CPU - 6th Generation or wait for 7th?

[Krupi]

Hi chaps,

 

Currently waiting for my CV1 to arrive and was debating whether or not to upgrade now from an i7 930 to either a i5 6600/i7 6700 or wait for the 7th generation.

 

From the little information I have gathered on the Internet the 7th generation won't be a large step up from the current generation that will happen with the 8th generation.

 

So what would you do, wait for more on the 7th generation i7 7700 or upgrade now to the i5 6600 or i7 6700?

 

P.S. From what I have read upgrading from my i7 930 to a 6700 will give me quite a bit more FPS do you concur?

[agrasyuk]

The first gen "i" CPUs were not something to write home about, so I would say updating today is very reasonable. I think you will feel the perf improvementeven without any benchmarks and gain some power efficiency as well. That said those are still relevant CPUs (my tertiary PC was i7 950 untill I sold it month ago) and can get stuff done.

 

Somehow I doubt kaby lake will offer huge performance over the skylake

 

At the end whether you want to wait further though is up to you and your budget.

Edited May 23, 2016 by agrasyuk

[Gladman]

Don't bother waiting. Current CPUs are more than enough. Your rift is going to need new GPU before a next Gen CPU.

[SkateZilla]

IMHO, CPUs are hitting a Performance Wall...

[Krupi]

Okay, thanks for the advice I won't wait.

 

Now is the i7 6700K worth the £100 price hit over the i5 6600K?

 

Thanks again

[BitMaster]

Okay, thanks for the advice I won't wait.

 

Now is the i7 6700K worth the £100 price hit over the i5 6600K?

 

Thanks again

 

 

Yes if you spend more time on your PC and you call some video and audio files on that PC your own, play other games and may like to surf with more than 2 tabs open and dont have to bother about closing excel word and outlook to free ressources...workstation like

 

No if you only use your PC for DCS and some few other things but mainly avoid that thing !

 

 

The i7's strength over an i5 is better multitasking in scenarios where more than 1 app works with more than 1 core....

 

iTunes, Handbrake, VMware, many games etc...

 

 

I would rather invest in an i7 and buy other stuff a month later, 4 threads are things you cant buy afterwards !!!

[SkateZilla]

P.S.

 

AMD Zen FX-xxxx Will have Double the Performance of the FX8350 and Compete w/ the 8 Core Intel Offerings.

 

October will be good for AMD, and hopefully Competition brings prices down some.

[HiJack]

Buy the current best i7 but just the CPU don't make the system fast. You need a top notch mainboard also, don't save money on it! Also memory have huge impact on performance, buy the more expensive one's. It is as all other things, you get what you pay for.

[Krupi]

Okay, awesome thanks for the help chaps.

 

I am currently looking at this...

 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/defcon-2s-gigabyte-ga-z170x-sniper-configurable-overclocked-skylake-bundle-bu-072-og.html#t=b1c1

 

With the i7 6700 and 18gb

 

~£600

 

Will keep my GPU for another couple of years.

[agrasyuk]

Buy the current best i7 but just the CPU don't make the system fast. You need a top notch mainboard also, don't save money on it! Also memory have huge impact on performance, buy the more expensive one's. It is as all other things, you get what you pay for.

 

Any chance to see performance comparison between a top notch motherboard and something on the lower side within say 150$ given same CPU?

 

Any chance to hear the actual reason to get the i7 over i5 for DCS purposes? As in how exactly HT and the additional cash mem impacts performance.

 

I'm genuinely interested to hear answer to this as I can't justify purchase of either high end MB nor I can tell a benefit of 6700 over 6600. On the memory side I preffer to not pay premiums for pretty heatsinks

[Krupi]

I would start here Agrasyuk :)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2624490&postcount=2

[agrasyuk]

That is a good read, yes. Seen it . I guess it's a good opportunity to again thank the person that compiled it.

from that read it can be concluded:

1. No performance gains in DCS from similarly clocked i7 over i5 Skylake (actually for some reason 6600 is above).

2. MB difference not discussed.

3. Impact of memory speeds is of few FPS at best - perhaps not negligible, but not really "huge" in my books.

Hence I asked hiJack to clarify his post.

