Swedish Hkp 9

[Rogue Trooper]

I am really looking forward to experiencing your work The_Fragger, firstly in the Gazelle and secondly in your passion... the Bo105.

I will learn your signature!

[One1way]

I really love it ! Amazing work !!

keep it up!

[Kilrah]

How is it going with the Hkp 9? Been a while since last update and I´m want to fly it! :-D

[impeller]

This is the first time i see this. As a RC-Heli pilot and a swede, this is a instant cash spent

 

 

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[enigma6584]

Absolutely beautiful work! Really looking forward to this module.

[Gunnars Driver]

Yes, these are TOWs....Unfortunatly, we have no info on how the weaponsystem works. I have some pictures of the cockpit, where I saw that the weaponsystem usage seams to be the same as in the HOT version.

 

I probably have all the info needed. I flew the HKP9A with Helitow, both as Pilot and Gunner. I might be able to help.

 

What's the plan? ...to make it precisely as the HKP9 or just livery ?

[Gunnars Driver]

The TOW missile used was RBS55H, almost the same as the land based RB55. It is based on the BGM-71 TOW - and for that one there should be plenty of information.

 

The land based models had both normal optics and IR. The helicopter optics was developed in Sweden (Saab) and was some kind of (gyro?) stabilized. According to some forum posts I found there was also some tests with IR optics but never fully deployed. So the helo needed good weather...

 

SAAB was the manufacturer. The system was called Helitow by SAAB and RBS55H by the Swedish armed forces. The missiles was the same, and if I recall it correct Helitow could use all types( at least RBS55B,C,D...maybe/maybe not E).

 

Helitow used a optical daytime only sight with 3x and 12x magnification. Gyrostabilized with very good accuracy/stability. Weather needed (visibility) was the same as the shootong distance. In bad wx you hade to shorteb the distance by selecting a position close enough.

 

SAAB also made the Helitow2, wich was a IR sight system, making it a day/night system.

Swedish armed forces did not aquire Helitow2 except on one demo/test helo for demo use.

It was quite good though...

[Goblin]

I probably have all the info needed. I flew the HKP9A with Helitow, both as Pilot and Gunner. I might be able to help.

 

What's the plan? ...to make it precisely as the HKP9 or just livery ?

 

I'm not part of the development team, but I have helped out by documenting the HKP9A at Aeroseum, inside and outside :) So They are definately doing much more than just a skin.

Good to have you here. Will be interesting to hear your opinion on the HKP.

Do you have much experience with the Helos of DCS?

[Gunnars Driver]

I'm not part of the development team, but I have helped out by documenting the HKP9A at Aeroseum, inside and outside So They are definately doing much more than just a skin.

 

Do you have much experience with the Helos of DCS?

 

Thats good to have nice pictures. Perhaps these pictures and my knowledge is the key to the help they need ? I have some pic's, but only the Bo in flight - never cared to take photos of the inside equipment.

 

Ehhhh, about one flight on the Huey so far :)

 

Installed DCS a few weeeks ago, have flown the Mirage2K a handfull of flights. At least, now I have a real joystick/throttle instead of o broken one from the millenium before :thumbup:

Edited December 18, 2016 by Gunnars Driver

[Gunnars Driver]

We still have a BO at work, and I have access to it. Also, it said to be a complete weapons system stored so good chance to get it right.

[ebabil]

so you are a gold mine for Polychop sims :)

[BravoYankee4]

Yes, awesome that you found your way here to this subforum Gunnars Driver. Your experience would be of our interest I'm sure.

How many hours do you have in a HKP9? Where you active at 2007 when we had that terrible accident?

[Gunnars Driver]

Yes, awesome that you found your way here to this subforum Gunnars Driver. Your experience would be of our interest I'm sure.

How many hours do you have in a HKP9? Where you active at 2007 when we had that terrible accident?

 

About 2K on the BO.

 

Yes, I was active then. At the time belonged to 33.Sqn and all four was very close colleagues and friends. :-(

 

Flying at another unit today I'm still carrying that squadrons patch every day. It was designed mainly by two of the perished pilots.

