Multirole fighters and DCS

[OrangeFr3ak]

Is there a limitation within DCS that restricts the player to fly only pure air-to-air planes with rudimentary ground attack capability (e.g. unguided rockets and bombs) and pure air-to-ground planes with basic anti-air capability (e.g. heat-seeking air-to-air missiles) only? Is this why there's no F-16, F/A-18, Rafale, Eurofighter, Gripen and F-15E modules as of now? The only existing way to fly these are via mods but then again certain features are missing.

[=DECOY=]

Eurofighter is in production

[mwd2]

F/A-18C is in production, too.

[=DECOY=]

F/A-18C is in production, too.

 

arrrh i forgot about that one :thumbup:

 

oh and dont forget the 2000c

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

arrrh i forgot about that one :thumbup:

 

oh and dont forget the 2000c

 

Isn't the Typhoon that VEAO an air-superiority optimized variant? I honestly know zilch about the Eurofighters.

 

Other than "Tranche" is a cool term. Tranche. Tranche.

 

And the Mirage we have? The RDI. It's really an interceptor more than multirole. Everyone should still get it, it's pretty much awesome.

 

Hornet, though, that's Multirole pure and simple.

[Silver_Dragon]

F/A-18C has in production and F-16 has "planned" by Eagle Dynamics, Eurofighter Bk1 has on production and Rafale / Grippen has "planned" by VEAO, RAZBAM has planned a F-15E module.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893

 

Actualy Ground Based radar has in production by ED to the F/A-18C. A-10C has mavericks, laser guided and GPS bombs. Su-25/-25T has other air to ground missiles and guided bombs

[=DECOY=]

 

Other than "Tranche" is a cool term. Tranche. Tranche.

 

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IM CONFUSED

 

TRANCHE meaning a portion of something, especially money.

"they released the first tranche of the loan"

 

 

am i missing something lol

 

Edited January 26, 2016 by =DECOY=

[WinterH]

F/A-18C is in development by ED. Eurofighter by VEAO though it is debatable how much EF is truly multirole, at least currently. That said, version VEAO does is mainly air superiority, with yet underermined possibility of having a TGP. Same with F-14B by Leatherneck, it may eventually have a TGP.

 

Currently no air-ground SAR & GMT type radar exist in DCS but ED is developing the tech for Hornet. Once they do, Razbam intents on doing an F-15E.

 

AJS-37 Viggen by Leatherneck may also be considered somewhat multirolish, by a bit stretch. This module will have a radar that is capable of ground mapping and also terrain avoidance, as well as at least some targeting/ ranging capability, but I think not GMT type mode.

 

The why part, you may notice majority of DCS modules strive to be as realistic as it gets and this require a big deal of declassified info, which tends to be harder to get. Also multirole fighters come with both more numerous and more complex systems than other aircraft, which translate into long and highly costy development. It is a lot of costy effort before any return of investment for those. I think combination of these lead to such modules scarcity. Some are coming, surely more will come, but I think they will always remain less numerous than other modules for forseeble future, due to these reasons.

Edited January 26, 2016 by WinterH

[Pikey]

tranche....slice. a part of, section. It was seemingly delivered in avionics related stages, hence that term that infers a part of the pie. I bet its merely a marketing equivalent of "It's something early to have whilst we finish our product".

 

IM CONFUSED

 

TRANCHE meaning a portion of something, especially money.

"they released the first tranche of the loan"

 

 

am i missing something lol

 

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[Flogger23m]

Eurofighter by VEAO though it is debatable how much EF is truly multirole, at least currently.

 

It isn't debatable. It is as multi role as the Mirage 2000C variant and the Su-27. Meaning it isn't. The Eurofighter variant we are getting is not a multirole one.

 

The F/A-18C is the only multirole aircraft in development that we know of.

[SkateZilla]

F/A-18C will likely be the first Modern Multirole DCS Module.

 

The was several technologies behind the F/A-18C that had to be developed before the F-18 could be developed.

 

A2G Radar being the Main One.

[Raven68]

And a bunch of new weapons to consider that will be added to the mix for the Hornet.

HARPOON stands out to me...

[OrangeFr3ak]

So that means the Eurofighter won't get Precision Munitions such as JDAMs, Paveways, Brimstones and such?

[Jester Darrak]

So, the RL Typhoon is basically in Early Access? Pre-Alpha? The DayZ of modern multirole fighter jets. It never gets done... :D

 

I'm really excited about multirole fighters. I see many Hornets moving up my pipper with a mixed loadout and over-confident people who think they can actually fight with bombs strapped! :D

[King_Hrothgar]

No, the RL Typhoon is the product of a dozen countries with wildly differing requirements for their fighter. Many of them do have extensive ground attack ability but others have basically none. The one VEAO is trying to make is the early UK model. The UK does not believe there is any scenario in which an aircraft might actually need to attack something on the ground.:P :tomato:

 

As for the OP's question, no, nothing preventing it. And most of the fighters in DCS are decent fighter bombers for their period. The whole "multi-role" thing is nothing more than a traditional fighter-bomber with the ability to drop modern bombs. Obviously, the ability to drop modern bombs generally requires the aircraft to be modern. The only truly modern aircraft in DCS is the A-10C. All the others predate widespread usage of PGM's.

Edited January 27, 2016 by King_Hrothgar

[Jester Darrak]

It's all in the budget. Most, if not all armies can't afford different aircraft for each type of role. It all started with the Phantom in Vietnam. First they only strapped iron bombs to it making it a fighter bomber. Then it got the SEAD and reconnaissance role. There is always the misconception that you can load HARMs, PGMs, Sidewinders and Slammers on either a Viper or Hornet and go Jack of all trades. As this is possible, you're still King of nothing. Multirole is just what the aircraft is capable of. The Viper and Hornet can all do such things but every squadron within a wing trains for their assigned role. There are dedicated SEAD, air defence, strike and CAS squadrons within a fighter (bomber) wing that use the same aircraft. But they don't go up arma-style as a special-forces-anti-tank-sniper-pilot. That's what many people don't understand but still want to do. It works theoretically. But no real life force really does it.

[Eddie]

No, the RL Typhoon is the product of a dozen countries with wildly differing requirements for their fighter. Many of them do have extensive ground attack ability but others have basically none. The one VEAO is trying to make is the early UK model. The UK does not believe there is any scenario in which an aircraft might actually need to attack something on the ground.:P :tomato:

 

No, it's the product of four nations with essentially the same requirements. With the U.K being the lead nation and also having the most capable aircraft of all the operators. Nobody has a greater Air-Surface capability that the RAF, the GAF are updating at pretty much the same time.

 

VEAO are simply producing an old PSC (3.35.0, I suspect) which is all but out of service.

[NeilWillis]

Isn't multi role another word for not very good at anything? (Don't bite, I didn't mean it!!!) After the F/A-18C arrives, we may see more added to the list because that is the vehicle for ground radar implementation.

[SkateZilla]

Once F-18C is done the flood gates will open.... whether thru ED or 3rd party, it wont matter.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Some posters here should read up the latest newsletter. Seriously, it'll make you happy!

[Sierra99]

Isn't multi role another word for not very good at anything? (Don't bite, I didn't mean it!!!) After the F/A-18C arrives, we may see more added to the list because that is the vehicle for ground radar implementation.

 

LOL your comment isn't too far off as implemented in the current "multi role" airplane being foisted upon the world. That being said...

 

I think previous generation aircraft did / do a better job as Multi-Role because they basic design was good. I'm looking forward to the F-18c but I'm more interested in what other aircraft will become available in addition to.

 

Sierra