Harry.R Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) In the early NVG's, (70's-80's) the Puma pilots would night fly with one pilot with NVG's and the other safety pilot without. There was depth of field problem with them. We tried them by walking down a track where we could see the trees, they looked about 20ft away, then you walked straight into it. Has that been fixed nowadays? Short answer is no. Edited November 16, 2017 by Harry.R
Sealpup Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Short answer is no. Confirmed. Shortly before my last deployment before leaving the USAF, I went through combat skills training. One of the exercises was driving a humvee, at night, through a wooded course with current-gen NODs. The lack of depth perception had me overshooting more than a few turns... Poor humvee had at least thirty pounds of palmetto bush wedged in the grill by the end of the night. 1
WAR Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Thanks for the rapid response Zeus, she’s lookin awesome...and pre-ordered :thumbup: WAR great post, nvg bloom from strobes was a distraction, even IR, also image ghosting (as you move your fov from a bright light source) on older tubes. In the early NVG's, (70's-80's) the Puma pilots would night fly with one pilot with NVG's and the other safety pilot without. There was depth of field problem with them. We tried them by walking down a track where we could see the trees, they looked about 20ft away, then you walked straight into it. Has that been fixed nowadays? We were lucky enough to have Gen 3 goggles which had reasonable depth of field on the terrain and when the millilux levels were high, you could certainly fly very low level at high speeds. But of course they have their limitations like when the ambient light levels drop or on single points of light. Sometimes it was difficult to distinguish the tail light of the formation member ahead from a bright star! Poor NVG/FLIR performance however didn't stop us from flying low level attack sorties, it was just a damn sight scarier. Another aspect which helped was the training, we had a simulator, well the US did initially until ours was built, so all pilots underwent a course before they began the EO workup in the jet. I see Gen 4 googles now exist, though I'm not sure if these are in use on the Harrier now. Anyhow I guess this is going off topic for this thread and deserves it's own in due course. 1
Zeus67 Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) The rear nozzles now glow with raw engine power. The glow is the product of the engine JPT (Jet Pipe Temperatture) as indicated by the FM. Edited November 19, 2017 by Zeus67 1 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
pimp Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 Wow. Really nice. :thumbup: i9 14900k @5.6GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z790 A-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 990 Pro 2TB | 64GB DDR5 6400MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | PiMAX CRYSTAL LIGHT | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals
mr_mojo97 Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 NVGs No. I don't, but fortunately ED knew how to deal with the problem. It is fixed. I had a mod for the A-10C ages by Frenchy and tacca. I never did like the wide aspect of the ED nvgs. Any chance we can get a more circular realistic version? MSI M5 z270 | Intel i5 7600k (OC) 4.8GHz | MSI GTX1080ti Gaming X 11Gb | 500gb Samsung 970 Evo NVME M.2 (DCS World) | 500gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD (OS and Apps) | 32Gb 2400MHz DDR4 - Crucial Ballistix | Be Quiet Silent Loop 240mm | NZXT H440 case | Thrustmaster Warthog - 47608 with Virpil Mongoose joystick base | MFG Crosswinds - 1241 | Westland Lynx collective with Bodnar X board | Pilot's seat from ZH832 Merlin | JetSeat | Oculus Rift S | Windows 10 | VA |
Devrim Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 The rear nozzles now glow with raw engine power...Wow! That's beautiful! Thanks! :) Intel i7-14700@5.6GHz | MSI RTX4080 SuperSuprimX | Corsair V. 64GB@6400MHz. | Samsung 1TB 990 PRO SSD (Win10Homex64) Samsung G5 32" + Samsung 18" + 2x8"TFT Displays | TM Warthog Stick w/AVA Base | VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle | TM MFD Cougars | Logitech G13, G230, G510, PZ55 & Farming Sim Panel | TIR5 & M.Quest3 VR >>MY MODS<< | Discord: Devrim#1068
flyingscotsman Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 Thanks HYENA, that’s a more impressive way to test the NVG WAR, that sound really scary, so must try it some time. I found night flying in game rally good if you can Chet the house light off, it is just moe immersive, Just never tried it with NVGs Thank you Gents
DefaultFace Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 IRL comparison of the glowing. Never knew that it did that :O https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=105_1467355039 9./JG27 "If you can't hit anything, it's because you suck. If you get shot down, it's because you suck. You and me, we know we suck, and that makes it ok." - Worst person in all of DCS "In the end, which will never come, we will all be satisifed... we must fight them on forum, we will fight them on reddit..." - Dunravin
Vitormouraa Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 I've seen this video, but I haven't noticed the sparks (?) in the fan face lol SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com
Typhoon9 Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 Amazing the video! I tried to found a video with a the glowing effect at daytime but nothing. Is this effect in real almost noticeable at night?
Zeus67 Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 Amazing the video! I tried to found a video with a the glowing effect at daytime but nothing. Is this effect in real almost noticeable at night? AV-8B Plus making an emergency landing. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
amalahama Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 AV-8B Plus making an emergency landing. It's the only one, and still very subtle compared with the pictures in DCS... the effect is way overdone in my opinion. Regards! 1
Zeus67 Posted November 19, 2017 Posted November 19, 2017 It's the only one, and still very subtle compared with the pictures in DCS... the effect is way overdone in my opinion. Regards! Agree. It is a validation test for the glow. It will be fixed. 1 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Spudknocker Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Super Cool documentary about the harrier, little dated tho I think its pre 2001ish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzFr_w1aKqw [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Spudknocker DCS World YouTube Channel!! RTX 2080 Ti - i7-7700K - 32GB RAM - DCS on 1TB EVO 970 M.2 SSD - Logitech X56 HOTAS
al531246 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Amalahama, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4trG-BSRgI4 Intel i5-8600k | EVGA RTX 3070 | Windows 10 | 32GB RAM @3600 MHz | 500 GB Samsung 850 SSD
Harry.R Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I realise this is wip but I personally never saw the (GR7) hot nozzles glow in daylight, only a dusk/night. Does the AV8B engine make the hot nozzles glow in day light?
Alicatt Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I realise this is wip but I personally never saw the (GR7) hot nozzles glow in daylight, only a dusk/night. Does the AV8B engine make the hot nozzles glow in day light? Never seen it either and I have been rather close to them at times. Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
Harry.R Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Never seen it either and I have been rather close to them at times. Argh! 20 Sqn! Pass the eye soap!
shagrat Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 I realise this is wip but I personally never saw the (GR7) hot nozzles glow in daylight, only a dusk/night. Does the AV8B engine make the hot nozzles glow in day light?Zeus67 linked a video above for reference, where it does IRL. Extreme situation, but you can see the nozzle glowing. Edit: he also mentioned the effect will be tuned, as it is a bit too much in the testvideo. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Harry.R Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Zeus67 linked a video above for reference, where it does IRL. Extreme situation, but you can see the nozzle glowing. Edit: he also mentioned the effect will be tuned, as it is a bit too much in the testvideo. Thanks, I've seen that incident video before and it's the first time I noticed the hot nozzle glow. :music_whistling::lol:
rjetster1 Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Keeps getting better and better... hopefully get our hands on it very soon!
Backy 51 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 Note to self: Nozzle glow can be hazardous to your health with manpads in the area. I don't need no stinkin' GPS! (except for PGMs :D) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Zeus67 Posted November 21, 2017 Posted November 21, 2017 The pilot now has his AN/AVS-9 NVGs mounted on his helmet. The helmet visor and the NVG are mutually exclusive and you have to choose in the ME if you want to mount the AN/AVS-9 in the helmet before you start the flight. 1 "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
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