190D-9 is a beast!

gavagai · August 6, 2014

Had my first dogfight against the AI P-51. Firewalled the throttle and engaged MW50. It ran as long as I needed it without issues; much less finicky than the WEP in our Mustang. Sithspawn was correct that it will take about one day for people to learn the 190D-9 and be a tough challenge to the P-51. I'm looking forward to it!

:pilotfly:

Narushima · August 6, 2014

On note here, you can run MW-50+full throttle for 10minutes straight. I managed 11 1/2 minutes before my engine failed, and that was during a dogfight. I suppose you could run it longer if you go fast enough to cool the engine.

As for fighting the AI P-51, it stands no chance as long as you stick to pure energy fighting or if in a pinch flat scissors. I just kept looping above him and he simply didn't have the engine power to get a guns solution on me.

WinterH · August 6, 2014

Unlike my history with P-51 vs AI Fw-190, I was able to take the AI P-51 at my first time, even though I was the one to get peppered first by 3 .50 cal bullets. Full power + MW 50 vertical = wow this thing sure hangs on quite nicely :D

Due to my sloppy flying, I did enter 3 spins, as Fw-190 series are famous for being a bit prone to, but recovery wasn't much of a problem.

What surprised me most was trajectory of guns & cannons, wow those lose energy real fast! No wonder German aces almost universally said "close as much as possible". Oh, and, I am yet to figure out the sight, so I'm pretty much using it as a regular Revi, sure is different compared to K-14 :D

USARStarkey · August 6, 2014

what is max boost on 190 as modeled?

NineLine · August 6, 2014

On note here, you can run MW-50+full throttle for 10minutes straight. I managed 11 1/2 minutes before my engine failed, and that was during a dogfight. I suppose you could run it longer if you go fast enough to cool the engine.

As for fighting the AI P-51, it stands no chance as long as you stick to pure energy fighting or if in a pinch flat scissors. I just kept looping above him and he simply didn't have the engine power to get a guns solution on me.

Yes, remember 10 minutes is the recommended run time for the MW50... I think you could probably cheat it some... I have popped the engine under ten minutes pressing it too hard, so be aware :)

CaptJodan · August 6, 2014

Engine management as a whole just seems so much nicer in the Dora than in the P-51. I've never really been able to master P-51 engine management to my satisfaction without feeling like I was handling a very delicate instrument that required constant watching. Takeoff rolls on a summer day in the 51, even with everything open and cooling, still are a crap shoot on whether the engine will quit.

By comparison, the Dora, in my limited testing so far, is pretty forgiving. I've developed (no doubt bad) habits of manually opening everything for cooling in the P-51 to keep things running, and opening cowl flaps on the Dora all the way pretty much cools her nicely even on a hot day, enough to gain speed and fly without worries. Once at altitude, full throttle (non-MW-50) is no problem. The Bediengerät is a really nice feature in this aircraft as well, taking away some pilot workload.

I wasn't particularly looking forward to the Dora as much as other modules, but I haven't regretted a single purchase of a module and the Dora looks to be in the same vein. Gotta respect those German engineers, they build a good aircraft and the cockpit layout is fairly intuitive for the most part (couple of oddities, and the external fuel tank not drawing till below 240 liters on the aft tank...that's "interesting"). But I always learn something new, and that's half the fun.

Can't say how it will perform against the P-51 as I'm just joy flying (and learning taxi-takeoff landing) so far. But I can see how the P-51 may be hard pressed to defeat a well piloted Dora on first impressions.

outlawal2 · August 6, 2014

Nice summary of the Dora..

Thanks!

ericoh · August 6, 2014

Yes shes a beast, only thing that bothers me is the horrible takeoff fight to stay straight lol.

MA_Goblin · August 6, 2014

Hear you, feel like I'm on skates trying to go straight :D

kontiuka · August 6, 2014

Does the Fw-190 AI now have more realistic damage? I know all you guys are busy actually flying the Fw-190 so maybe you don't know.:joystick:

diveplane · August 6, 2014

Yes shes a beast, only thing that bothers me is the horrible takeoff fight to stay straight lol.

fw190 was easier to take off over the bf109 wide landing gear struts aids in good take off landings.

CaptJodan · August 6, 2014

fw190 was easier to take off over the bf109 wide landing gear struts aids in good take off landings.

Yeeeahhh. After both the P-51 and now the Dora, I dread trying to take off and land when the 109 comes out. That'll be....very interesting.

Narushima · August 6, 2014

Does the Fw-190 AI now have more realistic damage? I know all you guys are busy actually flying the Fw-190 so maybe you don't know.:joystick:

If it's anything like the P-51 AI, no.

Shot 18 20mm and 39 13mm into that bastard, and he was still ready to fight...

20 minutes into the fight my engine was steaming, while he was merrily flying around with white and black smoke trailing behind him.

NineLine · August 6, 2014

If it's anything like the P-51 AI, no.

Shot 18 20mm and 39 13mm into that bastard, and he was still ready to fight...
20 minutes into the fight my engine was steaming, while he was merrily flying around with white and black smoke trailing behind him.

Then you missed ;)

Narushima · August 6, 2014

Then you missed ;)

Those were confirmed hits (according to the post mission brief). I got him in a zoom climb just before he stalled.

NineLine · August 6, 2014

Those were confirmed hits (according to the post mission brief). I got him in a zoom climb just before he stalled.

Then you missed important stuff ;)

Edited August 6, 2014 by NineLine

Merlin-27 · August 6, 2014

The you missed important stuff ;)

+1

Narushima · August 6, 2014

Well I hit his engine. Black smoke and all. But the AI doesn't seem to be affected by engine damage at all.

Even if missed important stuff, 18 20mm rounds should make his airplane into Swiss cheese. Remember, an average of 5 20mm rounds were needed to down a ww2 fighter.

NineLine · August 6, 2014

Well I hit his engine. Black smoke and all. But the AI doesn't seem to be affected by engine damage at all.

Even if missed important stuff, 18 20mm rounds should make his airplane into Swiss cheese. Remember, an average of 5 20mm rounds were needed to down a ww2 fighter.

The AI uses a simple flight model, internal systems not modelled as I understand it. Hit box type damage, etc... besides.. never tell me the odds... ;)

I am sure there were many events of un-average combat stories during the war...

Narushima · August 6, 2014

So what should I aim for to take him down?

NineLine · August 6, 2014

I've had the best luck cutting wings off... a few tails here and there as well...

Narushima · August 6, 2014

Hmm, I'll try that then. A little rudder adjustment to my aim.

fjacobsen · August 6, 2014

Dot shoot when You are either to far away or too close.

Gun covergence plays a significant role on the P-51 with all the gunse rather far out on the wings.

I´m not sure about the convergence distance, but I guess it´s around 500 yards.

FinnJ

OutOnTheOP · August 6, 2014

Dot shoot when You are either to far away or too close.
Gun covergence plays a significant role on the P-51 with all the gunse rather far out on the wings.

I´m not sure about the convergence distance, but I guess it´s around 500 yards.

FinnJ

Closer to 300 meters in the Mustang. You're better off shooting a *little* on the far side than on the near side of that

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