Which block of A?

[ff4life4]

Just curious if Leatherneck knows what block they plan on doing for the A model. There are some very interesting minor differences between different A blocks. One thing I can remember was that the later blocks were fitted with an ARI (aileron rudder interconnect) which compensated for adverse yaw tendencies by automatically applying rudder With aileron. The early A's had no such system and thus nose control especially on final was very difficult.. I think it was described as "trying to heard elepants"

[captain_dalan]

Just curious if Leatherneck knows what block they plan on doing for the A model. There are some very interesting minor differences between different A blocks. One thing I can remember was that the later blocks were fitted with an ARI (aileron rudder interconnect) which compensated for adverse yaw tendencies by automatically applying rudder With aileron. The early A's had no such system and thus nose control especially on final was very difficult.. I think it was described as "trying to heard elepants"

Rolling with side stick input was also a no-no, as it would result in either no roll on complete control reversal. I think that rolling in the early tomcats was a rudder induced affair.

[Cobra847]

Later block. E.g. disabled canards (probably), revised gunports, etc.

[MBot]

disabled canards (probably)

 

Awww :)

[Cobra847]

Awww :)

 

Never say never. It's not a big deal for us to provide as an option visually, but it primarily influences the FM. Will be evaluated.

[Belgeode]

Yeah definitely later model. I asked on facebook the day the announcement was made if we would have the canards on the A model, and the response I got from LNS was that the canards would not be modeled. It is assumed they are welded shut.

[SkateZilla]

Once the DFCS was implemented there was no need for them.

[turkeydriver]

What block standard was the most common block fleetwide in say 1992? I'd go with that one. Unless the intent is to have more difference between the F-14A and A+ than the engines, I was thinking they would be as close to each other as possible just to ease development.

[turkeydriver]

Yeah definitely later model. I asked on facebook the day the announcement was made if we would have the canards on the A model, and the response I got from LNS was that the canards would not be modeled. It is assumed they are welded shut.

 

That's unfortunate, glove vanes were operationally up unit what? 1984-85? There's a video on youtube with Dale flying an F-14A using glove vanes manually to get a tighter turn with swept wings at low level- I had never seen that before.

[captain_dalan]

Once the DFCS was implemented there was no need for them.

I'm not sure if these overlapped. The glove vanes were actually disabled because at the time it seamed like the Cat spent nowhere near as much time in the part of the envelope where their effects were most pronounced.

[Demongornot]

Canards disabled !!! Noooooooooooooooooooo !!!

I want them :'(

 

More seriously, i think it can be nice to have a pure tomcat, the A on its early variant, and the B in his last variant (the Bombcat apparently is what is planned for the A+/B) !

I think it will be better to offer a larger difference between the two beast and almost feel like we switch from the A10A to the A10C !

[T_A]

Can someone put a photo to show these canards? google isnt helping much

[dekiplav]

Can someone put a photo to show these canards? google isnt helping much

 

 

 

[Demongornot]

Haha google never help, he have become so dump, and since people now type sentences rather than keyword (thanks to all new way too much simplified devices such as smartphone and people that don't understand computer and use it) the google search system don't work anymore...

 

But you will find more luck if you look for "F-14 glove vanes" which is the real name of those canards !

 

This :

 

And here in front of the sidewinder missiles :

 

Edit : Congrats dekiplav you beat me :lol:

Edited March 9, 2015 by Demongornot

[dekiplav]

 

The same picture :thumbup:

[T_A]

Thanks , i found some of those photos already but wasn't sure it was the same thing discussed here since i did not recall ever seeing a F-14 with those deployed (on TV, photos etc...)

[Pepec9124]

So, If you are not going to model them then don't put more triangles into mesh. There's no point, like with A-10C Pave Penny. There will be less confusion.

[Dudikoff]

I'm not sure if these overlapped. The glove vanes were actually disabled because at the time it seamed like the Cat spent nowhere near as much time in the part of the envelope where their effects were most pronounced.

 

Yeah, the DFCS was a late upgrade (like from 1999), while those glove vanes were shut off in late 80s due to maintenance costs and what you've said.

[Winfield_Gold]

EDIT: Question answered

Edited March 9, 2015 by Winfield_Gold

[Demongornot]

What block was this? Maybe it can modeled for multiplayer. Anyone know the story behind this version? I thought 3 was a crowd

 

The story is short :

It is a fake :D

[NRG-Vampire]

Canards disabled !!! Noooooooooooooooooooo !!!

I want them :'(

 

yes, i agree, we need those sexy glove vanes

 

Edited March 9, 2015 by NRG-Vampire

[Greekbull]

Honestly never liked the glove vanes. Just model it correct to the block your doing and don't waste time with the glove vanes. We'll all be happier with a F-14 to fly sooner!

[Manuel_108]

I think the jet looks less cluttered and more streamlined without these glove vanes.

[SUBS17]

Later block. E.g. disabled canards (probably), revised gunports, etc.

 

Come on I like the canards lol it looked cool.:thumbup:

All blocks of the A had them its just they welded them shut from what I heard.

[SkateZilla]

The glove vanes were disabled for a lot more reasons than just maintenance.

they had an issue with causing turbulent airflow into the engine intake in certain situations. and we all know what that leads up to.

 

they were designed to provide additional supersonic lift in front of the air frame's center of gravity to counter the supersonic nose down pitch.,

also allowed mach 1.8-2.0+ 7G Maneuvers... but the trade off was the maintenance on the systems, weight and turbulent air into the jet intake in certain situations, as well as a air frame bleed.

Edited March 9, 2015 by SkateZilla