DCS: F-5E!

[mattebubben]

It's funny US Fighter jet Russian manual is ready, but keep going nice f5

 

Its not a Manual for the F-5E aircraft.

 

Its the Belsimtek Manual for the DCS F-5E.

 

And since Belimstek is a Company From Belarus They Speak Russian.

 

So the first Manual Drafts were most likely in Russian.

 

Since a DCS Manual is made to teach ppl how to operate the aircraft in DCS.

 

And not To Operate the aircraft in real life.

[TomCatMucDe]

It's funny US Fighter jet Russian manual is ready, but keep going nice f5

 

since there are no American 3rd party devs they had to go on with the F5, or do you want to see only Russian birds? I wouldnt mind it :D

[MAD-MM]

@mattebubben I know it is for DCS manual, but former they have something original from a F5 to make a DCS Manual.

Don't think the US operator was so friendly to give Russia a fully translated Cyrillic operation Handbook for the F-5 :)

Possible the south Vietnamese send this with the operational F-5

 

@TomCat I think it would be starting a little bit boring when we drive the US out of the way with only MIG's in game.

[TIGER]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYOjzZnmEuQ&nohtml5=False[/ame]

 

General characteristics

 

Crew: 1

Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)

Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)

Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m)

Wing area: 186 ft² (17.28 m²)

Airfoil: NACA 65A004.8 root, NACA 64A004.8 tip

Empty weight: 9,558 lb (4,349 kg)

Loaded weight: 15,745 lb (7,157 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 24,722 lb (11,214 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-21B turbojet

Dry thrust: 3,500 lbf (15.5 kN) each

Thrust with afterburner: 5,000 lbf (22.2 kN) each

Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0200

Drag area: 3.4 ft² (0.32 m²)

Aspect ratio: 3.82

Internal fuel: 677 U.S. gal (2,563 L)

External fuel: 275 U.S. gal (1,040 L) per tank in up to 3 tanks

Performance

 

Maximum speed: 917 kn (Mach 1.6, 1,060 mph, 1,700 km/h) ; at altitude

Range: 760 nmi (870 mi, 1,405 km)

Ferry range: 2,010 nmi (2,310 mi, 3,700 km[157])

Service ceiling: 51,800 ft (15,800 m)

Rate of climb: 34,400 ft/min (175 m/s)

Lift-to-drag ratio: 10.0

Armament

 

Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) M39A2 Revolver cannons in the nose, 280 rounds/gun

 

Hardpoints: 7 total (only pylon stations 3, 4 and 5 are wet-plumbed): 2× wing-tip AAM launch rails, 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:

 

Rockets:

2× LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19× /7× Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively); or

2× LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19× CRV7 70 mm rockets); or

2× LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4× Zuni 127 mm rockets); or

2× Matra rocket pods (each with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets)

 

Missiles:

4× AIM-9 Sidewinders or 4× AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile

2× AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface missiles

AA-8 Aphid, AA-10 Alamo, AA-11 Archer and other Russian/Chinese AAMs (Iranian ver.)

Bombs: A variety of air-to-ground ordnance such as the Mark 80 series of unguided bombs (including 3 kg and 14 kg practice bombs), CBU-24/49/52/58 cluster bomb munitions, napalm bomb canisters and M129 Leaflet bomb, and laser-guided bombs of Paveway family.

 

Other:

up to 3× 150/275 U.S. gallon Sargent Fletcher drop tanks for ferry flight or extended range/loitering time.

2× GPU-5/A 30mm cannon pods (fitted only on Thai F-5s)

 

Avionics

Emerson Electric AN/APQ-153 radar on early batch of F-5E

Emerson Electric AN/APQ-159 radar on later production F-5E

AN/AVQ-27 Laser Target Designator Set (LTDS), for F-5B and F-5F only.

 

Does the DCS F-5E will have all these?

[mattebubben]

@mattebubben I know it is for DCS manual, but former they have something original from a F5 to make a DCS Manual.

Don't think the US operator was so friendly to give Russia a fully translated Cyrillic operation Handbook for the F-5 :)

Possible the south Vietnamese send this with the operational F-5

 

@TomCat I think it would be starting a little bit boring when we drive the US out of the way with only MIG's in game.

 

Well it was the North Vietnamese who sent Russia A F-5E.

 

And it came with Manuals in english.

 

But the DCS Manual is made mostly from scratch (while using much of the same info as the real aircraft manual)

 

So when they made the DCS Manual they most likely Wrote it in Russian because that is their mother tounge.

 

While they got alot of the info from the Manuals in english.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYOjzZnmEuQ&nohtml5=False

 

General characteristics

 

Crew: 1

Length: 47 ft 4¾ in (14.45 m)

Wingspan: 26 ft 8 in (8.13 m)

Height: 13 ft 4½ in (4.08 m)

Wing area: 186 ft² (17.28 m²)

Airfoil: NACA 65A004.8 root, NACA 64A004.8 tip

Empty weight: 9,558 lb (4,349 kg)

Loaded weight: 15,745 lb (7,157 kg)

Max. takeoff weight: 24,722 lb (11,214 kg)

Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J85-GE-21B turbojet

Dry thrust: 3,500 lbf (15.5 kN) each

Thrust with afterburner: 5,000 lbf (22.2 kN) each

Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0200

Drag area: 3.4 ft² (0.32 m²)

Aspect ratio: 3.82

Internal fuel: 677 U.S. gal (2,563 L)

External fuel: 275 U.S. gal (1,040 L) per tank in up to 3 tanks

Performance

 

Maximum speed: 917 kn (Mach 1.6, 1,060 mph, 1,700 km/h) ; at altitude

Range: 760 nmi (870 mi, 1,405 km)

Ferry range: 2,010 nmi (2,310 mi, 3,700 km[157])

Service ceiling: 51,800 ft (15,800 m)

Rate of climb: 34,400 ft/min (175 m/s)

Lift-to-drag ratio: 10.0

Armament

 

Guns: 2× 20 mm (0.787 in) M39A2 Revolver cannons in the nose, 280 rounds/gun

 

Hardpoints: 7 total (only pylon stations 3, 4 and 5 are wet-plumbed): 2× wing-tip AAM launch rails, 4× under-wing & 1× under-fuselage pylon stations with a capacity of 7,000 pounds (3,200 kg) and provisions to carry combinations of:

 

Rockets:

2× LAU-61/LAU-68 rocket pods (each with 19× /7× Hydra 70 mm rockets, respectively); or

2× LAU-5003 rocket pods (each with 19× CRV7 70 mm rockets); or

2× LAU-10 rocket pods (each with 4× Zuni 127 mm rockets); or

2× Matra rocket pods (each with 18× SNEB 68 mm rockets)

 

Missiles:

4× AIM-9 Sidewinders or 4× AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile

2× AGM-65 Maverick air-to-surface missiles

AA-8 Aphid, AA-10 Alamo, AA-11 Archer and other Russian/Chinese AAMs (Iranian ver.)

Bombs: A variety of air-to-ground ordnance such as the Mark 80 series of unguided bombs (including 3 kg and 14 kg practice bombs), CBU-24/49/52/58 cluster bomb munitions, napalm bomb canisters and M129 Leaflet bomb, and laser-guided bombs of Paveway family.

 

Other:

up to 3× 150/275 U.S. gallon Sargent Fletcher drop tanks for ferry flight or extended range/loitering time.

2× GPU-5/A 30mm cannon pods (fitted only on Thai F-5s)

 

Avionics

Emerson Electric AN/APQ-153 radar on early batch of F-5E

Emerson Electric AN/APQ-159 radar on later production F-5E

AN/AVQ-27 Laser Target Designator Set (LTDS), for F-5B and F-5F only.

 

Does the DCS F-5E will have all these?

 

Thats a Summary of what all the different F-5E variants can carry.

 

There is no variant that can use all of that or even most of it.

 

We get a Single unupgraded variant.

a F-5E-3 Factory standard.

 

So most of the armament is not true for the module we are getting.

 

We will have 2 Aim-9 Pylons.

 

And the rest will be for Air-ground ordnance or external tanks(3 of the pylons can carry External fuel tanks).

 

It uses the APQ-159 radar.

 

And can not use any guided air-ground weapons.

 

Only Dumb bombs and rockets (and most likely GBUs but those will require buddy lazing or Jtac)

Edited April 8, 2016 by mattebubben

[TIGER]

Late Variants of F-5E can fire AGM's. It will be pity to have an F-5E in A edition :(

 

the following links are from research i made. :)

 

But Really I am waiting about a Late Edition of F-5E. Is one of my favorite aircraft.

 

http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Northrop/F-5E-Tiger-II/

 

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f5/f5_05.jpg

 

http://afbase.com/files/attach/images/244071/958/291/maverickchina.jpg

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e8bta3lMH48/UgQ_uGDaTrI/AAAAAAAAJBI/hRxCzJQFHdk/s1600/Chile+F-5E+Tigre+III.jpg

 

http://jn.passieux.free.fr/images/F5_3.jpg

 

http://www.tigercenturyaircraft.com/upgrade-kits/aim-9lm-missile-kits

[mattebubben]

Late Variants of F-5E can fire AGM's. It will be pity to have an F-5E in A edition :(

 

the following links are from research i made. :)

 

But Really I am waiting about a Late Edition of F-5E. Is one of my favorite aircraft.

 

http://www.combataircraft.com/en/Military-Aircraft/Northrop/F-5E-Tiger-II/

 

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f5/f5_05.jpg

 

http://afbase.com/files/attach/images/244071/958/291/maverickchina.jpg

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-e8bta3lMH48/UgQ_uGDaTrI/AAAAAAAAJBI/hRxCzJQFHdk/s1600/Chile+F-5E+Tigre+III.jpg

 

http://jn.passieux.free.fr/images/F5_3.jpg

 

http://www.tigercenturyaircraft.com/upgrade-kits/aim-9lm-missile-kits

 

With Late edition do you mean upgrades ones?

 

There were factory standard Variants with the AGM-65 capability aswell.

 

The only real change was Wiring for the AGM-65 aswell as a new Radar display.

 

The Display was the same except for a TV mode to Display the Image from the AGM-65 Seeker.

 

My hope was for a F-5E with that display.

 

But im really Exited even without the AGM-65 capability.

 

I did however want a Unupgraded oF-5E.

 

(Without the later Radar / weapons upgrades and 4x missiles etc)

 

Maby later but if i had to pick one i rather take a Factory standard F-5E instead of a later upgraded one.

 

The Saudis had such a variant.

 

[TomCatMucDe]

@mattebubben I know it is for DCS manual, but former they have something original from a F5 to make a DCS Manual.

Don't think the US operator was so friendly to give Russia a fully translated Cyrillic operation Handbook for the F-5 :)

Possible the south Vietnamese send this with the operational F-5

 

@TomCat I think it would be starting a little bit boring when we drive the US out of the way with only MIG's in game.

 

 

 

For sure. I want to see planes from different nations. But since a Belarusian company did this it is normal that the manual is in Russian ;)

[Drag0nWIng]

Now I'm a little worry about that (only) 2 missile rails for aim-9...

Is it enough (for air combat)?

[Rogue Trooper]

It ain't no air dominance aircraft and that is for sure, but it is a tight and manoeuverable airframe and joy should be taken from those attributes.

[SkateZilla]

Nice Update can't wait! Just a little thing that i notice on the model it missing a little detail around the canopy shape:

 

Amazing Job!!!

 

I dont think it's on all F-5Es iirc

[mattebubben]

Now I'm a little worry about that (only) 2 missile rails for aim-9...

Is it enough (for air combat)?

 

Its no Air superiority aircraft.

 

But for close / medium ranges if you dont waste ur shots it should be alright.

 

But i Really do hope they give us a All Aspect Aim-9P as a alternative (Aim-9P4 or Aim-9P5)

 

Since they have been used by many if not most of the F-5E users (who kept their fighters past the 80s and used them into the 90s or 2000s)

 

Since having 2 All aspect missiles would be a big help.

 

Even if they where no more manuverable or had greater range then the Normal Aim-9P (Aim-9P3) it would still help.

 

And since its also realistic for Un upgraded F-5Es to use them i see no reason why they should not be added =P.

 

And with 2x Aim-9P4 Or P5 i dont see any reason why you should not have 1-2 kills with your missiles on each sortie.

 

And if all else Fails its bound to be a very decent gunfighter.

[SkateZilla]

By Lino Milkau: Now you can release the F-5 :D

 

 

Missing Social Media Buttons.

