Haswell-E anyone?

[Groove]

Anyone besides me planning to upgrade?

 

Will do the mid-range Haswell-E with 16 GB.

 

Im running a 780ti, so that should work well.

 

Opinions?

[Pilotasso]

The 5820K is good for 2 and 3 GFX cards, it appears there wont be a bottleneck with 8X PCIE lanes for 1080P.

 

Having said this, for DCS you might want to get the 4970K instead. it has 2 cores less, higher clock speeds and is not restricted in its PCIE and might be a better bet for 4K if you wish it (DCS is unlikely to get more than 4 threads anyway). It will be cheaper to build a system with too. You will not be stuck with expensive DDR4. Speaking of which it is plagued by compatibility issues right now.

 

Im considering the 5820K for star citizen though. But at the current pace of development Ill just probably get whatever successor comes for it. :D

 

EDIT: meaning I don't see a reason for the upgrade until both DCS 2.0+Nevada and Star citizen are developed further. The benefits of the architecture and the current state of these softwares parelelism capabilities are still not clear at this time. Core per core the improvements are mediocre. better wait or get a mainstream quad for now if your system is that old.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Pilotasso

[EtherealN]

I agree with Pilotasso - unless you're doing workloads that specifically will use all of those threads, you are better off (performance wise) in games with the cheaper regular Haswells.

[BitMaster]

I`d be slow with the new Chipset and DDR4.

 

There are many unsolved DDR4 problems and right now its like SDRAM133 times, will they work or will they not work in my combo ?!

 

The "big" Haswell-E has 40 PCI-Express lanes, made for Workstations or Gamers will a BIG wallet and a desire for tripple SLI or XFire. The 2 versions below the 8-Core are 6-Cores with afair 28 and 20 PCI-E Lanes in comparison to 16 of the current mainstream Haswell i7.

 

DDR4...I would wait for at least 2-3 month after the mainstream sales... tom's hardware page has a nice article about the Haswell-E and it's problems.

 

 

8-Cores..... and DCS with Edge again will only use 25% of it....aaahhhhhh

I watched BF4 last night on my friends PC... 7 cores at 4GHz doing 40-60% load, 1 core sleeping.

Just to remind ourselves what is possible and what is reality in DCS.

 

Bit

[chaos]

I'm going to hold off and wait for the Broadwell desktop-part. Should be here at the end of the year.... probably means Q1 2015.

 

Even if EDGE gets released in '2 weeks' time, I'll resist.

 

THEN, Q1 2015 with Broadwell and hopefully Rift CV1 released I'll be king of the virtual skies and you will all bow to me! Muuhahahahaaaaaa!

 

(...and I make due with a core2duo 2.5Ghz, 6GB and crappy graphics card at themoment. Heck, my Surface Pro Tablet is 5 times more powerful than my desktop...)

Edited September 2, 2014 by chaos

[HiJack]

Anyone besides me planning to upgrade?

 

Will do the mid-range Haswell-E with 16 GB.

 

Im running a 780ti, so that should work well.

 

Opinions?

Upgrade from what? If you are on AMD then I say yes go ahead! But if Intel I5 then wait and see what EDGE brings.

[fastfreddie]

Anyone besides me planning to upgrade?

 

Will do the mid-range Haswell-E with 16 GB.

 

Im running a 780ti, so that should work well.

 

Opinions?

 

I'm looking at the 5930K because I've got a Core 2 Duo with 4 gigs of Ram and its doesn't even run the current DCS modules very well or at all with all the AAA units. I saw one review that said the 5930k got 10fps better on BF4 than the 5820k on ultra hd settings so look around for other reviews if your thinking of 4k one day. I'll wait alittle bit longer for more reviews and products to come out before I pick a motherboard/ram/Gpu. Probably going to grab a 5930k at microcenter when I'm in Atlanta next week since they have them on a great deal.

[SkateZilla]

I'm not planning to invest in DDR4 until I see AMD's new Chips in a year or 2.

 

My system hauls at everything.

 

 

as for the Intel's new scheme..

 

I'm not happy with the PCIe Lane Stripping of the New Intel CPUs.

 

I use a lot of lanes for my video recording and editing cards.

 

So If I Run XFire'd GPUs at 8x/8x/8x,

That would leave me 4 lanes for:

HDMI Decoder (x1 or x4 Lane Modes, I use x4 for Full RGB Color Decoding),

Digital Cable Input (Uses x1, and prolly x4 if it could for 6 cable Card Tuners),

H.264 Hardware Compression Card (uses x4)

Studio MIDI/192KHz Audio Processor (Current system still uses PCI 32Bit)

 

Even if I account for PCIe2->3 Bandwidth,

HDMI Decoder 2x PCIe3

Digital Cable 1x PCIe3

H.264 Hardware Compression Card 2x PCIe3.

I'd have to Add Studio Sound Card as well, which would use x1.

 

So 6 PCIe 3 Lanes minimum for Expansion Cards.

 

Not gonna work.

[Pilotasso]

I'm looking at the 5930K because I've got a Core 2 Duo with 4 gigs of Ram and its doesn't even run the current DCS modules very well or at all with all the AAA units. I saw one review that said the 5930k got 10fps better on BF4 than the 5820k on ultra hd settings so look around for other reviews if your thinking of 4k one day. I'll wait alittle bit longer for more reviews and products to come out before I pick a motherboard/ram/Gpu. Probably going to grab a 5930k at microcenter when I'm in Atlanta next week since they have them on a great deal.

 

you wont get extra FPS with a 5930K than you would with a 4970K. Heck if its solely for DCS then a I5 4690K will give you the same performance (same scenario for other popular games).

 

It runs very well with my 2500K, you wont need spend a fortune on server chips to run this SIM.

[skouras]

Currently I will suggest the 4790k (there's no such thing as the 4970k)

[*Rage*]

Nothing of note if solely for DCS since the 2500k.

[fastfreddie]

Last time I did a system build I used the current gen tech instead of the i5/i7 and regretted it greatly a few years later when I tried to update things like Ram/processor. When I built my system it was the same old line of you'll never need more than 4gig of ram. 3 years later this ended up being very wrong and my ram usage is hitting 100% at times now while the pc is around 60-80% range. I'll be playing Star Citizen also which seems is going to incorporate as much new tech as possible and I do hope to get a 4k setup in a year or two. I understand that DCS may not require anything extra right now and we don't know what EDGE will do for us yet. For about an extra $500-600 hundred I can get an X99 setup that I will atleast be able to upgrade if needed in a few years.

[Groove]

Im running a i7-920 atm.

 

Thanks for your input so far. Being suspicious about the DDR4 i planned to wait the first three moths after release anyway.

[Pilotasso]

Last time I did a system build I used the current gen tech instead of the i5/i7 and regretted it greatly a few years later when I tried to update things like Ram/processor. When I built my system it was the same old line of you'll never need more than 4gig of ram. 3 years later this ended up being very wrong and my ram usage is hitting 100% at times now while the pc is around 60-80% range. I'll be playing Star Citizen also which seems is going to incorporate as much new tech as possible and I do hope to get a 4k setup in a year or two. I understand that DCS may not require anything extra right now and we don't know what EDGE will do for us yet. For about an extra $500-600 hundred I can get an X99 setup that I will atleast be able to upgrade if needed in a few years.

 

The Devs of star citizen have stated months ago that they will have 2 main threads each taking a core and 4 secondary ones that can fit on one or 2 other cores, but the increase of performance from a quad to exa would be much lower than dual to quad. They said things may change but that would require a total rewrite of the code.

 

There are quite a few early adopters in the forums so we will have a measure of the difference between the number of cores in the coming months/year.

[Pilotasso]

Im running a i7-920 atm.

 

Thanks for your input so far. Being suspicious about the DDR4 i planned to wait the first three moths after release anyway.

 

Yes, you will see a jump if you go for any modern CPU (any of the last 3 generation will do), not double the FPS but should be noticeable. Don't forget an SSD if you already don't have one. An HDD castrates a modern system to an unacceptable level.

[SkateZilla]

For Strictly Gaming, there's no need to go above 4 Full Time Cores.

 

6-8 Cores would only benefit Video Editing and Content Creation users using Suites that run multiple threads along with secondary applications. (and then there's server parts :) )

 

The main bottle neck in most modern systems is Harddisk Read/Write Speed.

 

Even with me Running RAID-0+1 the SSDs simply spank me in raw speed and responsiveness.

 

My Next System will be DDR4 likely 64GB of Ram w/ 1TB SSD Mirrored to a traditional drive or if SSDs drop in price to another SSD.

 

Load the Temp Folders Page Files and Scratch folders for Video and Image Editing etc into a Ram Disk, along with DCS :)

 

My system has the legs to carry on until DDR4 is mainstream in both AMD and Intel and SSDs come down in price.

 

 

If you want to build a System to bridge the gap between now and DDR4,

The SandyBridge/Ivybridge platform is still very much capable of handling everything the next few years can offer.

 

I wouldn't jump on the HW-E / DDR4 Wagon yet, there's ALWAYS issues with 1st Gen Hardware and Steppings.

 

I fore see It being a weekly Bios Flashing Nightmare for the first generation main boards thay support DDR4,

Edited September 3, 2014 by SkateZilla

[Pilotasso]

X99 boards on fire...literally.

 

 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

 

Beware of your wallets until this is cleared.

[skouras]

X99 boards on fire...literally.

 

 

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=msi_x99_fail&num=1

http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-x99-motherboard-goes-up-in-smoke-for-reasons-unknown_150008

 

Beware of your wallets until this is cleared.

wow

it seems to be many...

thanks for the heads up buddy!!!

[Hadwell]

If you have a Sandy 2500k or better, it's not worth upgrading to haswell-E for gaming, 6 and 8 cores is awesome for realtime video editing and non-realtime cpu based rendering, but each individual core isn't as good as say a 4790k, and DCS isn't too multithreaded, so having a faster single core is better.

 

DDR4 memory is way more expensive than its worth for the little power saving and the fact you can get DDR3 memory for much less and nearly the same speed.

 

wait for the 14nm chips, hopefully next year :D

[Igor4U]

Concur with Hadwell,

 

DDR4 won't make a performance impact until its speeds exceed DDR3 by a good 30-40%.

Even though DDR4 will (initially) have higher clock speeds, its increased Latencies will still just put it on a par with DDR3. Maybe a year from now DDR4 will start to show pay-off.

 

But that's great timing for Intel Skylake (CPU) Architecture due out last half of 2015.

Skylake should also take advantage of PCIe 4 and SATA Express (SATAe) SSD Interface.