DCS World Updates Discussion

[NineLine]

Is it safe to say weekly updates are a thing of the past until 2.5 maybe?

 

No, updates will come when updates are ready. Just happens there was no update ready for today.

[Raven68]

No, updates will come when updates are ready. Just happens there was no update ready for today.

 

Fair enough sir. Thanks for replying.

[some1]

I really hope that after 1.5/2.0 ordeal is finished, ED will start making regular updates again, or maybe they will come with a way for 3rd party devs to provide updates to their modules without the need to make a global DCS update at the same time.

[TomCatMucDe]

I really hope that after 1.5/2.0 ordeal is finished, ED will start making regular updates again, or maybe they will come with a way for 3rd party devs to provide updates to their modules without the need to make a global DCS update at the same time.

 

 

 

It's a pretty bad implementation that forces all third party to wait for ED to update. I hope this changes one day

[Davee]

It's a pretty bad implementation that forces all third party to wait for ED to update. I hope this changes one day

 

+1

 

Knowing updates are finished and awaiting deliver for the Mirage 2000C and having to wait several weeks for an ED delivery is not helping RAZBAM retain clientelle who may easily drift off to other products due to frustrations in place with takeoff issues for example.

 

How hard is it for ED to package up an individual developer's update and release it?

[NineLine]

+1

 

Knowing updates are finished and awaiting deliver for the Mirage 2000C and having to wait several weeks for an ED delivery is not helping RAZBAM retain clientelle who may easily drift off to other products due to frustrations in place with takeoff issues for example.

 

How hard is it for ED to package up an individual developer's update and release it?

 

3rd Party updates require testing when they are added to the core game, you can break the entire game with a bad module update.

[TomCatMucDe]

3rd Party updates require testing when they are added to the core game, you can break the entire game with a bad module update.

 

 

 

That's because of the current DCS architecture. I hope we see an improvement here one day. It would be a deep change I guess, probably in DCS 3.x

[SkateZilla]

3rd Party Devs Use Newer Builds than what Consumers are Running in R/OB/OA,

 

Releasing a Update to you guys directly would cause problems, especially if functions/code used in those updates aren't already integrated into your builds.

 

You're not gonna see much change as DCSW is CONSTANTLY Evolving and Adding Stuff.

[VincentLaw]

3rd Party updates require testing when they are added to the core game, you can break the entire game with a bad module update.

For that matter, it's easy for any modder to break DCS. Misplacing even one letter in one lua file can make DCS crash on startup. Bugs are easier to create than fix.

[Chief1942]

Patience!

 

I think ED spoiled a lot of folks with their frequent updates on Fridays.:D How long did we all wait for NTTR? "Two weeks"? :music_whistling:This community has patience, even though some will always complain, but where are you going to go?:( Flight Sim X? BMS? Didn't think so. I keep seeing the same screen names here on a regular basis, so in spite of the delays for everyone's favorite "fix",:( no one seems to be jumping ship in any great numbers.;) We are all drinking at the few remaining waterholes in the flight sim genre.

[Flagrum]

I think ED spoiled a lot of folks with their frequent updates on Fridays.:D How long did we all wait for NTTR? "Two weeks"? :music_whistling:This community has patience, even though some will always complain, but where are you going to go?:( Flight Sim X? BMS? Didn't think so. I keep seeing the same screen names here on a regular basis, so in spite of the delays for everyone's favorite "fix",:( no one seems to be jumping ship in any great numbers.;) We are all drinking at the few remaining waterholes in the flight sim genre.

What's your point? Do you suggest, ED should release patches less often and/or more irregulary? Because they "can get away with it" anyways?

[rjetster1]

Another rhetorical discussion… when we don’t get updates we complain, when we do get updates we complain.

[Buzzles]

What's your point? Do you suggest, ED should release patches less often and/or more irregulary? Because they "can get away with it" anyways?

 

I posted on this point before but my post vanished.

 

Flagrum, you've been around long enough to know this (nearly) weekly update is a new thing.

 

It used to be at least a couple of months between updates.

 

Just accept it that ED are trying to do frequent releases, but don't guarantee once a week.

[Flagrum]

I posted on this point before but my post vanished.

 

Flagrum, you've been around long enough to know this (nearly) weekly update is a new thing.

 

It used to be at least a couple of months between updates.

 

Just accept it that ED are trying to do frequent releases, but don't guarantee once a week.

And I replied to it ... before both were deleted. Let's not anger the god here ... I'll send you a PM.

[Chief1942]

Not my point!

 

What's your point? Do you suggest, ED should release patches less often and/or more irregulary? Because they "can get away with it" anyways?