Edited December 19, 2016 by Gunnars Driver

[ebabil]

some videos would be good captain

[GORNYAK]

From facebook

 

I also retextured the the Swedish HKP external model:

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Dear Simmers,

I've modeled/textured an additional TOW missile (BGM71D) which was also used by the swedish army (thanks Gunnars Driver). I also made a render which defines the gauges on the front panel of the swedish BO-105 HKP (Helitow)

 

 

 

[The_Fragger]

Additional Renders with infos on the swedish HKP-9A (Helitow) for DCS World

[myHelljumper]

Additional Renders with infos on the swedish HKP-9A (Helitow) for DCS World

 

Nice infos, thanks for sharing :)

[mattebubben]

Does anybody know if HKP-9A was able to carry and use 8 Tows or just the 4 that seems to have been standard.

 

Since ive seen some sources stating it could carry 8 and there is also a photo or two of this

(Example)

Or was this simply something that was tested but never put into service etc.

 

I would be interested to know exactly what is shown on the photo when it comes to the Tows either way,

So if somebody knows more on the subject

(Maybe Gunnars Driver as he seems to be the in-house HKP 9 expert considering he used to serve in them)

i would love to hear it =).

[BravoYankee4]

Wow, never seen that before. It would really be nice to hear the story behind that photo.

[Gunnars Driver]

Does anybody know if HKP-9A was able to carry and use 8 Tows or just the 4 that seems to have been standard.

 

Since ive seen some sources stating it could carry 8 and there is also a photo or two of this

(Example)

 

Or was this simply something that was tested but never put into service etc.

 

 

No, only 4 TOW's on the Hkp9 system.

 

 

That pic was from before I entered service and most certainly from development and testing.

 

 

The MLA (Missile Launch Assembly) was the same use by AH64 and could be mounted underneith each other. That way it was possible to actually mount more than two on each side. On this picture the MLA doesn't seem to be the same one that actually entered service.

 

 

The Hkp9 was never used with more than 4 missiles and from memory the weapons system was not built for more than 4 TOW's, at lest not for Hkp9.

 

 

From operating it, fully equipped with 4 TOW, pilot and gunner it wasn't possible to carry full fuel. MTOW(2500kg) was reached with around 75-80% fuel. Theoretically if fitted with 4 MLA /8 TOW the onboard fuel amount would not be enough to use 8 missiles in a tactical scenario, probably not even 4 TOWs.

 

 

I would be quite surprised if the SAAB Helitow system wasn't customizable to more TOW's, for example for export to other helicopter types. I don't know anything about that though.

 

 

[Edit]Forgot to say, that photo was used as a poster. Seen it lot of times on walls around :-)

Edited March 19, 2017 by Gunnars Driver

[Gunnars Driver]

I would be interested to know exactly what is shown on the photo when it comes to the Tows either way.

 

 

Dont know or remember the history of that picture.

 

 

That most certainly is one of three pre series helicopters, rented or leased from MBB before the actual Hkp9A arrived. This helo do not have the wire strike kit and doesn't seem to have the "ears" made for mounting EWS(Sweden didnt have radar warning system, but the "ears" above/front of each crew door was present).

The 'pylon hinge' for mounting the MLA/missiles doesn't look the same way the final one did, and the MLA doesn't look the same either.

The modification of the roof to fit the sight unit doesnt look like the final one either.

The color scheme is not as the final ones had.

[mattebubben]

Yea i kinda assumed it could be something like that.

Both that having 8 Tows would probably be to heavy to be practical

for such a small / light helicopter as the Bo-105/HKP 9.

 

And that it might have been early testing since even though im far from

an expert on the HKP 9A something looked different about it

(camo/color Scheme and Launchers being the things i noticed atleast),

and i thought it was probable that there were tests done with different loadout

options done during the testing phase so it made sense if the picture was from that era.

 

 

 

Thanks for the response and information =)

 

Its so nice to actually have someone who flew them on the forum to answer questions etc.

And im looking forward to see what kinds of input you have about it when its finally released.

Edited March 19, 2017 by mattebubben

[Jarlerus]

As this forum is up and running again, I thought I'd continue this conversation =)

 

IIRC the HKP9 carried 4 TOW missiles in the mountings, and also some in the storage compartment, so that the crew could reload in the field, by themselves.

 

With so much knowledgeable people around, I guess this claim could be easily verified or contested =)

 

And if it's verified... Could it be implemented in DCS? ^^

[BaD CrC]

If you are looking for field reloading (right?), PolyChop already tried to make this possible for the Gazelle and apparently couldn't find a way. Whether the TOWS are in a compartment of the chopper or not is not really important since the reloading action is not animated at all.

I think field reloading capability is something that we should ask ED rather than 3rd parties.

[Schmidtfire]

The Helitow system in action: