Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[Sierra99]

I'll just quit flying if they'll come back :D

 

Everyone complains about the AARAMS...why?

 

Are AAMRAMs actually modeled incorrectly? If so, how? If they are modeled incorrectly, has the information been submitted to ED to be fixed?

 

OR...

 

Are AAMRAMs modeled correctly and simply a great weapon that's hard to defeat?

 

What are the facts?

 

Sierra

[Frostie]

Everyone complains about the AARAMS...why?

 

Are AAMRAMs actually modeled incorrectly? If so, how? If they are modeled incorrectly, has the information been submitted to ED to be fixed?

 

OR...

 

Are AAMRAMs modeled correctly and simply a great weapon that's hard to defeat?

 

What are the facts?

 

Sierra

 

With the limited payloads, no 120, ER, ET the ranges are closed down giving the likes of the MiG-21, F-5, Su25 and A-10 a fighting chance.

[D4n]

Add to that a D2M ... with R-27 I'm genuinely surprised when it hits.

what's D2M? My R-27T actually always hit the target if it doesn't flare, R-27R is another story... :P (Never hits if target chaffs, or?)

[Fedduk]

what's D2M? My R-27T actually always hit the target if it doesn't flare, R-27R is another story... :P (Never hits if target chaffs, or?)

 

Its the system that detect launches, so if you will launch R-27T at mirage he'll know. And pop flares. And the R-27T will miss.

[-Pilot-]

The administrator, what is it?

Comment on this.

[*Rage*]

I agree with Sierra99. War is unfair. Everyone should be spamraaming-split S'ing the living daylights out of everyone else.

[Pronin]

Everyone complains about the AARAMS...why?

 

Are AAMRAMs actually modeled incorrectly? If so, how? If they are modeled incorrectly, has the information been submitted to ED to be fixed?

 

OR...

 

Are AAMRAMs modeled correctly and simply a great weapon that's hard to defeat?

 

What are the facts?

 

Sierra

 

 

The scenario Blue Flag is running is good because it simulates a time period where both sides were pretty even, around 1985ish

 

After collapse of Soviet Union, US jumped ahead, got AMRAAMs, and at that point its simply not as fun. Nothing to do with realism, just not as fun.

 

I think most people here agree that a cold war gone hot scenario with no actives is simply more entertaining because it is more even.

[levanoga]

Blue Flag does not simulate any proper time period because where the hell did you saw A-10C's flying in the cold war?

 

Blue Flag is simply just a scenario the guys over at Buddy Spike thought would make an interesting match.

[D4n]

Its the system that detect launches, so if you will launch R-27T at mirage he'll know. And pop flares. And the R-27T will miss.

 

U kidding? Mirage has same any-missile-launchdetector as A-10C ???

[Pronin]

Blue Flag does not simulate any proper time period because where the hell did you saw A-10C's flying in the cold war?

 

Blue Flag is simply just a scenario the guys over at Buddy Spike thought would make an interesting match.

 

I didn't say its perfect, but its good enough in my opinion.

 

At least their weapons are restricted as well.

[Oceandar]

U kidding? Mirage has same any-missile-launchdetector as A-10C ???

You obviously don't have the M2K, do you ? The D2M is life saver and game changer. Go to Razbam forum and read the hot thread about it.

[Frostie]

Don't use R-27T because it is a flying airbrake, easily seen and decoyed plus d2m, don't use R-73 because of the most of before, so use only R-27R the slowest SARH in game with half the range of anything else. Strangley Flankers are the poor mans fighter with any of the communities fixed idea of what weapon restrictions should be. Bring on the R-27ER and lets have a bit of Flanker love for a change. :D

[OnlyforDCS]

The usual suspects are out in force, demanding and pushing to get their way. Often using superlatives to make an argument, instead of facts.

If a Mirage is outmaneuvering you in the Flanker, you are flying it wrong. I don't believe what people will do to get the upper hand on the one server where the Mirage can compete equally with the big jets.

 

Hey I have an idea, lets remove the missiles on the Mirage. That would be great. Yeah make Blue Flag Great Again!

 

Mods please moderate this thread.

Edited February 25, 2017 by OnlyforDCS

[Oceandar]

This is such rubbish. I have never detected a R-27T or ET missile with the system. The system is very limited and looks at a very limited angle to the back and below the plane.

I guess you're the unlucky one, it saved me many times both from air and ground threat missiles.

[Oceandar]

Don't use R-27T because it is a flying airbrake, easily seen and decoyed plus d2m, don't use R-73 because of the most of before, so use only R-27R the slowest SARH in game with half the range of anything else. Strangley Flankers are the poor mans fighter with any of the communities fixed idea of what weapon restrictions should be. Bring on the R-27ER and lets have a bit of Flanker love for a change. :D

With your skill I don't think you need ER, Frostie. I've seen you made great kills and scores high in BF ;) with those you called underpowered missiles. Now I certainly need ER badly :D

[*Rage*]

ER/ET were in service at least 3 years prior to 120A and 8 years prior to 120C.

[karambiatos]

ER/ET were in service at least 3 years prior to 120A and 8 years prior to 120C.

Speaking of which.

 

How come the A has disappeared from the loadouts options?

[*Rage*]

It's no longer in service. But many things in DCS (and BF) are no longer in service.

[Cisco]

I have really only ever used the 120C's. How much does it differ from the 120B?

[Frostie]

I have really only ever used the 120C's. How much does it differ from the 120B?

 

More chaff resistance.

B is a better choice as a dogfight missile.

[D4n]

You obviously don't have the M2K, do you ? The D2M is life saver and game changer. Go to Razbam forum and read the hot thread about it.

 

I do have it but didn't learn it yet as it's very complicated (still things changing in patches right?) so MiG-29S is easier to fly and has HMD sight with thrust-vectoring R-73... :P

 

Why is server offline? Any idea Cisco? (at least http://gadget.buddyspike.net/ shows it as offline) saddest day of my life! :/ (jk)

Edited February 25, 2017 by DanielNL

[gregzagk]

Server is back online after an error during mission restart.

 

Greg

[CrashO]

And just died 5 times again in the last 15min :D

[M0ltar]

Don't use R-27T because it is a flying airbrake, easily seen and decoyed plus d2m, don't use R-73 because of the most of before, so use only R-27R the slowest SARH in game with half the range of anything else. Strangley Flankers are the poor mans fighter with any of the communities fixed idea of what weapon restrictions should be. Bring on the R-27ER and lets have a bit of Flanker love for a change. :D

 

Have to agree with you on this. The flanker, if you are not in the hills is a waste of space now. Same goes for the 29. Something really needs to be done about the balance for the red side. I have to get most, if not, all of my kills with the 73. Even then, with the mirage have D2M and its a miss sometimes even when they have no idea that I am there. Yes, I know Im complaining. Let me vent. :)

 

On top of that, and I've been saying this for awhile now, all of the strike aircraft and helis need to be available on both teams. That will solve a lot of the team balance issues. No idea why the blue team has the A10 and the su25 while red only has the 25. Yes, I know that its probably for SEAD, but that takes any advantage that red has in that arena. And before you say, but red has the KA50, the ka50 is not an a10. Plain and simple. The A10 is the best ground attack aircraft in the game, by far. Lets go back to round 5 and 6 setups where attack aircraft were on both teams and the fighters were the only thing separate.

Edited February 26, 2017 by M0ltar

[Alpenwolf]

Have to agree with you on this. The flanker, if you are not in the hills is a waste of space now. Same goes for the 29. Something really needs to be done about the balance for the red side. I have to get most, if not, all of my kills with the 73. Even then, with the mirage have D2M and its a miss sometimes even when they have no idea that I am there. Yes, I know Im complaining. Let me vent. :)

 

On top of that, and I've been saying this for awhile now, all of the strike aircraft and helis need to be available on both teams. That will solve a lot of the team balance issues. No idea why the blue team has the A10 and the su25 while red only has the 25. Yes, I know that its probably for SEAD, but that takes any advantage that red has in that arena. And before you say, but red has the KA50, the ka50 is not an a10. Plain and simple. The A10 is the best ground attack aircraft in the game, by far. Lets go back to round 5 and 6 setups where attack aircraft were on both teams and the fighters were the only thing separate.

+1

 

Ever since round 9 ended I haven't flown one time on BlueFlag. Flew the rounds before and during the testing phases permanently so I though about skipping the testing part this time and wait for round 10. Well... It's been quite a while now. And of course the balance issue has ruined the fun for me as a Flanker or basically Red pilot. I'd love nothing more than totally seperate everything accordingly and give every coalition their actual planes and helicopters if and it's a big IF balance or at least semi balance was guaranteed. But it's not. The Froggy being given to the Blue guys without giving the Red guys the A-10C is simply inapprehensible to me and every BlueFlag buddy I know. I've always posted the idea of allowing each time of having a certain number of player and never more; e.g. 32. So even if outnumbered or lacking a good number of players on one side the unbalance will still not be massive. We all know it was 35-45 players vs whatever was available for the other team in the last 2-3 rounds for quite long hours. So at least that problem would be solved.

 

After all, I'd love for round 10 to eventually start and hope for fun times!

 

S!