Oculus Rift with DCS World Discussion

[Svsmokey]

To follow up on the texture mapping unit thing, I surveyed my team yesterday. We are all either on Rift or Rift S.

 

1060 (80 TMU): player is dissatisfied but he is competitive, plans to upgrade soon

 

1070ti (152 TMU): player is satisfied and very competitive

 

Most of our players are on 1080's (160 TMU) and I find myself using basically the same settings, getting the same performance with my Vega 56 (224 TMU). We can run high terrain texture, cockpit res 1040, medium shadows (depending on the server), med vis range, and either MSAAx2 or PD 1.2.

 

For comparison, I would submit the two best cards for DCS are probably the 1080ti (224) and the 2080ti (272). There's a marginal improvement here, you should be able to run MSAA and PD 1.2-ish at the same time, which I personally feel looks great. Wish I could do it, not sure I want to spend the $$$$ tho.

 

People are eager to see how the Radeon VII with its 240 TMU's fares in DCS (we will see if the theory holds).

 

Benchmarks in other games don't quite equal DCS.

 

I think there are some bargains out there, personally I'd drop $300 on a Vega or a 1080 before I'd spend $800 on a 2080.

 

But also some false economies, the 1060 might be one. And remember the action is always at the margins. Which I take it is the main gripe about the 2080ti, in DCS at least you get a marginal improvement over the 1080ti, at a really high cost.

 

None of this applies to HMD's with higher pixel counts than the Oculus, I imagine that's a whole nuther ball game

 

 

Interesting...thank you !

[Wicked.-]

To follow up on the texture mapping unit thing, I surveyed my team yesterday. We are all either on Rift or Rift S.

 

1060 (80 TMU): player is dissatisfied but he is competitive, plans to upgrade soon

 

1070ti (152 TMU): player is satisfied and very competitive

 

Most of our players are on 1080's (160 TMU) and I find myself using basically the same settings, getting the same performance with my Vega 56 (224 TMU). We can run high terrain texture, cockpit res 1040, medium shadows (depending on the server), med vis range, and either MSAAx2 or PD 1.2.

 

For comparison, I would submit the two best cards for DCS are probably the 1080ti (224) and the 2080ti (272). There's a marginal improvement here, you should be able to run MSAA and PD 1.2-ish at the same time, which I personally feel looks great. Wish I could do it, not sure I want to spend the $$$$ tho.

 

People are eager to see how the Radeon VII with its 240 TMU's fares in DCS (we will see if the theory holds).

 

Benchmarks in other games don't quite equal DCS.

 

I think there are some bargains out there, personally I'd drop $300 on a Vega or a 1080 before I'd spend $800 on a 2080.

 

But also some false economies, the 1060 might be one. And remember the action is always at the margins. Which I take it is the main gripe about the 2080ti, in DCS at least you get a marginal improvement over the 1080ti, at a really high cost.

 

None of this applies to HMD's with higher pixel counts than the Oculus, I imagine that's a whole nuther ball game

 

 

Totally agree. I upgraded my Zotac AMP Extreme 1080Ti for the RoG Strix 2080Ti and on Heaven benchmark the difference in minimum FPS (which is really all that matters) is 3 FPS. I did one comparison simply swapping out the Video cards in my new system which is in my sig. I did a separate comparison with my previous rig which is: i7 7700K @ 4.5GHz, 32GB 3200 memory, Zotac 1080Ti with stock core boost clock of 1.9GHz and Samsung 256GB Evo 960 M.2, against my new rig (again it's in my sig) and got the same results. The only performance increase was in max FPS which was around 100 FPS more for the 2080Ti. The max FPS doesn't mean anything because you're not hitting that frame count all the time but every once in a while. The minimum FPS tells exactly how far below 45 FPS you'll go which causes stuttering.

Edited June 25, 2019 by Wicked.-

[majapahit]

1080 lots of tinkering, smooth 45 fps multiplayer with all shadows Off (still looks great)

Tested recently with shadows high in a massive MP, 16 FPS but still smooth.

