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[Destroyer37]

I guess we will just have to wait and find out.

[cichlidfan]

I guess we will just have to wait and find out.

 

What a novel idea. :)

[NineLine]

What a novel idea. :)

 

So crazy it might... just... work :)

[BlackLion213]

What a novel idea. :)

 

Around here it is quite novel...

 

You can see that I'm not a practioner of the approach. :music_whistling:

 

With all of the talk about what modules "could be released", it's worth noting that a lot of Developers are exploring and developing novel features for their DCS modules (like Jester AI for multi-crew) that will really expand the variety of "do-able" modules for the next several years. It seems that DCS is really focused on creating the solid foundation it needs for future growth. If these big, ongoing projects (DCS2.0, new maps, Tomcat module, Hornet module, carrier ops) get released and refined; it will open the door for a much broader array of modules that could include the Tornado and F-15E (but do we need that if the F-14B gets LANTIRN ;)). Working in this uncharted territory also means longer development time. As the 3rd parties get used to working in the DCS environment and gain experience, development time and predictability will likely shorten. Meaning all of us will be less stir-crazy! Well...some of us will, I hope.

 

-Nick

Edited September 10, 2015 by BlackLion213

[Stratos]

If it's a Corsair I hope is a Korean war variant, will be nice to add to our Korean pack together with the Muranth and the two Belsimtek jets.

[PONTIAC]

Maybe one of the aeroplanes will be russian for opposition of f-14, early version of mig-25 or mig-23 i think.

Although the russian planes are very ugly and i don't like them at all except mig 21 and 29.Is there any chance for the second one to be f-4 phantom :unsure:

[kolga]

So crazy it just... might... work :)

 

Fixed it for ya ;)

[Evilducky]

Im happy that they are doing the F14, but I really hope that they stick to the Russian jet front. We really need some good DCS level Russian jets.

[Chrinik]

Leatherneck is by far the most interesting 3rd Party Dev on DCS, I love their MiG-21 module and only have high expectations for the F-14.

 

Whatever module they choose to make, if they make it well, people will buy it.

 

The DCS crowd is currently not spoiled for choice and will suck up anything it can get their hands on...I have a couple modules I never tried before. Even the Mig-21 was lying around for a month or so before I got around to try it and fell in love with it.

 

Altho, if I have to inject my own opinion, I´d love them to expand the 70ies/80ies era of soviet/US Combat Aviation.

 

MiG-23/27 for a BVR capable Swingwing Fighter/Bomber.

A-7 Corsair because Napalm and bombing stuff is fun.

Su-17M4 fully realised, early swingwing concept with loads of Ground Attack capability.

MiG-25 the fastest Fighter ever build and unique in it´s role.

F-104 Starfighter as an early opponent for the MiG-21.

F4-Phantom as a later opponent for the MiG-21.

Later non-soviet upgrades for the MiG-21 (Lancer, 93-Bison, 2000) to show the modern fighter jocks what this thing is really capable off XD

(Imagine a MiG-21 chasing down an F-15C with some R-77s...oooooh the rage.)

 

These are all things I´d like to see. Maybe I´d get suprised.

 

And apart from the MiG-15/Sabre Combo, we lack dedicated "Oposing" Modules...An advancement in this area would be welcome.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Chrinik

[Chrinik]

Leatherneck is by far the most interesting 3rd Party Dev on DCS, I love their MiG-21 module and only have high expectations for the F-14.

 

Whatever module they choose to make, if they make it well, people will buy it.

 

The DCS crowd is currently not spoiled for choice and will suck up anything it can get their hands on...I have a couple modules I never tried before. Even the Mig-21 was lying around for a month or so before I got around to try it and fell in love with it.

 

Altho, if I have to inject my own opinion, I´d love them to expand the 70ies/80ies era of soviet/US Combat Aviation.

 

MiG-23/27 for a BVR capable Swingwing Fighter/Bomber.

A-7 Corsair because Napalm and bombing stuff is fun.

Su-17M4 fully realised, early swingwing concept with loads of Ground Attack capability.

MiG-25 the fastest Fighter ever build and unique in it´s role.

F-104 Starfighter as an early opponent for the MiG-21.

F4-Phantom as a later opponent for the MiG-21.

 

These are all things I´d like to see. Maybe I´d get suprised.

 

And apart from the MiG-15/Sabre Combo, we lack dedicated "Oposing" Modules...An advancement in this area would be welcome.

[OnlyforDCS]

Later non-soviet upgrades for the MiG-21 (Lancer, 93-Bison, 2000) to show the modern fighter jocks what this thing is really capable off XD

(Imagine a MiG-21 chasing down an F-15C with some R-77s...oooooh the rage.)

 

 

I would pay really serious money for a modernized Mig21 :thumbup:

[QuiGon]

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Altho, if I have to inject my own opinion, I´d love them to expand the 70ies/80ies era of soviet/european/US Combat Aviation.

 

MiG-23/27 for a BVR capable Swingwing Fighter/Bomber.

A-7 Corsair because Napalm and bombing stuff is fun.

Su-17M4 fully realised, early swingwing concept with loads of Ground Attack capability.

MiG-25 the fastest Fighter ever build and unique in it´s role.

F-104 Starfighter as an early opponent for the MiG-21.

F4-Phantom as a later opponent for the MiG-21.

Later non-soviet upgrades for the MiG-21 (Lancer, 93-Bison, 2000) to show the modern fighter jocks what this thing is really capable off XD

(Imagine a MiG-21 chasing down an F-15C with some R-77s...oooooh the rage.)

Panavia Tornado for high speed NOE flying to conduct deep strike and interdiction missions behind enemy lines

 

These are all things I´d like to see. Maybe I´d get suprised.

 

And apart from the MiG-15/Sabre Combo, we lack dedicated "Oposing" Modules...An advancement in this area would be welcome.

 

Fixed that for you ;)

 

I can't say that often enough:

Give the europeans some love pls!

You can't have a complete Cold War combat aviation set without the Tornado, not even close!

And that's just one example.

Edited September 11, 2015 by QuiGon

[Sporg]

As I discussed with a friend, I would love if their "part of a larger project" would be Northern Europe / Scandinavia in the Cold War era.

There are so many possibilities in this scenario, aircraft-wise, scenery, scenarios.

 

The countries around the Baltic Sea were a big part of the front between Western Europe/NATO and the Warsaw Pact countries.

At the same time, due to being small countries, they sported a wide variety of airplane types.

 

Denmark alone had F-86 Sabre, F-100 Super Sabre, F-104, F-16s, Alouette, Sikorsky S-61, Westland Lynx. Even DC-3 and Hercules.

Sweden had a lot of self developed and foreign aircraft: Hawker Hunter, Saab Lansen, Draken, Viggen, Bell 204 Iroquois, Boeing Vertol CH-46, BO-105.

 

On the other side of the sea there were the Baltic countries and Poland with a lot of different aircraft types, East and West Germany, and in the background of course the Soviet Union itself. :)

 

Since the Baltic Sea was the only direct exit for the Soviet navy to the Atlantic, the area was of big strategic interest for both sides, and a lot of confrontations took place here, with lots of Warsaw Pact aircraft sent out to test the Western defenses and Western aircraft sent up to intercept.

 

Big naval exercises attended by both sides, and Soviet submarines hunted and detected along the Swedish coasts.

 

All happening in a geographically small area, with lots of different landscape features: All from sea stretches, islands, coast lines, forests, bigger cities, mountain areas, farm land.

 

Sweden had underground air bases, and road stretches prepared for aircraft use, Eastern Europe no doubt had similar installations.

Radar and radio listening posts, naval sensor grids etc. etc.

 

In my opinion, this could be a very interesting and exciting area to exploit, and with lots of possibilities for both real and fictitious scenarios. :)

 

Like someone said, the area around Gotland could be a candidate, but as you can see, there are lots to choose from:

 

[QuiGon]

I totally agree: That's indeed an interesting theatre.

 

For a momemt I wasn't sure if it's still Cold War:

Since the Baltic Sea was the only direct exit for the Soviet navy to the Atlantic, the area was of big strategic interest for both sides, and a lot of confrontations took place here, with lots of Warsaw Pact aircraft sent out to test the Western defenses and Western aircraft sent up to intercept.

Big naval exercises attended by both sides, and Soviet submarines hunted and detected along the Swedish coasts.

Still the case today or should I say again :(

[BravoYankee4]

Also keep in mind that there where some real incidents with Swedish aircrafts (DC-3 and Catalina) being shot down in that specific region by Russian MIG-15's during the cold war.

 

So if you are a Russian pilot it would make sense to have a DC-3 or Catalina module in DCS...:cry:

[Sporg]

Also keep in mind that there where some real incidents with Swedish aircrafts (DC-3 and Catalina) being shot down in that specific region by Russian MIG-15's during the cold war.

 

So if you are a Russian pilot it would make sense to have a DC-3 or Catalina module in DCS...:cry:

 

They really shot some Swedish aircraft down?

I wasn't aware of that..

 

However, I am aware that a Danish frigate blew up a summerhouse.. :D

[BravoYankee4]

They really shot some Swedish aircraft down?

I wasn't aware of that..

 

Yes, a DC-3 surveillance aircraft (or spy plane if you like) was shot down over the Baltic sea at 1952. There was a lot of secrets regarding this, since the mission was to gather data about new Russian radars and so on. Not appreciated by the people in east...

It just disappeared and no one really knew what happened. The full story was revealed just a few years ago and the aircraft is now found and salvaged (and put in to a museum).

During the search for the crew of the DC-3 a Catalina was shot at and had to crash land in the water. However that crew survived.

