We desperately need more eastern bloc aircraft

[Angelthunder]

Why not some 1st or 2nd generation fighters in DCS? In my opinion we have enough simulators concentrating on WW2 already and it would be great to see some early jet era dogfights in DCS. Hawker Hunter or Su- 7 would be really amazing.

 

My personal favorite is the imposing and powerful Su-7. In the theaters it operated, it had gained profound reputation with its offensive capabilities. With a weapons system centered on a powerful dual NR-30 cannon and the sheer brute power of Lyulka AL-7F, Su-7s were quite effective in sweeping in at extremely low level, pulverizing bunkers and semi-armored vehicles with very accurate rocket attacks. Flying mostly through intense anti-aircraft fire they were brutally effective in this punishing role.

 

Although vulnerable operating against fortified air defenses in battles, Su-7s had a reputation of being built extremely tough. They have demonstrated their ability to absorb far greater punishment than other aircraft types and has recorded instances of being able to make it back to base despite suffering extensive damage.

 

I’ve read that during the Indo-Pakistani war of 1971, an Indian Su-7 hit by a sidewinder was able to return to base with half the rudder missing, the elevators, ailerons and flaps severely damaged, and half the missile stuck in the chute pipe. The Su-7 is an exceptionally robust aircraft. I’d love to see them in a future Arab-Israeli theater or Indo-Pakistani theater.

 

I mentioned this aircraft a couple of days ago in the Leatherneck Sims fourm about what their next jet aircraft would be after the Tomcat.Razbam is already making the Mirage IIIC,so i would love to see this aircraft as AI or flyable someday,so the Mirage III can have something to attack.Same goes for it's swept-wing successor the Su-17.

[Orange]

I mentioned this aircraft a couple of days ago in the Leatherneck Sims fourm about what their next jet aircraft would be after the Tomcat.Razbam is already making the Mirage IIIC,so i would love to see this aircraft as AI or flyable someday,so the Mirage III can have something to attack.Same goes for it's swept-wing successor the Su-17.

 

Awesome. Thanks for the info. I've just posted in the Leatherneck forum too

[carss]

I don't think there is any official announcement of anyone working on a Mirage III is there??

 

Also if you want a good 1/2 gen jet, if I may recommend one that's not Russian or Chinese, it's the HAL Marut, which was an Indian aircraft and was designed by Kurt Tank the designer of the legendary Fw-190!

 

[Darkbrotherhood7]

I don't think there is any official announcement of anyone working on a Mirage III is there??

Yes, RAZBAM confirmed the Mirage IIICJ.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=167803

[EGG]

If 4th gen jets run into legality issues, I'd still like (prefer really, to tell the truth) a number of the 3rd gen jets; Su-15TM, MiG-23BN, MiG-23MLD, Su-17, MiG-19. Or certainly MiG-25 if it was considered early enough.

 

Heck, I'd love a Tu-128.

[carss]

How about a Kfir? I know it's Western or so it's considered, but it'll be a great addition. Also we should look at some Chinese and Indian planes too, not just Russian

[QuiGon]

How about a Kfir? I know it's Western or so it's considered, but it'll be a great addition. Also we should look at some Chinese and Indian planes too, not just Russian

 

I don't really see why a Kfir would be a great addition to DCS. Could you elaborate?

 

I mean it's just a (heavily) modified Mirage 5 (the export variant of the Mirage III), so why not choose the Mirage 5 (or even better the Mirage III) which saw wider use than the Kfir?

Edited August 24, 2016 by QuiGon

[carss]

I just thought so since it would be a great addition for an expansion in aircraft and use of weapons. For the first time we could use some purely Israeli weapons on it, and possibly a Mid Eastern Israeli map as well for it

[Fer_Fer]

I don't really see why a Kfir would be a great addition to DCS. Could you elaborate?

 

I mean it's just a (heavily) modified Mirage 5 (the export variant of the Mirage III), so why not choose the Mirage 5 (or even better the Mirage III) which saw wider use than the Kfir?

 

its an interesting piece of kit, so that alone makes it worth adding.

that being said, i'd like to see a J-8 and JH-7 at some point in the future

[Capn kamikaze]

It's funny a long time ago in a flight sim far far away people where asking for more western aircraft, this all started with the Su-27, then we got the Su-33 and the MiG-29K, then we lost the K, and got the A and G and S, and the Su-25, and now the shoe is on the other foot, even in DCS for a while it was heavily in favour of the eastern block, the west only had the A-10A and C, and the F-15.

 

So far most of the western stuff is still in development, and it's not like what we do have now puts the west in a better position than the east, the west has trainers and helicopters, the east has trainers and helicopters, the west has the Mirage, F-86 and F-5, the east has the MiG-21 and 15, and they were developed first.

 

So to be fair it's not that badly out of balance, once the developers finish their current projects then maybe they'll look at some other eastern aircraft, complaining about it won't really help, there will be developers who want to do it, if they can get enough information to do a half decent job of it, some may have to be educated guesses though.....

[Pronin]

Its not complaining.

 

It is simply voicing the opinion and hopefulness that there will eventually be more eastern aircraft.

 

Most people are wanting to abandon FC3 so its not really balance until they have some more full fidelity.

 

Hopefully in time it will even out. Modules take long time.

[Domcho]

Wow, I didn't know we got a MiG-29K and then lost it. I started playing DCS almsot 2 years ago. Anyway before I began my adventure as a virtual pilot I watched DCS World overview by Wags where he stated we will get a Su-27SM, but recently after some info digging :book: I found this: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1839764&postcount=223

 

Everything is subject to change... unfortunately :(

 

Even though we won't get the Su-27SM, at least not in the near future, I believe they will develop the Su-27S to full fidelity (not that it will change it's combat capability but it will at least make it fully realistic with the advanced systems). After all, why are almost all of the buttons and switches inside the Su-27S cockpit animated? :music_whistling:

 

[Capn kamikaze]

That was back in Flanker 2.5

[carss]

That was back in Flanker 2.5

 

That was actually in LOMAC, it was there as an addon

[DaveRindner]

Hi fidelity MIG-29M2 or K with PFM and ASM would be most welcome. At least by me. Along with F-16C/D Block50/52.