Stuttering you can prevent by finding the right (illogical) setting.

[Kirkey_badgers]

Looking at everything I think money and performance wise. I’ll get a vega 56 and eventually drop an EK waterblock on it so can undervolt and clock better close to 64 or better performance

[Kirkey_badgers]

Does this look a good deal? Wondering what the stand alone part is?

I know its blower design but I plan to watercool it eventually anyway

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powercolor-radeon-rx-vega-64-8gb-hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-stand-alone-gx-18v-pc.html

[DeltaMike]

Looking at everything I think money and performance wise. I’ll get a vega 56 and eventually drop an EK waterblock on it so can undervolt and clock better close to 64 or better performance

 

AMD has taken the fun out of it, undervolting is a one-click operation in crimson. unclear that overclocking does much, i'd try it first before investing in the water cooling. The reason why the vega56 is the el cheapo king is because it's... well, cheap...

[Kirkey_badgers]

AMD has taken the fun out of it, undervolting is a one-click operation in crimson. unclear that overclocking does much, i'd try it first before investing in the water cooling. The reason why the vega56 is the el cheapo king is because it's... well, cheap...

 

Cheers Mike, been a big help. Looking to get one this weekend. Seen a few different ones. Most people seem to recommend the pulse one as best all rounder. Although I have seen both a Strix and red dragon variant about £20 cheaper, although I am very local to overclockers. Or do I spend a little more and get the power color vega 64 at £320 albeit a blower design - as mentioned I already have a water cooled cpu loop, so won’t take much to get an EK block for the 64 and add it to the loop.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Kirkey_badgers

[DeltaMike]

Cheers Mike, been a big help. Looking to get one this weekend. Seen a few different ones. Most people seem to recommend the pulse one as best all rounder. Although I have seen both a Strix and red dragon variant about £20 cheaper, although I am very local to overclockers. Or do I spend a little more and get the power color vega 64 at £320 albeit a blower design - as mentioned I already have a water cooled cpu loop, so won’t take much to get an EK block for the 64 and add it to the loop.

 

All my prior experience with GPU's was in mining. We looked at the Vega64 as a dog, very prone to throttling, much easier to keep a 56 cool. We would undervolt and actually underclock the core, we were pushing the memclock. You got 90% of the performance with the 56, with better reliability and less money up front. With water cooling, and knowing the memclock doesn't do squat for DCS, for the same money I might lean toward the 64 to get a couple more TMU's.

 

I tended to hate cheap GPU's but powercolor did OK with mining, my MSI seems to be doing OK with DCS to my astonishment. Maybe they are all reference cards, I dunno. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd sink a lot of money into it, and I think you're right on it, gotta keep that little pig cool, that's the key to the whole thing.

[Kirkey_badgers]

All my prior experience with GPU's was in mining. We looked at the Vega64 as a dog, very prone to throttling, much easier to keep a 56 cool. We would undervolt and actually underclock the core, we were pushing the memclock. You got 90% of the performance with the 56, with better reliability and less money up front. With water cooling, and knowing the memclock doesn't do squat for DCS, for the same money I might lean toward the 64 to get a couple more TMU's.

 

I tended to hate cheap GPU's but powercolor did OK with mining, my MSI seems to be doing OK with DCS to my astonishment. Maybe they are all reference cards, I dunno. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd sink a lot of money into it, and I think you're right on it, gotta keep that little pig cool, that's the key to the whole thing.

 

To make the choice even more interesting, OCUK have a deal on this week so the 56's are now around the 270 mark or an ASrock one at £250. That one 64 is now £300 on the dot. Not sure which one go for, as you said performance is that close between the two.

[pimp]

Wow, I just turned off Hyperthreading in my bios and I got a real fps boost. I was around 70s-80s. I still have some ghosting issues even with ASW disabled. Also, the fps does seem like it gets stuck at 45, because if I look away and then back, the fps jumps back up to the 70s. I can do this every time unless it's around a congested area of the map. I don't have the time or patience to do the VR Test recommended by ED, but I have been flying Caucasus map with settings on high, MSAA 2x, & PD 1.5.

[Wicked.-]

Wow, I just turned off Hyperthreading in my bios and I got a real fps boost. I was around 70s-80s. I still have some ghosting issues even with ASW disabled. Also, the fps does seem like it gets stuck at 45, because if I look away and then back, the fps jumps back up to the 70s. I can do this every time unless it's around a congested area of the map. I don't have the time or patience to do the VR Test recommended by ED, but I have been flying Caucasus map with settings on high, MSAA 2x, & PD 1.5.

 

Sweet! I'll try that tonight.

[pimp]

So I turned HT back on to see how different the frames are, and I noticed I was getting about the same behavior. If I look away then back the frames would spike up, however I was getting a lot more stutters on the same mission & same settings.

[Wicked.-]

I used Process Lasso to have DCS run or real cores and later disabled HT in bios. I can't say I got a performance boost but it was definitely smoother. I tried a different approach to my settings today as well and after 4 straight hours online I'm keeping them.

First I set OTT to 1.6PD and move the slider in DCS to .5. MSAA at 2x, Anisotropic Filtering at 16x, both textures high, water high, civil traffic low or off, shadows off, visibility high, SSAA off, heat blur, depth of field, terrain object shadows, cockpit global illumination, verticle sync all off, trees 70%, preload radius maxed out, grass/clutter low, chimney smoke off, full screen and water droplets checked.

It looks like a whole new headset and I can spot targets past 8 miles but the pit looks gorgeous. YMMV.

[majapahit]

.. and move the slider in DCS to .5 ..

DCS PD = 0,5 ??

This can't be right?

[cdrkrotchetyusn]

DCS PD = 0,5 ??

This can't be right?

Oculus Tray Tool should override the PD setting in DCS...

[71st_Mastiff]

this latest release seems to have buggered the rift, I'm getting loss of tracking and blackouts all of a sudden. on Multiplayer in single player no issues.

[dburne]

this latest release seems to have buggered the rift, I'm getting loss of tracking and blackouts all of a sudden. on Multiplayer in single player no issues.

 

Try a repair of Oculus software. Download the installer and after launching choose to repair.

 

If that does not work, try the below:

 

Disconnect your computer from the internet.

Back up any Oculus content if you want to.

Reboot your computer into Safe Mode.

Uninstall Oculus Home using the Control Panel.

Delete all Oculus folders from here:

C:\Program Files

Remove any Oculus folders from here:

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData\Local

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData\LocalLow

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData\Roaming

Reboot your computer into normal mode.

Reconnect the computer to the internet.

Reinstall Oculus Home with a new installer by clicking here.

[71st_Mastiff]

Try a repair of Oculus software. Download the installer and after launching choose to repair.

 

If that does not work, try the below:

 

Disconnect your computer from the internet.

Back up any Oculus content if you want to.

Reboot your computer into Safe Mode.

Uninstall Oculus Home using the Control Panel.

Delete all Oculus folders from here:

C:\Program Files

Remove any Oculus folders from here:

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData\Local

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData\LocalLow

C:\Users\YourUserProfile\AppData\Roaming

Reboot your computer into normal mode.

Reconnect the computer to the internet.

Reinstall Oculus Home with a new installer by clicking here.

 

repair did the trick, 80 FPS on the Normandy on Burning Skies, @ 20,000 feet didn't see one FW or BF109. but there was 20 peeps on, just couldn't find them.

[Svsmokey]

repair did the trick, 80 FPS on the Normandy on Burning Skies, @ 20,000 feet didn't see one FW or BF109. but there was 20 peeps on, just couldn't find them.

 

My favorite Churchill quote:

"When you're going through hell-keep going!" :)

[Wicked.-]

Oculus Tray Tool should override the PD setting in DCS...

 

It does override it. For whatever reason, setting PD to 1.6 in OTT and .5 in DCS VR tab, then setting FSAA to 2x is letting me see aircraft out to at least 8 miles. They don't jump out at you but you can see them. It's kind of baffling since PD and FSAA are both supersampling.

[Kirkey_badgers]

All my prior experience with GPU's was in mining. We looked at the Vega64 as a dog, very prone to throttling, much easier to keep a 56 cool. We would undervolt and actually underclock the core, we were pushing the memclock. You got 90% of the performance with the 56, with better reliability and less money up front. With water cooling, and knowing the memclock doesn't do squat for DCS, for the same money I might lean toward the 64 to get a couple more TMU's.

 

I tended to hate cheap GPU's but powercolor did OK with mining, my MSI seems to be doing OK with DCS to my astonishment. Maybe they are all reference cards, I dunno. Like I said, I'm not sure I'd sink a lot of money into it, and I think you're right on it, gotta keep that little pig cool, that's the key to the whole thing.

 

I went with the pulse vega 56 in the end. I haven’t done any tweaking yet, seems to be a pretty good card. And was actually doing alright with resident evil 2 at 2160p. My build is newrly identical to yours, i have he 2600x.

Any guides on tweaking the card clock and volting? Did you flash a 64 bios to yours?

[DeltaMike]

I went with the pulse vega 56 in the end. I haven’t done any tweaking yet, seems to be a pretty good card. And was actually doing alright with resident evil 2 at 2160p. My build is newrly identical to yours, i have he 2600x.

Any guides on tweaking the card clock and volting? Did you flash a 64 bios to yours?

 

I just auto-undervolt. I read one review suggesting that worked as well as anything. Regardless, I have a long way to go before I can kick things up to the next level, eg adding msaa. I just want to keep it cool.

[laura]

disappointing upgrade so far

 

I have had DCS for a long time but just getting back into it. I recently got the Rift S and while it is good the graphics "at least for me " do not see to be on par with the discussions I read. I had a gtx 980 and just upgraded to the radeon 5700 xt. I am getting pretty much the exact FPS and jitter issues as I did with the 980. Fairly new and still reading/trying tweaks but so far I can fly for more than 10 minutes due to the lack of detail/jitter.

 

My system

i7 5820k @ 4.3

32 gb ram

ssd drive for dcs install

Radeon 5700 xt 8gb

 

Oculus rift s.

 

980 40 or so fps

5700 xt 40 or so fps

 

both have jitters in cockpit, some texters "like rivets" and such

[Svsmokey]

I have had DCS for a long time but just getting back into it. I recently got the Rift S and while it is good the graphics "at least for me " do not see to be on par with the discussions I read. I had a gtx 980 and just upgraded to the radeon 5700 xt. I am getting pretty much the exact FPS and jitter issues as I did with the 980. Fairly new and still reading/trying tweaks but so far I can fly for more than 10 minutes due to the lack of detail/jitter.

 

My system

i7 5820k @ 4.3

32 gb ram

ssd drive for dcs install

Radeon 5700 xt 8gb

 

Oculus rift s.

 

980 40 or so fps

5700 xt 40 or so fps

 

both have jitters in cockpit, some texters "like rivets" and such

 

You didn't mention your DCS graphics settings . Start with the VR preset , and increase the settings gradually according to your own priorities . Start with pd 1.2 as well , and slowly increase as necessary .The 40 frames you will always see if your system cannot maintain 80 . I find the Oculus debug tool ( in the Oculus directory) useful as well . I disable "adaptive graphics performance" and ASW with it .

[laura]

I'll give those a try. I have tried default vr settings as well as med and low. They all hover around 40. What is the deal with the graphics twitching. Items in the cockpit seem to be on drugs and move around.like a latch on the canopy.