Kickstarter Physical Extras

[Boris]

I honestly don't care so much about my rewards as long as it gets made. I saw the kickstarter as a way to get something I wanted made, rather than as a way of aquiring a specific product and extras.

 

I think the rewards were waaaay too generous to begin with.

[Britchot]

I kicked in to the level of the printed manual and for whatever reason I expected it to be a recreation of a WWII manual. Since it's just a modern manual for the game, I wouldn't mind not having a physical copy. On September 12th, 2013 they updated the reward tiers to include a t-shirt at my level of backing, I was pleasantly surprised. However, if the money could better used elsewhere, I fully understand and I don't really need another t-shirt in my closet.

Edited June 10, 2014 by Britchot

[Mango]

Another point to consider is that printed manuals have permanent mistakes in them, while PDF's can be redistributed with corrections. I wonder if it would be practical to ship manuals only to the few who insist on getting them.

 

The reward give-aways were ridiculous. A fair and practical reward system should be based simply on the number of aircraft you get, the rest seems trivial. i.e.

 

Non backers - $50 / aircraft

$20 1 aircraft

$40 2 aircraft

$60 3 aircraft

$100 or more: all 6 aircraft

[NineLine]

Another point to consider is that printed manuals have permanent mistakes in them, while PDF's can be redistributed with corrections. I wonder if it would be practical to ship manuals only to the few who insist on getting them.

 

The reward give-aways were ridiculous. A fair and practical reward system should be based simply on the number of aircraft you get, the rest seems trivial. i.e.

 

Non backers - $50 / aircraft

$20 1 aircraft

$40 2 aircraft

$60 3 aircraft

$100 or more: all 6 aircraft

 

 

The wont change the distribution of the aircraft now.

[Aginor]

Now that I think about it...

I do feel a bit like I am ripping ED off. I pledged the minimum amount to get all aircraft (don't remember how much that was).

I guess I'd agree to just get one or two of them for that, and pay for the rest.

 

But I guess others would disagree.

So I guess what I'll do is: I'll buy all of them once they are released and gift them to family members who would otherwise just have bought one or two.

 

a bit of early access I wouldn't mind though...

[NineLine]

I think its 40 and you get a key for all six. But I dont think ED has any intention of changing this, its probably not what they would have chosen, but it is what it is.

[G00dnight]

I have just read all the way through this and the general opinion seems to be stuff the little things ie t-shirt, do printed manuals for those who insist and PDF's for the others, Give all entitled the planes they want and the map with beta access as alpha will be too problematical for ED.

I was going to get t-shirt, dcs p51 (got it), fw190, wwII all flyables, i think 3 manuals and the strat manual.

I will be happy with all flyables and pdf manuals, if nesc I will buy the fw190 for DCS.and beta access.

[NineLine]

I think PDF manuals are standard with all ED products anyways.

[Flagrum]

Now that I think about it...

I do feel a bit like I am ripping ED off. I pledged the minimum amount to get all aircraft (don't remember how much that was).

I guess I'd agree to just get one or two of them for that, and pay for the rest.

 

But I guess others would disagree.

So I guess what I'll do is: I'll buy all of them once they are released and gift them to family members who would otherwise just have bought one or two.

 

a bit of early access I wouldn't mind though...

Gift them to others - that is what ED will cost sales.

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not attacking you or your plans, but I have to agree to the statement that the backer rewards were given away way too easily. Certainly there are many people who want to use all of the planes they are entitled to. But there are also many who will not ... or rather would not if they would not have got them so cheaply.

 

I, for example, would probably try them all out, but I don't see me using them regulary (you probably know it by the time now - I am not the biggest WWII fan :o). I will be happy already if I get my hands on the german planes. Or just one Fw 190. Dunno. Yes, perhaps the WWII bug will bite me one day and I go head over heels into propeller aircrafts - but for that, rare chance, I won't need them now - I can always buy them on a sale later on.

 

So, what will I do with my serials? Let them either rot in my email inbox .. or give them to friends who ARE probably enjoying them much more than I would. That means, they will not actually BUY them.

 

How many of such potential lost sales for ED are there burried in the backer rewards? 2500 backers, about 2000 of them are entitled to receive all 6 flyables ... do the math! If only 10% were like me and would only need 1 out of 6 planes and give the remaining away to friends - that already would be 1000 potentially lost sales... 40000 - 50000 USD ... 1/3 of a Bf109 PFM ...

[Marmusman]

Just my 2 cents, since this is a thread to get the general community feel on the issues.

 

I pledged $100 because I believe in DCS, period.

 

I obviously wanted all the planes, but would also pay again for them....DCS should not be put into financial strain over this debacle.

 

I also wanted the printed manuals, but honesty...not a big deal. I printed the DCS A-10C manual via an online book printer and would do it again for these manuals, if needed.

 

Seeing a new map and theater of operation for these aircraft is very important to me.

 

I am curious about the proposed Map Making SDK. I had a hard time believing it was put on the table during the KickStarter...is DCS still going to back this? As a map maker, I will love it...but also see the flip side with DCS loosing income from future new maps. (though at their current pace with Nevada, they are not making any money anyway :music_whistling::music_whistling:)

[NineLine]

SDK is still to be answered, this is more about the physical rewards.

[rubblebeam]

If you can't beat them join them...

I would give up 2 of the 6 flyables, 262 doesn't interest me, I already purchased the p-51 before the kickstarter and all rewards just for the SDK, which would cost ED nothing really. Don't even want alpha/beta whatever

[NineLine]

If you can't beat them join them...

I would give up 2 of the 6 flyables, 262 doesn't interest me, I already purchased the p-51 before the kickstarter and all rewards just for the SDK, which would cost ED nothing really. Don't even want alpha/beta whatever

 

Digital rewards arent really an issue, its the physical ones that we are discussing.

Edited June 10, 2014 by NineLine

[rubblebeam]

Digital rewards arent really an issue, its the physical ones that we are discussing.

 

I did say 2 flyables and ALL REWARDS. of which I have 5.

[Marmusman]

SDK is still to be answered, this is more about the physical rewards.

 

Sorry about that.

[NineLine]

Sorry about that.

 

 

No worries... its been a crazy couple days for all of us. :)

[Raven68]

No worries... its been a crazy couple days for all of us. :)

 

 

Man hug for Sith... ;)

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My response is brief. Deliver DCS: WWII as soon and best as possible. The extras are not an issue for me.

[kazereal]

What are your guys thoughts on the extras that RRG offered. The T-shirts, Posters, printed manuals, strategy guide. Of course ED wants to make good on everything, but now they are left with not only the bulk of development, but also these undefined goodies.

 

Give me your honest thoughts on how you feel about these extras... no one will judge either way as when you backed for this or that, these rewards were probably part of your decision.

 

If comes to, I would rather see the extra cash used for module development instead of the physical stuff.

 

I admit, having flight manuals in bookshelf could be interesting but I would rather see it spent of actual module development. At least on my part of backing you have my full permission to use it on development entirely instead of physical goodies.

[Koriel]

When the KS started I couldn't find any package to suit my needs... ie, digital only.

 

When the paypal option appeared I opted for that, reduced my KS pledge to $1 and I think I paid $80 or $90 via the new method. So for me nothing changes.

 

My only concern is that I have paid for alpha access and I would still love to have that. I already have the DCS P-51 in my hangar, but perhaps I can make someone happy with that license.

[Random]

Physical goodies aren't important to me. Just the alpha access.

 

Don't get me wrong I'd still like to have a set of manuals but at the end of the day i'd rather they money be spent on development. I can always open the pdf manuals and hit print!

[westr]

I was really looking forward to a physical copy of a manual for my beloved spitfire. But I wouldn't give ED a hard time about it if they couldn't deliver the manuals getting the sim produced is the most important thing. Other items such as t-shirts etc don't interest me personally.

[Mango]

After 10 pages of discussion, maybe it's time for that poll. ;)

[NineLine]

After 10 pages of discussion, maybe it's time for that poll. ;)

 

This was all just getting a feel for what you guys thought. We need to wait on ED to see what they think, I dont want to put up a poll, then the options are completely different than ED can do, know what I mean?

[Wellenbrecher]

I mostly paid the money to get all the planes and to see the project succeed. Never cared about the physical stuff.

Not least of all because you'd have to ship it over half the globe, heh.

[hawk4base]

I don't need the tshirt or a printed manual , but i like to have the "alpha" early access to the Aircraft's and map . Even if i have to sign a NDA.