"sound-radar"...official opinion on it?

[Aginor]

I also think that should be fixed.

Even outside of a cockpit, at airshows with props you can tell that when something as loud as a P-51 Mustang engine starts up less than 50m away from you, you almost can't hear a AN-2 at full takeoff power 200m away from you. It is much worse for the pilot.

So as (almost) always I vote for the more realistic option.

 

Determine if sim is in internal view, determine if engine is running. If both statements are true, mute every sound from outside that happens more than 50m away, probably with the exception of explosions or sonic booms.

That may not be really realistic either (almost nothing in the sim is, and that's ok), but it is at least more believable.

 

Does that hamper situational awareness?

Yeah, sure, as it should. Planes are loud. If you don't turn your head (and plane if necessary) and look around you are doing it wrong.

[rogonaut]

+1

[Solty]

I haven't tested it, but does the in helmet sound option help this?

 

No, because it is optional, so the guy u are attacking might have it off, not to mention it still let's the external sound through and makes you loose some fidelity of sounds of your own airplane

[Zilch]

It is pretty silly to hear another prop plane from inside of another.

 

Once I did hear some aircraft from inside another, but I was inside a 737 at idle holding ahort and the other planes were F-16's taking off really close with full afterburner. Yeah, in that situation, you'd hear them.

 

A P-51 sneaking up behind a FW-190, who's pilot is sitting a few feet behind a V-12 at 2600 RPM at high altitude? Probably not.

 

If we're going for realism, there is only one correct option.

 

I feel bad for people trying to spot targets...I'm one of them. But, hey, TrackIR sells for a reason and we don't have an auto-padlock key for people who don't own one.

 

Go real or go home, as they say...or at least go to War Thunder or Ace Combat.

[Diesel]

+1

[Dr_Arrow]

It is pretty silly to hear another prop plane from inside of another.

 

Once I did hear some aircraft from inside another, but I was inside a 737 at idle holding ahort and the other planes were F-16's taking off really close with full afterburner. Yeah, in that situation, you'd hear them.

 

A P-51 sneaking up behind a FW-190, who's pilot is sitting a few feet behind a V-12 at 2600 RPM at high altitude? Probably not.

 

If we're going for realism, there is only one correct option.

 

I feel bad for people trying to spot targets...I'm one of them. But, hey, TrackIR sells for a reason and we don't have an auto-padlock key for people who don't own one.

 

Go real or go home, as they say...or at least go to War Thunder or Ace Combat.

 

+1

[golani79]

I hope they get rid off the sound radar - it´s just really annoying if you sneak up on someone who doesn´t see you but breaks away in the last moment because he can hear you.

 

I can´t imagine that it would be that hard to find a solution for the problem.

[Nate--IRL--]

I believe this arises from the Dynamic compression used by the Sound engine. This was an improvement made in the early DCS days and one I've hated ever since.

 

It Dynamically normalises the Volume of Sounds in the game world. It is like the compression used for the "Loudness wars" on digital music. The Most dramatic effect of which can be felt on the Supersonic Boom of an aircraft Flyby.

 

In LockOn this was a thunderous Boom, with plenty of Dynamic Range between quiet and loud, in DCS it sounds like a wet fart. The Current sound engine normalizes quiet sound up in volume and noisy sounds down, in real time, in order to avoid clipping.

 

This strips all sound in DCS of all Dynamic range, removing detail from the sound-scape and produces oddities such as Sound Radar.

 

From Speaking to c0ff about this very issue (quite some time ago though), it is unlikely to be fixed.

 

Nate

[DefaultFace]

From Speaking to c0ff about this very issue (quite some time ago though), it is unlikely to be fixed.

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Sad to hear this. Strangely enough I know of at least one sound mod for the 109 (IDB v2.0 by 5utka) that manages to fix it. It's possible he just made the engine so loud in comparison that you couldn't hear it anymore. TBH idc how ED does it but since it is clearly possible by modders I would hope that they could get it done as well....

[Aginor]

Yeah that's really bad. :(

EDIT: Fun fact: I thought that the really bad sounding sonic boom was an error of my speakers or sound card or something until I read about it...

[gavagai]

Sad to hear this. Strangely enough I know of at least one sound mod for the 109 (IDB v2.0 by 5utka) that manages to fix it. It's possible he just made the engine so loud in comparison that you couldn't hear it anymore. TBH idc how ED does it but since it is clearly possible by modders I would hope that they could get it done as well....

 

You can still hear other aircraft near you with his mod if you idle your engine. But otherwise, yeah, it is an improvement.

[DefaultFace]

Ok. Tbh I would prefer hearing them at idle to hearing them always though. The time where hearing aircraft makes the most difference is when being Boom and Zoomed. Usually aircraft are running at at least cruise power then so i'd guess it would at least solve that problem.

[CripesAMighty]

Any update or comment on this? It is incredibly important this gets fixed from a tactical perspective.

[Echo38]

Yeah. I've been saying for years, this is the largest flaw with DCS as a simulator, by far. All of the other flaws with the simulation of each aircraft are relatively little things, but this is big and global. Richthofen himself couldn't have replicated his success in DCS, because of this sound physics error.

[Brigg]

yeah this needs to be sorted as it totally kills the element of suprise in the BnZ

[SlipBall]

From the reports of WW ll pilots that flew the jug, I believe it true that you could in fact hear other aircraft and also her gun's

[Andy1966]

:smilewink:Hello, My 2 cents worth....

 

I'm sorry but.. if a 1500 to 2200 HP engine is on your 6 from shooting distance...with a 2 inch stack on the Exhaust,... maybe the first thing you should hear is the cannons...

what I'm trying to say is maybe I should have seen him before he/they got so close...:pilotfly:

Edited August 22, 2017 by Andy1966
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[CripesAMighty]

People can seriously abuse this for their own unrealistic gain. The video below is an example of what I'm talking about. This pilot has added a sound mod that passes the integrity check.

 

This pilot checks his six at exactly the moment he 'hears' a 109 at 300 yards behind him. A 109 which is 10x louder than a Packard Merlin 3ft away:

 

 

This is a fundamental and serious issue.

[Fulcrum29]

 

 

Fulcrum29

Edited February 7, 2021 by Fulcrum29

[Andy1966]

yea, I see what you all mean now... however, the first engagement was 3 vs one and the gunnery was poor on 51s part... however the helmet and ambient noise of the aircraft should have negated it somewhat (the sound of the enemy aircraft)it also sounded like they had the cockpit sounds turned way down and the world sounds turned way up.... there is no way to balance GUI from that aspect... but sound mods should trip Integrity Check ,I agree

[PorcoRosso86]

I just now noted the thread about me, so just repeat the comment on youtube

 

"I exporting what? All players got the same levels and hear the other planes, but isn't an help. The sound is only a thing that you could help, but you check the six with the eyes. But is totally ridicolous, you can see the other videos from other players, and the level is same.

 

Btw this is happened (not now, remember you that new mp check don't permits mods) only with the K-4, and not doras. But I break also a Dora flight on my six.

Honestly don't think that the sound levels could be so interpreted"

 

Maybe before to open "brown candies" storm and downvote on yt, check the video date

 

S!

[SlipBall]

As inconvienamt as it might be, the sounds that is. We are only here for the realisum and so must accept the good and the bed...other aircraft could be heard 75 years ago according to those pilots

[PorcoRosso86]

Anyway they are right, is a bit unrealistic e a bit helpful (but not so much in the end), but honestly never tought that loud sound could help.

Not now, mp chek It should prevent it, so I think isn't a currently problem

[philstyle]

As inconvienamt as it might be, the sounds that is. We are only here for the realisum and so must accept the good and the bed...other aircraft could be heard 75 years ago according to those pilots

 

Really, have you got a source for that?

I have been hunting for this information for a long time and have been unable to find it. I have only the following:

 

1. Johnnie Johnson mentioned in "Wing leader" that he could hear his own Canons over the top of the "roar" of his engine. This alone suggests how loud the spitfire is for the pilot flying it.

 

2. There is a quote in Brian Kingcombe's book where he says he flew so close to a Dornier 17 that he heard the rear-MG chatters has passed under it. No mention of hearing its engine. He claims he was within 20 yards at the time.

 

3. I have a mate who is currently a S/L in the RAF flying the Hawk. He told me that he cannot hear his wingmen unless they zoom past at full thorttle, or if he is flying directly under their tail in tight formation. Obviously this is jets.. so less relevant to warbirds, but still gives us some clues.

 

4. There is only one video online I can find with tight formation flying in warbirds that doesn't have music over the top. It is very hard to tell from the audio if there are other ewngines present besised the aircraft where the camera is located. I certainly can't pick out the other aircraft engines even when they are less than 20 feet away - but we can't vouch for the quality of the recording device and it's frequency range:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxvzYxptgHA

 

5. I've never read a single combat report or pilot memoir where the noise of an enemy aircraft tipped the pilot off to his presence.

Edited August 23, 2017 by philstyle
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[Schnarre Aggro]

People can seriously abuse this for their own unrealistic gain. The video below is an example of what I'm talking about. This pilot has added a sound mod that passes the integrity check

This is a fundamental and serious issue.

if you dont do it its your own fault, around 80% of all onlinepilots use it because they probably dont want to have a disadvantage over the others

 

 

Wow, blatant cheating going on by exploiting the sound engine and the integrity check, so much for "integrity".

Fulcrum29

WOW ... really ??? ... its an Ingame option to hear these sounds(hear like in helmet OFF->soundradar; ON-> No soundradar) and you call somebody you never spoke to a cheater ?? .... pretty poor imho ... if i were you, i would apologize

 

As inconvienamt as it might be, the sounds that is. We are only here for the realisum and so must accept the good and the bed...other aircraft could be heard 75 years ago according to those pilots

Please ... speak for yourself .... i for my part am here to have fun and because nobody actually has to die

 

 

Just as a genereal sidenote:

i generally dont use it(tried it since 2 days but i turn it off again because i dont like the sound of the engines with it), and i dont like it!

BUT it is built in the game and therefore it isnt a cheat - its a fact and we all have to deal with it.

dont use it - have a disadvantage over the guys using it.

use it - feel bad because "some guys on the internet said that pilots 70years ago heard it"

 

its up to everybody himself , but PLEASE stop call guys cheaters because theyre using ffeatures built in the game.

if you dont like playing against people who use it - maybe better stick to singleplayer

please dont tell others how to play theire game .... its getting old