[Gladman]

All the research I have seen suggests faster clock RAM has such a minimal effect the money is simply not worth it. Maybe if you are an elite gamer but that doesn't fit the bill for most of us.

[HiJack]

There is a difference in MB:

http://us.hardware.info/category/1/motherboards/testresults

 

There is a difference in memory as well:

http://us.hardware.info/category/20/memory-modules/testresults

 

Of course selecting the better hardware will give your system more frames. And if you are going to OC your system this will also help it to be stable at a higher frequency. But if you buy the CPU just to run it at stock frequency you can go for some of the cheaper parts for sure. :)

Edited May 23, 2016 by HiJack

[Maximus_G]

Hi chaps,

 

Currently waiting for my CV1 to arrive and was debating whether or not to upgrade now from an i7 930 to either a i5 6600/i7 6700 or wait for the 7th generation.

I wouldn't bother:

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-950-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6600K

 

DCS likes MHz, so a new 4000MHz i7-6700 would be nice vs an old 2800MHz i7-930. However if you feel like it's time to play with hardware, you could quite easily overclock your old buddy to ~3500MHz. And wait till Christmas )

Edited May 23, 2016 by Maximus_G

[HiJack]

True. Buy a CPU that you can overclock a lot. But then you need a mainboard that can hold it stable, and memory that don't fry.

[Hadwell]

A 2600K at 4.6GHz is roughly the same as the 6600K at 4.3GHz if you look at benchmarks...

 

E.G.

 

you get 60 FPS in a CPU bound game with a 2600K at 4.6GHz

 

you get 60 in FPS the same CPU bound game with a 6600K at 4.3GHz

 

just a made up non-existent game that magically gets exactly 60fps at 4.6ghz to make life easier specifically for an explanation.

Edited May 23, 2016 by Hadwell

[Gladman]

Here's a good chart based comparison for Ram speed.

 

http://gearnuke.com/spent-ton-money-gaming-ram/#

[agrasyuk]

There is a difference in MB:

http://us.hardware.info/category/1/motherboards/testresults

 

There is a difference in memory as well:

http://us.hardware.info/category/20/memory-modules/testresults

 

Of course selecting the better hardware will give your system more frames. And if you are going to OC your system this will also help it to be stable at a higher frequency. But if you buy the CPU just to run it at stock frequency you can go for some of the cheaper parts for sure. :)

 

memory speed difference in DCS was shown to be 3 when stepping up from 2133 to next teir. that extra 10$ i'm ok paying.

 

but as far as boards you (and obviously MB manufacturers) really have me stumped. what is it on those higher boards that make system faster? now obviously we talk overclocking so yes better power circuitry will give better stability , but just how much is enough? during this winter i bought cheaper z-170 p d3 (i have to much ddr3 ram on hand), pretty much as basic as z170 can get. i'm clocking the 6600K at 4.5Ghz on it at the moment. tested over 24 hours with prime to be stable, booted to win at 4.6Ghz and worked for some time as well untill i stepped down. this with auto voltage and auto everything. so the cheap board is solid , past 4.6Ghz we entering the realm of higher volts, coolers more serious then CM Evo V8 (don't know what was i thinking when i got it several years ago) and silicone lottery with the CPU anyways.

right now i'm shopping for another 6600K system, this time dedicated DCS machine. and i'm really trying to quantify what is it that my money gets me as far as MBs.

mobo 1 vs mobo 2.

they both will overclock perfectly well and stable past 4.5 (my target). SLI , fancy heatsinks and other whistles are irelevant for DCS purpose.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but you seemed very enthusiastic about higher end hardware so i would honestly love to hear your opinion on what is it that commands over twice the price. that do i get for my extra 160$ (and that is not the most expencive MB either...) that is DCS relative? i just can't wrap my mind around it.

[HiJack]

Good deal.

[B2Blain]

memory speed difference in DCS was shown to be 3 when stepping up from 2133 to next teir. that extra 10$ i'm ok paying.

 

but as far as boards you (and obviously MB manufacturers) really have me stumped. what is it on those higher boards that make system faster? now obviously we talk overclocking so yes better power circuitry will give better stability , but just how much is enough? during this winter i bought cheaper z-170 p d3 (i have to much ddr3 ram on hand), pretty much as basic as z170 can get. i'm clocking the 6600K at 4.5Ghz on it at the moment. tested over 24 hours with prime to be stable, booted to win at 4.6Ghz and worked for some time as well untill i stepped down. this with auto voltage and auto everything. so the cheap board is solid , past 4.6Ghz we entering the realm of higher volts, coolers more serious then CM Evo V8 (don't know what was i thinking when i got it several years ago) and silicone lottery with the CPU anyways.

right now i'm shopping for another 6600K system, this time dedicated DCS machine. and i'm really trying to quantify what is it that my money gets me as far as MBs.

mobo 1 vs mobo 2.

they both will overclock perfectly well and stable past 4.5 (my target). SLI , fancy heatsinks and other whistles are irelevant for DCS purpose.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but you seemed very enthusiastic about higher end hardware so i would honestly love to hear your opinion on what is it that commands over twice the price. that do i get for my extra 160$ (and that is not the most expencive MB either...) that is DCS relative? i just can't wrap my mind around it.

 

I am in the process of building my own 6600k system. I have a Gigabyte Gaming 3 Z170X. I have not decided on the brand and type of DRAM. I know I want 16 GB and want to keep it under $100. I was looking at 3000 MHz. Correct me if I am wrong - doesn't faster/better ram help with overclocking the CPU? Or is overclocking DRAM and overclocking the CPU two different processes.

 

Thanks,

Blain

Edited May 24, 2016 by B2Blain

[Nash]

My advice would be to wait for a few more months for the AMD Zen and Polaris release and then decide.

Reviews and rumours suggest more performance for less price with AMD ...:thumbup:

I am in the same boat as you but am sitting this round out till the launch of AMD Polaris and Zen to see which one is more futureproof ...

Just my 2 cents ... :)

[agrasyuk]

HiJack, no problem. I'm really happy that you removed your previous reply substituting it with the more informative one with the 2 links (;)) . I get the concept "you get what you pay for" and I'm ready to pay, I just want to find out what is it that I'm getting aside of pretty heatsinks and "warm fuzzy feelings". So far when I asked a trained (I would think) sales associate in store that question I couldn't get anything solid either.

 

I am in the process of building my own 6600k system. I have a Gigabyte Gaming 3 Z170X. I have not decided on the brand and type of DRAM. I know I want 16 GB and want to keep it under $100. I was looking at 3000 MHz. Correct me if I am wrong - doesn't faster/better ram help with overclocking the CPU? Or is overclocking DRAM and overclocking the CPU two different processes.

 

Thanks,

Blain

In K processors the multiplier is unlocked. you can set the CPU at whatever speed you can sustain (thermally under load), motherboard will figure out the proper ratios to your RAM by itself. The cheap D3 Asus i mentioned earlier does it perfectly, so I'm sure other boards do that too.

It is possible to overclock non K CPUs too, that's when it starts to be tied to the speed of RAM. Others will be able to explain it much better then me as I never bothered with BCLK.

[B2Blain]

Thank you to everyone for their advice! Should I use the following as a guide to select my DRAM? I'd like to spend under $100 for 16 GB. I noticed that the tests used the XMP settings. I am not familiar with this setting but it appears to be related to overclocking.

 

http://us.hardware.info/category/20/memory-modules/testresults

 

I'm thinking of this....

 

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3000MHz-PC4-24000-Memory/dp/B0134EW7G8/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1464377339&sr=8-4-fkmr0&keywords=Corsair+Vengeance+LPX+Black+16GB+DDR4-3000+CL16

 

or this.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-PC4-25600-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC?ie=UTF8&keywords=Corsair%20Vengeance%20LPX%20Black%2016GB%20DDR4-3200%20CL16&qid=1464377287&ref_=sr_1_fkmr0_1&sr=8-1-fkmr0

 

Opinions?

 

Thanks!

[HOTAS]

My 2 cents: Get 2x16 - Holds value plus space for upgrade which is really important!

Found really nice deal if somebody interested: I think personally 32Gb for $120 worth the deal

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-2x16GB-PC4-19200-Systems/dp/B01CYILUB8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1465887364&sr=8-5&keywords=Corsair+Vengeance+LPX+32GB

Edited June 14, 2016 by HOTAS