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[Marko321]

I am not a flight Sim guy ,but I am going to purchase this module

because I have always liked the mig-21 and the latest video has really Wetted my appetite for it.

I have done a little research but it would be interesting to see what you flight Sim types think about the real world combat record of this magnificent Flying machine. And what planes currently modelled in DCS would make a Good match up For the mig.

 

Ps,

Flight Sims are cool,

But Armour Sims rule.

LoL

[Ktulu2]

Right now, I don't think any plane would be a good opponent, but alongside the mig-21 there's 2 planes that are also coming that xould do the job (F-86 and a HAWK). Even if a Sabre would be pretty weak, its better than fighting a P-51.

[lanmancz]

There is also F4 in DCS World but only available for some countries - Turkey, Germany for example.

[Alicatt]

I am not a flight Sim guy,

Ps,

Flight Sims are cool,

But Armour Sims rule.

LoL

A 21 to go with your 72?

Hope it is not too much of a beast ;)

:)

[diveplane]

There is also F4 in DCS World but only available for some countries - Turkey, Germany for example.

 

only basic flight model with the f-4 ,

 

also hoping to see a better ai model of this aircraft soon.

[Cobra847]

Good opponents currently available in DCS are for example the F-4 and F-5. MiG-21 vs MiG-21 scenarios also work well. Of course, a mixed environment with different aircraft types is also fine for many scenarios (i.e. SU-27 and F-15Cs with mixed flights of MiG-21, Su-25, etc.)

 

Energy fighting in a MiG-21 vs Sabre is very easy, considering the power differential between these two aircraft.

[PLAAF]

Would this MiG-21 have Advanced system model or just like those planes in FC3?

[Koriel]

Would this MiG-21 have Advanced system model or just like those planes in FC3?

 

When I have Question, I Google it. Or find other ways to find the answer myself. Asking easy questions like this here is just being very lazy.

[Esac_mirmidon]

And answering YES takes you half a second.

[uboats]

Would this MiG-21 have Advanced system model or just like those planes in FC3?

 

ASM

Edited August 20, 2014 by uboats

[cichlidfan]

Would this MiG-21 have Advanced system model or just like those planes in FC3?

 

EFM (actually PFM)

 

The question was about System modeling, not the flight model.

 

The answer is yes it will be ASM.

[uboats]

The question was about System modeling, not the flight model.

 

The answer is yes it will be ASM.

 

yes, my fault, didn't notice the 'system' :P

 

ASM, and I can say functions of nearly all switches/buttons/levels are implemented.

[PLAAF]

Thanks guys. Now I know. Can't wait. ;)

 

by the way what this EFM and PFM stands for? I know it is about flight model, but what's E and P??

[Robin_Hood]

My understanding:

 

External Flight Model - a third party flight model that hooks up into DCS

 

Professional Flight Model - a very high-quality Advanced Flight Model

 

Note that an EFM can be as simple or as advanced as the third party developper makes it, although most if not all of them aim for the same quality that Eagle Dynamics and Belsimtek do.

[SkateZilla]

Thanks guys. Now I know. Can't wait. ;)

 

by the way what this EFM and PFM stands for? I know it is about flight model, but what's E and P??

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801

 

The below is provided to explain the various fidelity levels of flight dynamics and cockpit systems modeling available in our various DCS aircraft simulation products. We provide this to you to help better understand what your are purchasing:

 

Standard Flight Model (SFM). This has not changed and defines a more data-driven means of achieving flight dynamics, in conjunction with some scripting. SFM was used in the Lock On series and is still used in the Flaming Cliffs 3 Su-33 and MiG-29. However, we do plan to update these at a later time.

Advanced Flight Model (AFM) and AFM+. An AFM uses multiple points of force application and calculation on the relevant flight surfaces. This simulates edge of envelope conditions well and avoids scripted behaviors as used in an SFM. This system also partially implements the aircraft's flight augmentation systems. DCS aircraft that use AFM includes the Su-25T. A further evolution of the AFM is what we term the AFM+ and this uses the same calculations as AFM but adds limited modeling of the hydraulic and fuel systems. Examples of AFM+ in DCS include the Su-25 and A-10A.

Professional Flight Model (PFM). This is generations beyond an AFM/AFM+ and is based upon:

 

• Use a wider array of wind tunnel tests CFD methods for aerodynamics parameters calculations.

• A higher level of aircraft construction details for forces calculations. For example: our landing gear model includes individual kinematics of retracting/extending is used to calculate its movement, servo-piston forces, etc. In such cases, we truly use real lengths, arms, etc. This also includes such items as a realistic simulation of airflow along the airframe due to the propeller or helicopter rotor thrust.

• Realistic simulation of Flight Control, CAS and Autopilot systems.

• Realistic simulation of Hydraulics, Fuel, Electrical, Engine and other systems influence flight characteristics.

• Unprecedented access to test data packs.

 

This is combined with much more detailed and accurate accounting of the physical forces on the aircraft and airfoils. DCS examples of the PFM include the A-10C, Ka-50, P-51D, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, F-15C and Su-27 (in development) for DCS Flaming Cliffs, and the Fw190-D9 (in development).

 

External Flight Model (EFM). Used by our partner developers, the EFM uses only a part of PFM - rigid body physics and contact model. What forces and moments are applied to this rigid body from aerodynamics and any other sources except the contact forces is up to EFM developer.

 

Standard Systems Modeling (SSM). A DCS module using SSM is characterized as including just the most essential cockpit systems and using keyboard and joystick commands only to interact with the cockpit. Examples of SSM in DCS include all of the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft.

Advanced Systems Modeling (ASM). An ASM enabled aircraft goes into great depth to model the intricacies of the various cockpit systems, to include functionality for almost all the buttons, switches, dials, etc. A key element of an ASM cockpit is the ability to interact with it using your mouse. ASM DCS examples include the A-10C, Ka-50, P-51D, UH-1H and Mi-8MTV2.

 

In the coming weeks, we will be updating our store pages to use these product definitions.