F15C Suggestion- Adding Strike/Ground attack loadouts

[Sweep]

That would be an F-15E, which is a little bit different compared to the C in design, mission role, and a few other things...

[SinusoidDelta]

Yep, just an AI aircraft unfortunately...

[mvsgas]

Wait and see if ED or a 3rd party adds A2G capability to the F-15C (or A, B, D) only thing we can do.

 

Not related to DCS:

There are several things on the manual for the F-15C that mentions things the aircraft may be physically able to do but it is not used in operation or daily missions. One example; stations 1 and 9 are never used, I have ask several old F-15 mechanics ( crew chiefs), those stations are not use. The aircraft has them.

 

I also ask several pilots ( while I was part of the 9th AMU, 49 AMXS) about air to ground capabilities of the F-15A to D, several of those pilots had 10+ years on the F-15, they never practice, trained, or even thought about using F-15A to D for A2G missions.

 

Can the F-15A to D do it? Is it capable of doing it? Does it have the Software or hard ware? Are the ground crews and aircraft trained for any A2G mission? I do not know, so many variable.

[104th_Maverick]

Me personally, I would like to see the fc3 a/c removed completely someday. I see enough modules inbound to keep me busy enough. When I want a FC a/c, I go to FC2. Just my 2 cents.

 

 

There is much more to DCS than pressing buttons in the cockpit sir, although yes it will be fantastic to have fully clickable fighters in DCS.

 

What FC3 gives you is much more than several dumbed down aircraft to fly, it allows you access to the PvP Multiplayer scene, which is a world away from 'flying' on Single Player.

 

The MP side of DCS is growing everyday, more and more people from all over the world are getting involved. New Squadrons are forming all the time and across the board most DCS servers are seeing a growth in numbers.

There are servers with 50+ clients connected everyday, regular competitions and even a 24/7 Campaign that more than 300 people have signed up too!

 

FC3 is worth buying just to take part in things like this in my opinion.

 

If Single Player is like Chess then flying in a MP event is like driving a Formula 1 car! Nothing compares to flying with and against other people who are all co-ordinating with each other on TeamSpeak.

 

You 100% must try this sir if you have not done already!

 

My £1

[Frostie]

Ok if wasn't in any way planned to be added( and if it still isn't), why are there screenshots from ED where an F15c is armed with mk82 snake eyes? Its from a preview of DCS 2.0

 

 

 

 

That's an AI F-15E which is already in the current DCS.

[NakedSquirrel]

Never say never. The Su27 saw some great upgrades. There may be some changes to the F15C module after they finish modeling the systems for the F18/F15E. It's not entirely unfeasible that they add bombs in CCIP mode, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it doesn't get those upgrades, since it was rarely used in the A-G role.

 

Just be pleasantly surprised if it gets any upgrades :)

[Sierra99]

I also ask several pilots ( while I was part of the 9th AMU, 49 AMXS) about air to ground capabilities of the F-15A to D, several of those pilots had 10+ years on the F-15, they never practice, trained, or even thought about using F-15A to D for A2G missions.

 

Can the F-15A to D do it? Is it capable of doing it? Does it have the Software or hard ware? Are the ground crews and aircraft trained for any A2G mission? I do not know, so many variable.

 

You have to understand how the Air Force works.

 

Every squadron in the Air Force has a specific wartime mission. The wartime mission is how a units existiance is justified in the budget. "We need X number of X to accomplish X during a war...

 

A units wartime mission drives it's manning, it's training, and the wartime mission is what the unit is evaluated on annually to ensure its readiness. Squadron are allocated funds to "pay" for their training for their units wartime mission. Since the mission of the F-15C is Air superiority, not Precision strike, it's not fiscally wise for units to use funds to train for something they are not responsible for.

 

This is why even though the C model may be able to carry Air to Ground weapons, the pilots don't train with them. This is the F-15 training regulation...

 

http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a3_5/publication/afi11-2f-15v1/afi11-2f-15v1.pdf

 

it takes some time to decipher but it lists the annual training requirements ("Beans") based on a pilots experience that they must accomplish each year to stay mission qualified...you can see there's not a lot of time left for training on things your unit isn't responsible for.

 

Gary

Sierra

[Pickle]

I would much rather just have a Mudhen made for DCS, instead of just having AG weapons added to the C.

[NineLine]

As a side note RAZBAM has a F-15E planned...

[SinusoidDelta]

The F-15A/B/C/D APG 63 radar has always had the capability for AG modes:

http://www.ausairpower.net/Profile-F-15A-D.html

Though the F-15A/B had the software and electronics for bombing (e.g. CCIP or Automatic Release) it is not used for the task. The C/D has a Doppler beam sharpened groundmapping ability, ground Moving Target Indicator (MTI) and fixed target tracking, all of which are tactical strike modes.

 

TAC's requirement for ground attack capability followed as a result of the Rapid Deployment Force intervention oriented restructuring, though currently only the F-15Cs of the 1st TFW (Langley, Va) actually practice strike sorties. In support of the RDF TAC would deploy FAST pack fitted F-15Cs supported by KC-10 tankers to potential or actual trouble-spots in hours.

 

The C/D may be fitted with BRU-2GA 6X bomb racks which are cleared for supersonic release; typically the aircraft would carry 18 cluster bombs or 500 lb Mk 82s on two wing racks and one centreline rack. The gross weight limit is set at 68,000 lb.

 

Edited September 25, 2015 by SinusoidDelta

[Wizard_03]

There are several things on the manual for the F-15C that mentions things the aircraft may be physically able to do but it is not used in operation or daily missions. One example; stations 1 and 9 are never used, I have ask several old F-15 mechanics ( crew chiefs), those stations are not use. The

 

They were designed for anti-radiation missiles for a SEAD role but that never got passed mock up. However the new Saudi F-15E can use those stations.

 

Edited September 25, 2015 by Wizard_03

[Kev2go]

I do relaise that something called the f15e exisits. well I didn't know it was an f15e from looking at the image.

 

from that angle it looks just like an f15c. same camo scheme, but with bombs.

 

The most obvious noticeable feature of the f15e are the 2 seater positions. from that angle only 1 was visible.

 

that image is an unnecessary tease.

[ggerman]

I do relaise that something called the f15e exisits. well I didn't know it was an f15e from looking at the image.

 

from that angle it looks just like an f15c. same camo scheme, but with bombs.

 

The most obvious noticeable feature of the f15e are the 2 seater positions. from that angle only 1 was visible.

 

that image is an unnecessary tease.

 

Actually, the most prominent feature of the F-15E is quite visible - the CFTs mounted on the intakes... hard to mistake it for a C-model.

[Wizard_03]

Actually, the most prominent feature of the F-15E is quite visible - the CFTs mounted on the intakes... hard to mistake it for a C-model.

 

The C can use the CFTs as well, they just usually don't, the give away in the picture is the sniper pod (and the A2G load lol)

[SkateZilla]

Boeing put out a revised loadout that consists of 16 A2A Missiles..

 

No room for bombs, lol

[FSKRipper]

Maybe this can bring some light to the development... see page 12 onwards.

 

@SinusoidDelta: The correct term would be the F-15C radar had the capability for A/G

 

EDIT: I assume we are only talking about the american F-15C!

ADA398080.pdf

Edited September 25, 2015 by FSKRipper

[ggerman]

The C can use the CFTs as well, they just usually don't, the give away in the picture is the sniper pod (and the A2G load lol)

 

Not in DCS, they can't! :D

[Wizard_03]

Not in DCS, they can't! :D

I know, :cry: Don't rub it in! lol

[Sierra99]

As a side note RAZBAM has a F-15E planned...

 

Sith I know this was announced and then > POOF < it just vanished and aside from random pics for all intents and purposes, disappeared. Do ya know why?

[Sierra99]

Maybe this can bring some light to the development... see page 12 onwards.

 

@SinusoidDelta: The correct term would be the F-15C radar had the capability for A/G

 

EDIT: I assume we are only talking about the american F-15C!

 

Great read...Glad to see the fighter mafia had their own subsect and issues. As a "Tanker Toad" who dealt with the "T-Tail Mafia" for many years, the arguments sound oh so familiar.

 

Gary

[Cool Breeze]

It was a bad angle.... but here you go

 

F-15E generally has a much darker I'll call it a "Charcoal" paint scheme.

 

Theses are the Conformal Fuel Tanks or CFTs adds much needed range for the Es strike missions.

 

F-15C usually have a two tone light grey with a blue-grey in irregular shapes across the aircraft.

[Cool Breeze]

Just out of curiosity does anyone know when the C Eagles Air to Ground capability was pulled?

[SinusoidDelta]

Maybe this can bring some light to the development... see page 12 onwards.

 

@SinusoidDelta: The correct term would be the F-15C radar had the capability for A/G

 

EDIT: I assume we are only talking about the american F-15C!

 

The F-15A~D, specifically the radar, still has the capability for AG modes. It may need a simple reprogramming but the capability is there.

[Vampyre]

F-15E generally has a much darker I'll call it a "Charcoal" paint scheme.

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Federal Standard 595 color FS36118 is the colors true name. In modeling circles it is referred to as Gunship Grey. Not sure what the wing wipers call it though.

[mvsgas]

Non of this is related to whether they add the capability within DCS:

 

You have to understand how the Air Force works.

Sierra

I got quite familiar with the Air Force and understood how it works from 96 to 2012 :thumbup:

 

Every squadron in the Air Force has a specific wartime mission. The wartime mission is how a units existiance is justified in the budget. "We need X number of X to accomplish X during a war...

 

A units wartime mission drives it's manning, it's training, and the wartime mission is what the unit is evaluated on annually to ensure its readiness. Squadron are allocated funds to "pay" for their training for their units wartime mission. Since the mission of the F-15C is Air superiority, not Precision strike, it's not fiscally wise for units to use funds to train for something they are not responsible for.

 

This is why even though the C model may be able to carry Air to Ground weapons, the pilots don't train with them. This is the F-15 training regulation...

If the Squadron does not have the mission, and personnel are not trained then the aircraft is not capable. F-117 supposedly could carry several different missiles, no pilot was trained to used them on that aircraft and no weapons crews where trained to load them, so the aircraft can't used those weapons= not capable of doing it.

 

 

They were designed for anti-radiation missiles for a SEAD role but that never got passed mock up. However the new Saudi F-15E can use those stations.

Yeap, still not used on day to day ops as I posted. They Royal Saudi Air Fore (RSAF) is getting E? I thought they got SA models

Edited September 26, 2015 by mvsgas