renhanxue Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 The AJS 37 does not have a bitchin' betty. It just beeps and boops at you.
mattebubben Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 The AJS 37 does not have a bitchin' betty. It just beeps and boops at you. You might be able to replace the Beeps and the Boops with Bork Bork Borks though ^^
drPhibes Posted November 29, 2016 Posted November 29, 2016 Let's just hope there's some Eddie Meduza on the TEAC tape recorder (which the manual claims is used for recording video from the Maverick seeker, but I have my doubts...)
amalahama Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Slightly off-topic: Can anybody translate the general meaning of this picture? I find the word INVASION in the guy's newspaper highly disturbing Regards!
Akatsuki Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah... About that... A whole day since the announcement video... Guess, what I'm sayin' - and I know I speak for many of us - is that...we...want...more. That is, if it's not a bother. P-p-p-pleeeease! :cry: +1 We NEED more!
Kilrah Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Slightly off-topic: Can anybody translate the general meaning of this picture? I find the word INVASION in the guy's newspaper highly disturbing Regards! It´s an illustration of a fictitious attack on sweden due to a failed tjeckoslovakian "socialism with a human face" agenda. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_a_human_face) If that had been a success, what would have happen if the tjecks had call to arms and fought the invading russian and USA felt guilty to help the tjecks. (apparenly, what happened was that russia invaded and established order again...) Sort of... EDIT: Why invade Sweden then? Well, to stop the US reinforcements they had to control the Norwegian coast and atlantic (submarines) and the fastest way to get there was trough Sweden apparently. Edited November 30, 2016 by Kilrah ASUS Z370, i7 8086K @ 5,2 Ghz, ASUS Strix GTX 1080, 16GB Ram, TM HOTAS Warthog, TrackIR 5, Saitek combat rudders, 25" 1440p monitor, Oculus Rift
Pocket Sized Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Anyone know how the Viggen's sidewinders will compare to the AIM-9P5? DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works.
mattebubben Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Anyone know how the Viggen's sidewinders will compare to the AIM-9P5? The two main Aim-9s for the Viggen will be the rear aspect RB 24J (Aim-9J) and RB 74 (Aim-9L). The Aim-9P is based on the Aim-9J (And the Aim-9P5 is the last of the Aim-9P variants with an All aspect seeker) And the Aim-9L is the first All Aspect Aim-9 and is the predecessor to the Aim-9M (The Aim-9M is based on the Aim-9L but with improved performance especially against countermeasures). The RB 74 (Aim-9L) will be better then the Aim-9P5 (the seeker should be more powerful especially in all aspect situations and it will be superior in maneuverability and range etc) but the Aim-9P5 will be superior to the Rb 24J (Aim-9J). You will also have the RB 24 which is based on the Aim-9B but i dont think that weapon will be used much (and it was not used long on the AJ before it was retired and had long been retired before the AJS 37 upgrade). But in general the missiles should be capable especially the RB 74/Aim-9L should be very effective (comparable to the Aim-9M in agility and range etc) Edited November 30, 2016 by mattebubben
Pocket Sized Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah, for some reason I was under the impression the AIM-9L was worse than the P5, oops. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works.
mattebubben Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Yeah, for some reason I was under the impression the AIM-9L was worse than the P5, oops. Far from it. Actually the reason for the Development of the Aim-9P series was to get a cheaper missile with still decent performance (better then the older Aim-9 Variants) for use for less important tasks or for nations that the US did not want to export Aim-9Ls to. So the Aim-9L is superior to even the best of the Aim-9Ps (Aim-9P5) but was also more expensive so many nations (including the US) acquired both, So for peace time and less risky tasks they would not have to waste a Aim-9L but could carry a cheaper missile instead. (as the number of Flight hours and Takeoffs/landings for missile like the Aim-9 is limited before it might become less reliable). And not all aircraft were able to use the Aim-9L or Aim-9M (as they had some requirements that the Aim-9P or older missiles did not have). Edited November 30, 2016 by mattebubben
asla36 Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 It's BÖRK!:mad::smartass: DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D
asla36 Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Looking forward to a BÖRK'in cockpit:D DCS: MiG-23 [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Make it happen, and take my money! :D
millenix Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Having not read through all 379 pages of this thread, this could be a repost. But here is a fun Viggen article: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/6237/saabs-viggen-could-stick-a-landing-and-takeoff-again-like-no-other-fighter Millenix | 68th Virtual Fighter Squadron AV8B | AJS-37 | F-5E | Mig-21bis | P-51D | Spitfire Mk IX | Bf-109 | M-2000C | A-10C | U1-H1 | Ka-50 | FC3
RabidRider Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 In the article, there's mention of a "Tactical Instrument Landing System, ... which made precise landings on short strips much more reliable." Will this be included in the DCS Viggen? Anyone know how it works?