[Oceandar]

Can't wait to see it released so I can blow it up with my Su-27 or Eagle...

 

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

[TomCatMucDe]

Can't wait to see it released so I can blow it up with my Su-27 or Eagle...

 

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

 

Because you are a great pilot or rather because flying simplistic sim modes of much superior jets?

[Custard]

But i Really do hope they give us a All Aspect Aim-9P as a alternative (Aim-9P4 or Aim-9P5)

Since the AIM-9P model is the same old low res one in the screenshots I sadly doubt they have looked at revamping the Papa.

[Oceandar]

Because you are a great pilot or rather because flying simplistic sim modes of much superior jets?

Hahaha....I think because it only has 2 aim-9s. More or less same fate as MiG-21. It'd challenging to fly it and fortunately I love challenge....

 

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

[TomCatMucDe]

Hahaha....I think because it only has 2 aim-9s. More or less same fate as MiG-21. It'd challenging to fly it and fortunately I love challenge....

 

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

 

 

 

Where is the challenge in flying flanker or eagle in their current sim level? Especially going after inferior fighters?

[SkateZilla]

Does the F-5E have the same cockpit as the T-38?

 

If so, I have the excellent MilViz T-38 (in P3D) and can get all genned-up with that.

 

Nope,

 

The Share the same Development program, and a similar shape and a few parts, but T-38 is internally and externally a different aircraft than the F-5E

[Oceandar]

Where is the challenge in flying flanker or eagle in their current sim level? Especially going after inferior fighters?

I mean flying F-5 against those two....

 

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

[Kev2go]

Nope,

 

The Share the same Development program, and a similar shape and a few parts, but T-38 is internally and externally a different aircraft than the F-5E

 

thats a shame. so T38 doesnt have the same startup operation as the F5?

 

nor the same stick or throttle?

 

so a person whos flown the t38 in another sim will have to entirely relearn how to operate the F5? not just learning the the weapons related avionics systems? that the combat capable F5 has?

Edited April 9, 2016 by Kev2go

[KesMonkey]

I mean flying F-5 against those two....

 

You realise that's not what you said, right? :)

 

Can't wait to see it released so I can blow it up with my Su-27 or Eagle...

[Oceandar]

You realise that's not what you said, right? :)

You refer it to the wrong statement....

"It'd challenging" it refer to F-5

 

Gam Zeh Ya'avor - King Salomon

[Ramsay]

thats a shame. so T38 doesnt have the same startup operation as the F5?

 

nor the same stick or throttle?

 

so a person whos flown the t38 in another sim will have to entirely relearn how to operate the F5? not just learning the the weapons related avionics systems? that the combat capable F5 has?

 

I guess these things are relative.

 

From my perspective the F-5 and T-38 are very similar and IIRC the F-5A/B and T-38A/B share the same engine.

 

So the cockpit engine instrumentation and throttle arrangement are also similar.

 

The F-5E Tiger II was given an engine upgrade with IIRC extra compressor stages, greater thrust, improved service life, etc. but otherwise operates in a similar manner.

 

The T-38C was a major avionics upgrade F-16 HUD, etc. but the engine design still dates back to the T-38A/F-5A and there is an program to update the rotor design and extend engine service life/reliability.

 

Even when comparing a F-5A cockpit to the latest T-38C upgrade, I think I recognise most the engine instruments, etc. How true to real life or FSX is anyone's guess but IMHO prior flight knowledge of the T-38 should only help flying the F-5E.

 

I wouldn't advise buying a FSX module to prepare for a DCS release but if you already have it, IMHO it can't do any harm.

 

T-38A/B Manual

http://www.avialogs.com/en/aircraft/usa/northrop/t-38talon/t-o-1t-38a-1-t-38-a-b-flight-manual.html

 

F-5E Manual

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/usa/northrop/f-5tigerii/t-o-1f-5e-1-f-5e-flight-manual.html

[DaveRindner]

Looking forward to this module.

 

Looking forward to this module. Now I wonder how Belsimtek, in Belarus, got cooperation of NorthropGrumman. The aircraft is still flown by Indonesia, Malaysia, Philipines, and Thailand.

Hopefully one of DCS 3rd party developers or ED themselves make Pacific theater, spanning from SSC to Bering Straight.