 

My point is to exercise patience. You've been around long enough to understand the whole "In two weeks" thing. Getting all upset is NOT going to accelerate ED in their efforts to get us all the goodies they are capable of. It's their call now just as it has always been. My guess would be that those that are satisfied with ED's timetable and output outnumber the complainers by a vast margin. You could prove me wrong on that point, if so, have at it. Just advising patience, that's all.

[Flagrum]

I am not allowed to reply to that. A previous posting, similar to yours, and my reply to it were deleted yesterday and I am not risking a warning for rule number ... whatever forum rule that might have violated.

Edited June 11, 2016 by Flagrum

[some1]

For that matter, it's easy for any modder to break DCS. Misplacing even one letter in one lua file can make DCS crash on startup. Bugs are easier to create than fix.

 

It's the same with fsx/p3d, yet those simulators exist and function without the need for every 3rd party addon to go through central system.

 

On the other hand, a critical non-crashing bug in one of the modules that slips by Ed testing won't get fixed until Ed decides to release another update. May be next week, maybe next month,.

One valid point is that DCS is a moving target and devs depend on the new features added to the engine with every patch. But the more addons we get and the more 3rd party devs join DCS, the less sustainable this current approach will become.

[NeilWillis]

You have had an update just about every weekend since the release of EDGE. There have been probably 3 or 4 weekends without an update to either 1.5 or 2.0.

 

Just because you don't get one for a couple of weekends omn the bounce doesn't mean the end of the world. It just means one of two things...

 

It may be that testing has thrown up an issue that needs to be resolved before the release, or it may mean that there is a major planned release that is taking longer to effect than anticipated.

 

ED will simply not comment on the whys and wherefores of updates for exactly the same reasons they don't tell us a lot of things - the baying wolf syndrome that permeates this forum.

 

We will get an update as soon as ED are satisfied that one is appropriate. There is really nothing to debate is there!

[Flagrum]

You have had an update just about every weekend since the release of EDGE. There have been probably 3 or 4 weekends without an update to either 1.5 or 2.0.

 

Just because you don't get one for a couple of weekends omn the bounce doesn't mean the end of the world. It just means one of two things...

 

It may be that testing has thrown up an issue that needs to be resolved before the release, or it may mean that there is a major planned release that is taking longer to effect than anticipated.

 

ED will simply not comment on the whys and wherefores of updates for exactly the same reasons they don't tell us a lot of things - the baying wolf syndrome that permeates this forum.

 

We will get an update as soon as ED are satisfied that one is appropriate. There is really nothing to debate is there!

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2808214&postcount=542

[msalama]

A previous posting, similar to yours

 

+1

 

I, too, replied in a similar manner yesterday and the post was deleted. I just wonder why...

[T_A]

I think ED spoiled a lot of folks with their frequent updates on Fridays.:D

 

 

Its not about that, since 3rd party rely on ED to release update for their modules , and since there more and more third party modules , ED cant hold back updates anymore .

its a pretty complicated situation , it makes ED spend a lot more resources now chasing bugs instead of bringing new features.

perhaps we will see a change in DCS architecture one day that that would isolate the modules from the core DCS and allow separate updated, till then...

[Davee]

Annoyance transition to positive perspective

 

At first I was annoyed that updates to the Mirage 2000C ceased to be arriving weekly. The RAZBAM developers are excellent in dialogue in pursuit of negative and positive issues and in advising progress on subsequent correction and advising in general terms when the corrections/new features expect to be available.

 

This is the best interraction with a Dev that I have experienced when testing a module other than being an inside beta tester in the past. Bar none!

 

But . . . . methinks, that there is something much larger about to happen involving integration of features and the stage of development of the bigger update event - "converence of the versions".

 

Just a hunch on my part because, IMHO, it would be essential for ED to ensure that the latest updates on all modules, from all Devs, would integrate seamslessy at this stage and not compromise the major release of 2.5 or a stage thereto. It would be a PR nightmare for a glitch to compromise the greater event and a major blow to ED overall in terms of perceived product quality.

 

I do believe that the Devs and ED are acting in the best interests of the product. Having said that . . . . from my experience in project management, it is essential to have dedicated communications channels to manage client expectations. A brief word right now would be much appreciated.

 

It's all good in the end!!

Edited June 11, 2016 by Catseye

[rrohde]

Not sure what the issue is of having to wait a bit for some more updates? Just look forward to the next update, then, which will be more comprehensive - by definition. :)

[Flagrum]

Not sure what the issue is of having to wait a bit for some more updates? Just look forward to the next update, then, which will be more comprehensive - by definition. :)

Not sure what the issue is of letting us know up front that things now are handled differently than they were in the past months.

 

But if you like to have less frequent updates, you can always uninstall DCS. By your definition, you then can look forward to an infinite comprehensive update ... :D

[NineLine]

Guys there was no update this week, so there is nothing to discuss right now in this thread. Anything being discussed doesnt need to be.