Nealius Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 I am consistently having issues with landing as when I apply wheel brakes I start yawing all over the place and skid off the runway. How has everyone else gotten around this issue without the drag chute working?
nomdeplume Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 See this thread. The M-2000C EFM is too sensitive to rudder commands on take-off/landing rolls. Ditto with the brakes, even when anti-skid is enabled. We are trying to dampen the efect but it still remains too sensitive. At any speed over 40, just nudges will be enough to steer. Brakes should be applied carefully and only under 100 knots. Hopefully we will have this beast tamed in short time and you will be able to ride her better. Personally I aerobrake until I (eventually) get down to around 60kn and then force the nose down and then try to brake carefully. I don't think the FBW should be able to keep the nose up at those speeds, though. You could also try using the keyboard command (W) to ensure the brakes are applied evenly, at least until you're at a more controllable speed.
Yurgon Posted December 29, 2015 Posted December 29, 2015 Who says we have? :D Kidding aside, so far I only had one test flight with two landings, and on one of the landings I did skid off the runway but was able to get back without breaking anything. Right now the M-2000C does feel a little too sensitive in this regard, but I have no clue whatsoever how close this behavior is to real life. Edit: Sniped, and good info. :thumbup:
Nealius Posted December 29, 2015 Author Posted December 29, 2015 I just noticed another landing thread pop up as well. I'm almost considering a slight curve on my rudder pedals, as I had to do the same with the Su-25 to keep it reigned in on the runway.
Nealius Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 Aaaand I'm still skidding all over the place even with the W key. Pressing W key, full left rudder, plane veers 90 degrees to the right and into the grass.
GGTharos Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Something is wrong with your controls setup. Bring up the control display panel and check - ctrl-enter iirc [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kayos Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 It will do this if you are still going fast. Let it slow down to under 30 and it is a little easier. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Nealius Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 Nothing wrong with the controls, but if speed is a factor then that's probably it. The problem is that without a drogue chute or braking early I run out of runway before getting down to 30kts.
Jansgi Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I don't think the FBW should be able to keep the nose up It's not only the FBW that keeps the nose up. As your whole fuselage and wings act as an airbrake the the aerodynamic force also keeps your nose up with the help of the elevons. If you try this with the DCS: F-15 you will notice that you can do almost the same with it. AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600X AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT G.Skill 64GB (4 x 16GB) Trident Z Neo DDR4 3600MHz
OnlyforDCS Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Something is wrong with your controls setup. Bring up the control display panel and check - ctrl-enter iirc The control display panel doesn't work in the M2000C. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
OnlyforDCS Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 One other thing to consider, this is one of those planes where differential braking might not be really required. Putting both brakes on one axis, might do the trick, or if that is not possible (haven't tried it yet) you can bind breaks to a key. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
winchesterdelta1 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I have wheel brakes W configured on my joystick. First two landings i also skit of the runway.. But it just required some practice. Don't Hold the brakes to long and when you feel that it's going to skit release the brakes and make only slight adjustments with rudder. And don't brake above 100. Go in close, and when you think you are too close, go in closer.
Jo Le Trembleur Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) One other thing to consider, this is one of those planes where differential braking might not be really required. Putting both brakes on one axis, might do the trick, or if that is not possible (haven't tried it yet) you can bind breaks to a key. I did this, and logically it improved a little, but lateral skidding is still there when applying strong braking. I succeeded in staying aligned only by applying brakes very carefully, but my problem is now the length of the runway :smilewink: Edited December 31, 2015 by Jo Le Trembleur [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Zethlol Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I usually touchdown at around 160kts, nose up and airbrakes to 110 kts, then I start tapping the W key (still nose up) at around 80 kts I bring nose down, engage nws and gently tap the W key while using rudder. Try it out!
OnlyforDCS Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Interestingly enough the M2000C is so far the only plane I have not yet crashed on take-off or landing, despite the sensitivity to crosswind (something that might be tweaked in the FM in the future) and the difficulties in braking. I did have some close calls where I ran out of runway on landing, or swerved heavily on take-off, but managed to stop without damaging the plane and take-off without crashing. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
dotChuckles Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Razbam have said the ground handling is not right. It's being worked on. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gospadin Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 OK thanks. I know but figured with saitek could do something. Sure, just add a curve to your brake axes. Should work fine. Gentle toe pressure works fine for me on my Saitek combat pedals. I skidded the first time, but every other landing since has been straight as an arrow. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
Voodooflies Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Alright, first things first, rise your seat up once long final, place FPM and chevrons in the middle of AoA brackets (which is exactly 14°). Flare gently while idle and extend airbrakes. When the touch occurs, hold your AoA as much as you can (do not exceed limit otherwise you might hit the runway with the aircraft's tail), tap on the brakes, do not apply full brake except below 70 kts, the NSW is automatically engaged below 40 kts and disengaged over 40 kts, so leave it on even in flight. When your speed is about 70kts, use the brakes the put your nose wheel gently on the runway. You can also use differential braking on the very last seconds of the landing if you have trouble maintaining the centerline. To conclude, once your main wheels touch the runway, leave your joystick alone, the FBW system will hold the aircraft AoA, so use your rudder to keep your centerline. Finally, train and repeat as much as you can - circuits training are a good way to get experience in many aspects of flights. Edited December 31, 2015 by Sacha [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Fionn Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 I usually touchdown at around 160kts, nose up and airbrakes to 110 kts, then I start tapping the W key (still nose up) at around 80 kts I bring nose down, engage nws and gently tap the W key while using rudder. Try it out! This is about spot on the same for me, although I tend to land a tiny bit slower depending on fuel quantity Etc. I would just say be gentle with the W key, hard braking will induce a skid everytime.
Fionn Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Alright, first things first, rise your seat up once long final, place FPM and chevrons in the middle of AoA brackets (which is exactly 14°). Flare gently while idle and extend airbrakes. When the touch occurs, hold your AoA as much as you can (do not exceed limit otherwise you might hit the runway with the aircraft's tail), tap on the brakes, do not apply full brake except below 70 kts, the NSW is automatically engaged below 40 kts and disengaged over 40 kts, so leave it on even in flight. When your speed is about 70kts, use the brakes the put your nose wheel gently on the runway. You can also use differential braking on the very last seconds of the landing if you have trouble maintaining the centerline. To conclude, once your main wheels touch the runway, leave your joystick alone, the FBW system will hold the aircraft AoA, so use your rudder to keep your centerline. Finally, train and repeat as much as you can - circuits training are a good way to get experience in many aspects of flights. Didn't see this post, this is great. The seat height is super important. You just can't see the threshold without it!
cmbaviator Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 True, I checked as to raise the seat is bigger vision How do you raise the seat ? CMB Sent from Tapatalk
Koriel Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 How do you raise the seat ? CMB Sent from Tapatalk You can find it by doing a search under the Mirage control settings. It's way quicker than replying to a thread and waiting for an answer..
Yurgon Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 How do you raise the seat ? There's a small switch on the right side of the seat that you can click. The keyboard controls can be found under Systems -> Seat Adjustment Up/Down with default assignment LSHF+s and LSHF+LALT+s respectively.
cmbaviator Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 There's a small switch on the right side of the seat that you can click. The keyboard controls can be found under Systems -> Seat Adjustment Up/Down with default assignment LSHF+s and LSHF+LALT+s respectively. Thank you CMB Sent from Tapatalk
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