RaXha Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 In the article, there's mention of a "Tactical Instrument Landing System, ... which made precise landings on short strips much more reliable." Will this be included in the DCS Viggen? Anyone know how it works? I found this: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.aef.se/Avionik/Notiser/TILS_mottagare.htm&usg=ALkJrhhtXgQzTB0453Kp3J3e2PUcyHX3mA
RaXha Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) For all the Swedes out there, Försvarsmakten just added this to their website. It's a documentary produced for the swedish armed forces about the cold war in sweden. Spoiler: theres AJ 37 footage in there. :D http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/information-och-fakta/var-historia/om-kriget-kom/ Edit: I commented that they should add english subtitles, lets see if they listen. :P Edited November 30, 2016 by RaXha
Snail Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 I found this: https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.aef.se/Avionik/Notiser/TILS_mottagare.htm&usg=ALkJrhhtXgQzTB0453Kp3J3e2PUcyHX3mA It would be great if it's implemented! We just have to await the manual :-) How (s)low can you go
Mjau Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 For all the Swedes out there, Försvarsmakten just added this to their website. It's a documentary produced for the swedish armed forces about the cold war in sweden. Spoiler: theres AJ 37 footage in there. :D http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/information-och-fakta/var-historia/om-kriget-kom/ Edit: I commented that they should add english subtitles, lets see if they listen. :P Very gloomy documentary. On a soviet invasion scenario "The pilots have practiced hard for just this scenario. They're aware what will meet them and they know there wont be a happy ending" Ppffshh yeah! For the fleet captain recieving the business end of the RBS15 to the face :D Remember the PSA in the yellow pages always used to say "any news about our surrender is a lie"
RaXha Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Very gloomy documentary. On a soviet invasion scenario "The pilots have practiced hard for just this scenario. They're aware what will meet them and they know there wont be a happy ending" Ppffshh yeah! For the fleet captain recieving the business end of the RBS15 to the face :D Remember the PSA in the yellow pages always used to say "any news about our surrender is a lie" More specifically: "We never surrender! Every message about the resistance ceasing is a lie!" The cold war truly was a different time here. :P Regarding the note about the pilots knowing whats comming, i read somewhere that they counted on loosing pretty much the entire fleet of AJ 37 very rapidly in case on an invasion, it was more or less designed as a suicide mission. :P
Snail Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Sweden would never be able to withstand a massive Sovjet invasion, but they could make it an unwanted option in terms of losses and gains. How (s)low can you go
Skjold Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Sweden would never be able to withstand a massive Sovjet invasion, but they could make it an unwanted option in terms of losses and gains. That sums up our cold war strategy in a nutshell. :thumbup:
mattebubben Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Well Sweden might not have been able to stand up to all Soviet forces. (But then again no Nation other then the US had a realistic chance at that 1vs1) But all the most likely cold war scenarios where the soviets invaded were as a part of a over all war against nato (and its uncertain that Nato would just stand by if the Soviets did an unjustified invasion as the danger it would represent for Nato would be significant if Soviet forces occupied Sweden) And that that point it would depend on how much the soviets were able to focus on Sweden and how much they had to keep elsewhere. The idea was never that the Swedish military would defeat the soviets alone but to make it difficult enough to effect the overall outcome of the war or where the soviets would decide it was not worth it and focus their troops against nato instead. And its also likely that if Swedish forces where able to hold out for long enough they would be getting support from Nato forces since it was very much in their favor if Sweden did not fall completely to soviet forces (as the Soviets could then close the Baltic and also get into the Nato flank by rushing into Norway and attacking Denmark). Swedens goal would be similar to that of Finland in the Winter war and ww2 in general that is to inflict heavy enough casualties and make a victory hard enough for the enemy so that they decide its not worth it and become open to a political solution / end to hostilities. The outcome from Sweden very much depended on how it went for the Nato forces in Nato and Germany. If those front held or even better were able to push the Soviets back then the odds for Sweden looked up as it would be unlikely that the soviets would be able to send more troops to Sweden as they would be much more needed elsewhere or be forced to outright pull their troops out of Sweden to try to Fortify the other Fronts. But if the Soviets where winning on those fronts then Sweden would have no chance of holding out in the end. Edited November 30, 2016 by mattebubben
Mjau Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Luckily the closest we ever came to finding out was the "whiskey on the rocks" incident. I believe it was the Viggen being scrambled then? Could have been lansen instead.
mattebubben Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Luckily the closest we ever came to finding out was the "whiskey on the rocks" incident. I believe it was the Viggen being scrambled then? Could have been lansen instead. The year was 1981 so Those were AJ 37s (All AJ 37s had been delivered and were in service by then and the last of the A 32 Lansen were retired in 1978 ) It was one of the very few times where AJ 37s took off fully armed with RB 04Es and with pilots aware that hey might very well have to use them. Edited November 30, 2016 by mattebubben
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