Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[Thrud]

Anyone have the IP of the BF server? I'm not seeing it in my multi-player server list. I was going to try to connect to it via IP. It's not there after I updated.

 

** N/m found it**

 

91.205.184.66:10308

 

**appears offline**

Edited July 13, 2017 by Thrud

[levanoga]

 

That's why planes sometimes disappear from clean sight and you see only missile coming from nowhere, losing eye tracked target or you cant spot IR signatures on thermal vision devices. Near and far clipping also screw vision. That sucks and now we know why. Moded games shouldn't go on competitive MPs. Period. I would introduce CRC check for hard cored servers of this kind.

 

Suddenly, everybody is worried about textures? If you don't have anything to hide play on original ones. Otherwise go for SP and push space shuttle mods as long as you like.

Why would someone be special in any kind in MP? Mods, no way. Ciribob, push the limits even more on this.

 

My support to ED about this little nasty feature.

 

Do you even realize that SimpleRadio is also a mod? Do you realize that the default terrain textures are copy/pasted Google Earth images where you can see smeared buildings from Google Earth bellow the building objects? Do you know that since 1.5 is out that the FLIR WHOT/BHOT view is so broken that you can barely see units as apparently ground has the same temperature as a running tank engine and this is only fixable with mods?

 

 

There are obvious reasons why. In RL we all have the very same textures and DCS is Simulator, right?

 

Let me give an example: Every major sport event have same strict rules for all - no exceptions. Everything else is manipulation and prone to disqualification.

 

So I say: No mods on BF! Dislike and go change the server. Simple as that - No hard feelings.

 

DCS a simulator? Is that why TF-51D's are refueling whole airbases? Is that why helos can drop several ton heavy SAM units from magical crates? :megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol:

And comparing sports to video games?:megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol:

Whats next? You gonna tell us that we all need to have same PC specs, same internet speeds, same joysticks, if one guy has TrackIR and the other guy doesn't, both should play without it? Should I go buy the same chair as you have so my ass won't have an advantage over yours?:megalol::megalol::megalol::megalol:

Edited July 13, 2017 by levanoga

[M0ltar]

Anyone have the IP of the BF server? I'm not seeing it in my multi-player server list. I was going to try to connect to it via IP. It's not there after I updated.

 

** N/m found it**

 

91.205.184.66:10308

 

**appears offline**

My guess is that admins have it either on 1.5.6 still or are working on it post update.

[jackmckay]

Let me make a little mod. All enemy shadows are gonna be pinky. Clipping plane tweak will make me disappear from anyone 250m away. Maybe another mod for plane skin alpha on 100% so it will be invisible on some button input. etc.. BS.

 

I say NO. Same rules for all and that means same visual experience. Only that way we all have same opportunities. Other is BS. For FPS you have graphics settings because this is not PlayStation. Wont discuss gear because that was not issue. Problems with textures should be addressed to ED.

 

SRS is NOT a mod its a standalone software that reads radio freq settings from DCS and sends audio stream online. Tacview was also misused for unfair SA, that's why we have 10 mins delay now because some people thought that they are smarter than the rest. Prove that online without mods if you're worthy. Leave little tricks for SP.

Edited July 13, 2017 by jackmckay

[M0ltar]

Let me make a little mod. All enemy shadows are gonna be pinky. Clipping plane tweak will make me disappear from anyone 250m away. Maybe another mod for plane skin alpha on 100% so it will be invisible on some button input. etc.. BS.

 

I say NO. Same rules for all and that means same visual experience. Only that way we all have same opportunities. Other is BS.

 

SRS is NOT a mod its a standalone software that reads radio freq settings from DCS and sends audio stream online. Tacview was also misused for unfair SA, that's why we have 10 mins delay now because some people thought that they are smarter than the rest. Prove that online without mods if you're worthy. Leave little tricks for SP.

 

Nothing that you just said has anything to do with texture mods. I don't even think you can edit all of the stuff you even brought up. Texture mods don't edit the shadows. They simply change the texture files nothing more and nothing less. Liveries on planes I don't believe can be changed as it is the server that shows them.

 

Also, the IC already prohibits a lot of things that are game breaking from being changed.

 

If the stuff that you brought up really exists, please show me as I am sure it doesn't work anymore so you wont have to worry about anyone abusing it, but it sounds like you just named things that you thought would give people an advantage without showing any proof that anyone actually used it.

 

The only one that I know of is people running winter only textures, but I still don't see that as really an issue. If it makes them feel like they can spot things easier then so be it.

[Ciribob]

Sorry to say - server is offline until further notice.

 

Can't get the server to stay up - will be running closed tests to narrow down what it is. No errors or logs so tricky to work out.

 

Please don't argue about mods here, not really a BF topic as we will always run with IC on in actual rounds :)

 

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[Tirak]

Let me make a little mod. All enemy shadows are gonna be pinky. Clipping plane tweak will make me disappear from anyone 250m away. Maybe another mod for plane skin alpha on 100% so it will be invisible on some button input. etc.. BS.

 

I say NO. Same rules for all and that means same visual experience. Only that way we all have same opportunities. Other is BS. For FPS you have graphics settings because this is not PlayStation. Wont discuss gear because that was not issue. Problems with textures should be addressed to ED.

 

SRS is NOT a mod its a standalone software that reads radio freq settings from DCS and sends audio stream online. Tacview was also misused for unfair SA, that's why we have 10 mins delay now because some people thought that they are smarter than the rest. Prove that online without mods if you're worthy. Leave little tricks for SP.

 

You seem to be the only one who has a problem with Cockpit mods, terrain texture mods, ect, so you are welcome to take yourself off to your own server. Quality of life mods like English Cockpits for the MiG, Viggen and Mirage do in no way impact the game performance of others or give unfair advantage, nor do ground texture mods to improve the visual experience for the players.

 

The big thing you seem to miss, trying to compare Blue Flag to major sporting events, is that Blue Flag is not a sporting event, it's a sandbox game run by players with a similar desire for a red vs blue style combat environment where we get to shoot at hostile appropriate aircraft, rather than endless mirror matchups. We are not playing for prize money, nor international recognition, we're playing for fun.

[microvax]

Sorry to say - server is offline until further notice.

 

Can't get the server to stay up - will be running closed tests to narrow down what it is. No errors or logs so tricky to work out.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=190539 Probably this ?

[M0ltar]

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=190539 Probably this ?

I don't see anyone in that server saying anything about crashing though just performance. I wish ED would be more forthcoming with patch notes instead of just the stuff about aircraft.

Edited July 13, 2017 by M0ltar

[Alpenwolf]

Been a long week for me with some overtime at work. Would be great if the server could be ready by tomorrow for some weekend clashes :thumbup:

[jackmckay]

When it will be up?

[Ciribob]

When it will be up?

When it's fixed...

 

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[jackmckay]

Hey Ciri-Sherlock :) What about placing trigger zones with rule: no plane/chopper in zone all! units inside state green or off. Could be raytracing less intensive/less lag. Reduce trigger zones for EWRs too. What you think?

[AbortedMan]

Hey Ciri-Sherlock :) What about placing trigger zones with rule: no plane/chopper in zone all! units inside state green or off. Could be raytracing less intensive/less lag. Reduce trigger zones for EWRs too. What you think?

 

Don't trigger zones themselves take just as many resources as ray tracing actions?

[iLOVEwindmills]

btw, can the paintscheme selection thing be turned off? Or limited in what you can select from the server's side?

 

Might be a bit of an issue in IFFing certain aircraft otherwise.

[Dino Might]

Let me make a little mod. All enemy shadows are gonna be pinky. Clipping plane tweak will make me disappear from anyone 250m away. Maybe another mod for plane skin alpha on 100% so it will be invisible on some button input. etc.. BS.

 

I say NO. Same rules for all and that means same visual experience. Only that way we all have same opportunities. Other is BS. For FPS you have graphics settings because this is not PlayStation. Wont discuss gear because that was not issue. Problems with textures should be addressed to ED.

 

SRS is NOT a mod its a standalone software that reads radio freq settings from DCS and sends audio stream online. Tacview was also misused for unfair SA, that's why we have 10 mins delay now because some people thought that they are smarter than the rest. Prove that online without mods if you're worthy. Leave little tricks for SP.

 

:doh:

 

In every game I play, there's always this guy. Tell you what - set up your own DCS league, where everyone must have the same exact computer with the same monitor and the same HOTAS, and same graphics settings, and you can all play in "Major League DCS" for prize money or ultimate bragging rights or whatever you think the goal of this game should be. The rest of us will continue on as we have enjoying a PvP (barely competitive) environment where the end goal is just to have fun.

 

Hey Ciri-Sherlock :) What about placing trigger zones with rule: no plane/chopper in zone all! units inside state green or off. Could be raytracing less intensive/less lag. Reduce trigger zones for EWRs too. What you think?

 

And I'm sitting here wondering why you haven't put together the mother of all servers that everyone wants to play, with your infinite wisdom and superior intellect. We are in breathless anticipation for you to grace us with your superiority in all facets of this game.

 

....

 

See how a condescending tone makes you want to ignore any kind of input?

Edited July 14, 2017 by Dino Might

[Tj1376]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your hard work Team Blue Flag admins. Today (my Saturday) I had to play on other servers that offered a similar setup and I found them no where near as fun as BF.

 

Thanks again for everything you guys do. Good luck trying to get the 1.5.7 issues squared away.

 

TJ

 

 

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[StandingCow]

Let me make a little mod. All enemy shadows are gonna be pinky. Clipping plane tweak will make me disappear from anyone 250m away. Maybe another mod for plane skin alpha on 100% so it will be invisible on some button input. etc.. BS.

 

I say NO. Same rules for all and that means same visual experience. Only that way we all have same opportunities. Other is BS. For FPS you have graphics settings because this is not PlayStation. Wont discuss gear because that was not issue. Problems with textures should be addressed to ED.

 

SRS is NOT a mod its a standalone software that reads radio freq settings from DCS and sends audio stream online. Tacview was also misused for unfair SA, that's why we have 10 mins delay now because some people thought that they are smarter than the rest. Prove that online without mods if you're worthy. Leave little tricks for SP.

