maukings Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 :mad: Can the su27 ever be out turned by the f15? I think not. I keep playing against tech and I try all kinds of things and he always manges to flip the stupid su and get me. Your opinion? I saw a thread like this a while ago but couldnt find it.
S77th-GOYA Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 It can but you'll black out before it happens.
Force_Feedback Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 With the ACES II you can, otherwise, maybe by snapping off some wings Okay, this thread will be cloded in 7 pages, place your bets. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
SVK_Fox Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 and how many fuel do you had? Check it also!
GGTharos Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 Yeah, you can beat the 27 in a turn, if you're doing 420kts or so. Sustain your turn, dont' burn speed - KEEP SPEED. F-15's fight with SPEED. If you get slow, you better have him in your pipper or its over for you. And use 'reduced G', it's actually more realistic than 'realistic G'. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
maukings Posted December 27, 2006 Author Posted December 27, 2006 f15 had 52% su had 48%. His tactic is quite simple. He flies really low and then making a tight left turn while ascending. This is where he takes advantage of the su's turning The only way I have managed to get a couple of hits is doing a vertical attack and getting a couple of snapshots but not enough to dissable him.
GGTharos Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 So if you expect him to do this, light your burners as you're say, 2-3 turn radii from the merge, and blow through - once he completes his turn, pull up into an ascending defensive spiral and drop back down on his head. If you want more info find me on 44th TS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Ukr_Alex Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 And use 'reduced G', it's actually more realistic than 'realistic G'. Oh yea? Never knew about that. :Core2Duo @ 435FSB x 7 3.05GHz : ATI x1900xtx: 2GB Patriot @ 435Mhz : WD 250Gb UATA: Seagate 320Gb SATA2: X-Fi Platinum:
RvETito Posted December 27, 2006 Posted December 27, 2006 and how many fuel do you had? Check it also! Indeed! Be sure to have no more than 40%-50% on-board before merge. Because 100% fuel load of the Su-27 means something different- since it hasn't been designed to carry external fuel tanks it has them mounted on-board. 9000+kg fuel is used only for long flights like CAP or ferry flights and with so much fuel the a/c has a limitation of 5.5Gs. For guns only dogfight I'll suggest you no more than 4-4.5tons. I usualy start with 40% gunzo fights be it online or offline, fuel quantity is a crucial factor for the Su-27's performance. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Scart Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Actually everything depends on pilot's skills. Both of the a/c are truly dangerous. Also F-15 can manage a progressive final turn for entering a firing position, which Su-27 can't. But in most cases of online gunzo Su-27 manages to be a winner if. (fuel load 40% - Su-27; 56% - F-15C). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] летаю на заказ, дорого... "The FlankerForce"© -=приостановлено=- Лучшее средство завоевания господства в воздухе - танк посередине ВПП © не установлено АХТУНГ! эксперды атакуют! Только отсутствие разведанных запасов нефти в Антарктиде, удерживает пингвинов от демократии.
MBot Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 How many of you play with the 'realistic g'-setting ? Cause with those settings the F-15 has way too much power for my taste. When easing the Gs to prevent blackout the Eagle accelerates like crazy and I have to throttle back. This means I usualy fight without afterburners alltogether to keep my speed somehow under controll ( still the plane keeps wanting to go above 500 kts ). Does this work any better with the reduced G settings ?
Weta43 Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 There's a LONG thread discussing the effects of G's on pilots if you search for it. Reduced is probably more realistic than full. Cheers.
Pilotasso Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 Defeating the SU in a eagle? Dont do his game, i.e. going low and slow in a turn contest. Its preferrable not to slow down to his speed and use any speed advantage to climb out of his guns range and play the energy game on him. The F-15 matches the flanker up higher also. .
Black_Hawk Posted December 28, 2006 Posted December 28, 2006 There's a LONG thread discussing the effects of G's on pilots if you search for it. Reduced is probably more realistic than full. URL? I've been searching for an hour now and I'm giving up... 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
124SqZeljava Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 :mad: Can the su27 ever be out turned by the f15? I think not. I keep playing against tech and I try all kinds of things and he always manges to flip the stupid su and get me. Your opinion? I saw a thread like this a while ago but couldnt find it. Try to fly with CenterMass, he is better player in f15.
A.S Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 Any jet can "kill" any jet ......... DACT [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Raimir Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 Offcourse it can, try to understand and practise http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_040a.html With AI on Average option its easy. LockOn SVK Squad bomber. "Flight sim is not about to know everything about aircraft, but to know which button must be pressed in crucial time." - dead virtual pilot
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HungaroJET Posted February 9, 2010 Posted February 9, 2010 :mad: Can the su27 ever be out turned by the f15? OUCH !!! :book::poster_ban::chair::pain::badmood::spam_laser::animals_bunny::poster_oops::poster_offtopic::tomato: Atop the midnight tarmac, a metal beast awaits. To be flown below the radar, to bring the enemy his fate. HAVE A BANDIT DAY ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "When I'm working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." - R. Buckminster Fuller (1895 - 1983), American Architect, Author, Designer, Inventor, and Futurist
Pyroflash Posted February 10, 2010 Posted February 10, 2010 >_< If you aim for the sky, you will never hit the ground.
mikoyan Posted February 11, 2010 Posted February 11, 2010 OUCH !!! :book::poster_ban::chair::pain::badmood::spam_laser::animals_bunny::poster_oops::poster_offtopic::tomato: yeah just before the merge drop a a few feet under him and the do a loop you would compensate for his smaller turn radius and the use power management to keep your turning performance, at leas that work for me at the guzo only server last weekend (I rarely fly the eagle) y was able to down some flankers that were just pulling like crazy confident on their fantastic turn radius. but honestly the best way tu outturn a flanker is with another flanker :thumbup: I also got killed once because the excess of speed on the eagle (my fault) made me black out. :pilotfly:
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