 

Some more information here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalina_affair

[Dudikoff]

Since the Baltic Sea was the only direct exit for the Soviet navy to the Atlantic,

 

Say what again? The Baltic Fleet could be easily blocked from exiting to Atlantic having to pass through all those straits, hence why it wasn't envisaged as an ocean-going navy. The Northern Fleet on the other hand was.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Dudikoff

[Sporg]

Say what again? The Baltic Fleet could be easily blocked from exiting to Atlantic having to pass through all those straits, hence why it wasn't envisaged as an ocean-going navy. The Northern Fleet on the other hand was.

 

You're right.

Should have written Northern Fleet or Baltic Fleet. :)

 

Anyway, those straits was exactly the problem for them, which is why it was considered extremely likely, in case of a major conflict, that Soviet would try to take at least Denmark and Southern Sweden in order to ensure free passage.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Sporg

[Dudikoff]

Anyway, those straits was exactly the problem for them, which is why it was considered extremely likely, in case of a major conflict, that Soviet would try to take at least Denmark and Southern Sweden in order to ensure free passage.

 

What for? Since it wasn't an ocean going navy (as it would be almost impossible for them to break through and there was no need for that since they had Northern Fleet for that), they didn't have any major fleet units there (i.e. the units in the fleet were not bigger than a destroyer and there was no nuclear subs IIRC).

 

EDIT: Correction, they had some old cruisers it seems: "Western intelligence in 1992 credited the Baltic Fleet with 85,000 men, 20 submarines, 3 cruisers, 5 destroyers, 29 frigates, many other craft and amphibious units.", one of which seems to have been the old Kynda class, and the other two then could be Kresta I or II or Kara class (these latter classes were IIRC primarily anti-submarine ships). Still, their mission would have probably been anti-submarine operations plus support of amphibious landings, etc.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Dudikoff

[Skjold]

What for? Since it wasn't an ocean going navy (as it would be almost impossible for them to break through and there was no need for that since they had Northern Fleet for that), they didn't have any major fleet units there (i.e. the units in the fleet were not bigger than a destroyer and there was no nuclear subs IIRC).

 

Well, the most likely reason to attack Denmark and Sweden is to deny the opposition to the strait, not themselves to use it. Securing their northern flank for a ground offensive in Germany was also quite important.

 

You are absolutly right however, the Soviet Baltic Fleet is just that.. a Baltic fleet.

 

Thread is completly off topic, so i'm gonna guess that the next plane is a SAAB 210 "Lill Draken" (Little Dragon)

 

 

And no, i'm not serious.

[MBot]

What for? Since it wasn't an ocean going navy (as it would be almost impossible for them to break through and there was no need for that since they had Northern Fleet for that), they didn't have any major fleet units there (i.e. the units in the fleet were not bigger than a destroyer and there was no nuclear subs IIRC).

 

Sporg is right that the WP would have launched major naval landing and airborne operations in order to secure the Danish Straits during war. The bulk of the Polish army was earmarked for this, as well as probably a Soviet airborne division and other formations. While the Baltic Fleet itself was rather small, the Baltic shipyards constituted a significant amount of the Soviet shibbuilding and repair capabilities (the Kirov for example was built in Leningrad). In a longer war, open access to these facilities would have been of high importance to any naval campaign.

[Sporg]

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Thread is completly off topic, so i'm gonna guess that the next plane is a SAAB 210 "Lill Draken" (Little Dragon)

 

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And no, i'm not serious.

 

Sorry for the diversion.

 

I just wanted to say, a Scandinavian/Northern Europe theater would be absolutely exciting.

 

And would make sense also, both with regards to future potential, and in case they prepare to release the Viggen. ;)

 

:)

 

PS: Li'l Draken is cute. :)

[Dudikoff]

Sporg is right that the WP would have launched major naval landing and airborne operations in order to secure the Danish Straits during war. The bulk of the Polish army was earmarked for this, as well as probably a Soviet airborne division and other formations. While the Baltic Fleet itself was rather small, the Baltic shipyards constituted a significant amount of the Soviet shibbuilding and repair capabilities (the Kirov for example was built in Leningrad). In a longer war, open access to these facilities would have been of high importance to any naval campaign.

 

I know some major ships were built in the Baltic shipyards, but I don't see the point of capturing the straights separately from a major invasion of Europe and Scandinavia except for blocking purposes. Getting those ships through those straight with the the NATO airbases e.g. in Germany operational seems suicidal and apart from some major repairs or refits, there would be no need to transit them.

 

Edit: Actually, ex-Kalinin is undergoing refit in Sevmash on the White Sea, so I don't see the need for transiting those straights at any case, but for peacetime transfer to their respective fleets after the ships were completed.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Dudikoff

[Flycat]

I don't know the progress of this discussion, but after we have such many pfm level's module, why you guys still expect a module only have sfm for alpha now and afm for far away future, yes, I means that mirage.

It just like someone buy a new high performance computer and ask others which system os should he install, the answer is windows 2000 is good as windowsXP.

Why we have windows 7 even windows X for now and still use those old fashion one to play game?

However I don't really know the FM level of our great Mig, it's only written efm(?).