 

Dude, no... for some the TGP is useless and unrealistic with the vanilla textures.

 

Let's play a little game called spot the tank, you tell me if you can find the tank (there is one) in this TGP image I took of an older build:

And another:

 

This is one reason, besides looks, that texture mods are beneficial. Now the REAL fix would be for ED to add realistic IR signatures for vehicles, but I am not sure that will ever happen.

Edited July 14, 2017 by StandingCow

[QuiGon]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your hard work Team Blue Flag admins. Today (my Saturday) I had to play on other servers that offered a similar setup and I found them no where near as fun as BF.

 

Thanks again for everything you guys do. Good luck trying to get the 1.5.7 issues squared away.

 

TJ

 

+1 :thumbup:

[RedBat07]

Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

 

btw, can the paintscheme selection thing be turned off? Or limited in what you can select from the server's side?

 

Might be a bit of an issue in IFFing certain aircraft otherwise.

 

 

 

No! IMO It is great what they did by letting you paint your airframe as you like it! Be it as friendly or maybe take enemy skin! If you are unable to IFF then is something wrong in communication with teammates!

 

And one more thing about textures.. I used and enoyed bartheks textures for the last month and now its dissapointing to go back to default after using better ones. For those who think that they provide you God spotting skills I will ask have you tryed them and deleted them after because they are no good and why not? How about stop whining, respect people and enoy this great game?

 

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Edited July 14, 2017 by RedBat07

[Krippz]

Dude, no... for some the TGP is useless and unrealistic with the vanilla textures.

 

Let's play a little game called spot the tank, you tell me if you can find the tank (there is one) in this TGP image I took of an older build:

 

 

This is one reason, besides looks, that texture mods are beneficial. Now the REAL fix would be for ED to add realistic IR signatures for vehicles, but I am not sure that will ever happen.

 

Can you do this in the current build because apparently this was improved.

[StandingCow]

Can you do this in the current build because apparently this was improved.

 

Not until the weekend, anyone can go grab a screen shot of a tank in the TGP though.

[Ciribob]

Update

 

Due to lag & Heavy stutter for chopper pilots on 1.5.7 and stability issues BlueFlag is on hold until the next update.

 

Will work through and report any bugs not already reported internally :)

 

Regarding skins - Swapping skins only shows client side (its just for you) so doesnt need to be disabled as it doesnt affect anyone else.

Edited July 14, 2017 by Ciribob

[*Rage*]

:(

[jackmckay]

:doh:

 

In every game I play, there's always this guy. Tell you what - set up your own DCS league, where everyone must have the same exact computer with the same monitor and the same HOTAS, and same graphics settings, and you can all play in "Major League DCS" for prize money or ultimate bragging rights or whatever you think the goal of this game should be. The rest of us will continue on as we have enjoying a PvP (barely competitive) environment where the end goal is just to have fun.

 

 

 

And I'm sitting here wondering why you haven't put together the mother of all servers that everyone wants to play, with your infinite wisdom and superior intellect. We are in breathless anticipation for you to grace us with your superiority in all facets of this game.

 

....

 

See how a condescending tone makes you want to ignore any kind of input?

 

Listen up.

 

Nobody said that we all have to have same gear. That’s your construction. Because we all don’t have same gear there is a feature called graphics settings that make people have good enough FPS on different hardware to play fluidly and that was not the issue here. Read my posts again.

 

Check this out:

In every MP game I used to play there were some cheaters with mods. Then that game became so screwed that all good players abandoned the ship. So then came Integrity Check and said FO to the mods. Praise the IC.

 

Don't like the original textures? Address that to the ED.

 

Me superior? Doesn't have to be so but thank you for your appreciation. I'm actually an IT professional. That’s my graduate education. And I recognize traps when I see one. No smart ass for that only years of blue screen coding from time of execution command of system OSes. I don’t have time to code MP campaigns but if BF becomes cheaters corrupted and in spare time available I could serve some MP server. And that is not the point here. I appreciate Ciribob’s effort and I want to help by throwing some ideas while pointing out the cheater potential flaw. If you disagree you’re probably closer to dark side by not knowing that at all.

 

So take a look at that A10 MFD up. No tank seen and we know that it should be there.

- Don’t you think that that specific "tank" could be an airplane in some other situation?

- Could be.

- Clipping plane fixed by textures?

- Cool.

- Could clipping plane be reversed?

- Hell yea.

- How?

- By texture mod setting file.

- What would it do?

- It would make close contact invisible (side effect would be beautiful patterned textures that can’t fix all texture misalignments).

- Right?

- Right.

- Is that cheat?

- Hell yea.

 

Get it?

 

I paid a lot for this "simulator" and I want it to be clean of BS, at least on MP. So I salute every feature that ED throws against cheaters.

 

Anyway it’s MY opinion and I throw it here with arguments. We don't have to get along. And I really, really like guys talking in EVREYONE's name. Such an argument. :music_whistling:

No more from me about this topic. Same with anuses and opinions. Everyone has one. :pilotfly:

 

Ciribob, If you need some help PM me. :thumbup: