Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50 Throttle

[Karon]

No idea, have you checked Virpil's site?

[Len62]

No manual yet. I believe Cyph3r is working on one, but it may be a while before we see it. There are a few knowledgeable folks about who seem to have figured it out. I can load the device profile and test everything but I haven't been brave enough to fiddle with the buttons, toggles, etc.

[Karon]

I haven't used the software yet but if you have questions related to the hardware go for it, I'll try to answer if I can.

[mdee]

Is There a Manual for this thing ?

 

Nope, what do you want to do? I may be able to help.

[Guppy]

Mail me your throttle. I’m sure I can figure it out. ;)

[prawnabie]

Mine is now in Poland, hopefully will get it next week, I can then sell my 5 month old warthog to recoup some of the cost!

[AizenSousuke]

Any July 1st week orders for international stores around here? Got the shipping notification already?

[MustangSally]

Any July 1st week orders for international stores around here? Got the shipping notification already?

 

 

Mines June 28...no shipping notification as yet.

[unknown]

I ordered mine May the 10th via the EU store and got the Throttle delivered today. (Shipping time including 1 weekend: 6days) :thumbup:

Everything works out of the box so far, no calibration needed.

[Mars Exulte]

So, update in using the new throttle. It feels fantastic, and most everything is very very good. I'm about to focus on flaws, but bear in mind the majority of the product is of top tier and I'm very satisfied with it. The flaws I've noticed are as follows:

 

The roller axis on the front of the grip has jitter in it. Not real bad, but it's there. It's the only axis that does, and I'm assuming is one of the cheaper potentiometers. It would have been better to use a quality axis here, as well, tack $5 onto the price or whatever if necessary.

 

The little round hats are ok, but they're unnecessarily difficult to move around. The shape is not conducive to good control. Some variant of a castle hat, or just something with more pronounced edges/directions would have helped alot. That one lower hat does not have a solid downward click. I'm going to take it apart and see if it's bound up somehow.

 

The encoder/push buttons along the front share a trait I've experienced on most encoders I've used (including the DSD control panels) in that I turn one direction, and the other direction occasionally triggers as well. I turn that way, and the OTHER direction occasionally triggers as well. I see encoders on a lot of devices, and in my experience they always suck and are virtually unusable. I don't know how these things are made to know WHY they do that, but it seems most of them do. As a result I'm unlikely to use these as anything besides straight push buttons.

 

That's it. The roller axis, the hat ergonomics, and the encoders. Everything else is not just good, but great. Overall I rate it a 9/10.

[AizenSousuke]

EU Guys are getting their throttles already... wondering if any international guy have gotten their shipping notification already?

 

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[Mars Exulte]

Nvm I think I fixed it. I reloaded one of the default profiles with it

 

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The #1 mode switch will not accept an LED color change. The other four do.

 

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There's jitter in all the axises that weren't there before so much that I saw. Maybe interference with the cable? It's plugged into a PCIe USB extension.

Edited September 3, 2018 by zhukov032186

[dvndmmy]

I thought I'd share my two cents too.

 

Mostly he things I'd like to be better. The throttle is good and well-built. I don't have any jitter on any of the axes. Did not notice any phantom presses on the rotaries after firmware update and re-calibration today. The hats all work fine and have distinguishable actions, no issues here also.

 

1. The pot axes (the wheel and two dials) don't have tactile feedback, in the sense that you can't tell their position while in VR. Some physical notch or something would be great. You can't sense the bump until you rotate through/into it.

 

2. The center bumps on the pot axes are very pronounced and you need some deadzones on them, otherwise 1-3% rotation cannot be used in the game - the axes are physically returned to the center at these values.

 

3. The friction on the handles is not even - the left one has more friction than the right one (I don't have that tricky force-sensing screwdriver you are required to adjust the friction as per the manual, and has never needed one before).

 

4. The friction on the handles might be stronger: at it's initial setting it is even less than the fully loosened warthog throttle has. I can't adjust it properly without that force-sensing screwdriver (and I don't get where to get one, the ones I saw to electronically display the actual force cost like $1000 or I'm looking at something else). The bolt is not freely rotating clockwise anymore, from the factory (I did not apply any force to it though).

 

5. The led and its selector are useless to me. I can't setup the selector to emit a single press-release event via the configurator, so I can't bind it properly. By default it emits no button-presses. The closest I could get to is either all-time press (normal mode) or infinite loop of press-releases (encoder mode). I can't see the LEDs in VR either.

 

6. The front-facing hat under the index finger should've been rotated 90 degrees. That way it would've been easier to push it sideways. Currently my finger just slips of it and I have to reposition the finger to the side of the hat, push it down closer to the handle and only then move the hat to the side. Just rotating the pattern would give more sideways grip.

 

7. The throw of the throttle levers is less than that of WH throttle. Don't see a lot of issue with it yet, but I'm not doing any formation flying yet.

 

As you can see these are minor issues (if at all). No showstoppers here.

 

In general, I can justify the upgrade from WH throttle. The best thing is ergonomics: everything is where it should be and is easily reachable; layout is great for VR. Had a single accidental button press, in like 5 minutes after initial setup blindly looking for the left-most toggle.

Edited September 3, 2018 by dvndmmy

[Hoffster]

Force sensing wrench for adjusting friction? If you mean a torque wrench i find that very strange and unlikely?

[dvndmmy]

Yeah. A torque wrench. Didn't know the proper name. (Neither do I know how the thing works.)

 

A google translate from Russian manual (I don't see English version on their site):

 

Adjusting the load forces on the motor handles (2 and 3) are additional functionality and are designed to improve the convenience use for the user.

 

Adjustment must be carried out with a torque wrench with a HEX packing H5 (under screw M6) and using the hole (22) in the case of the base of the throttle. Customize acts immediately on both handles (2 and 3).

 

Twisting the adjusting screw counterclockwise weakens the force loading up to free running. Twisting clockwise increases strength loading on the handles of the engines (2 and 3) up to 1 kgf.

 

When setting the loading force on the handles, there are restrictions:

- maximum number of turns of twisting of the adjusting screw in the hole (22) after fully loosening on the handles (2 and 3) no more than 1 turn!

- maximum torque when tightening the adjusting screw in the hole (22) should not exceed 12 Nm!

- adjustment of load forces is allowed only with a rigid fixing of the base in the operational position!

- check the loading force on the handles (2 and 3) when twisting or twisting every ¼ turn of the torque wrench!

[Hoffster]

Wow didn't expect that kind of procedure for an in theory simple task. I guess to protect from over torqueing by owners. 1/4 turns carefully and feeling throttles by hand should be fine with a simple wrench.

 

Are the 4 corner holes on the mounting plate the same as for the Warthog?

[Mars Exulte]

@Hoffster

Yes, they are, afaik.

 

 

So, I'm consistently running into little issues here. Lot of jitter in the axes. The right side grip is frequently acting up, like right now, the left one shows raw data and "value", but the right one only shows raw data, the "value" does not change unless the two grips are joined. Also they will not return to 0 when separated, they stop at 9%.

Edited September 3, 2018 by zhukov032186

[sunkione]

If you looking for torque wrench you can bought them for arround £35 chainreactioncycle got them in for arround that price. I dont have any manual for my throttle where its yours from?

Yeah. A torque wrench. Didn't know the proper name. (Neither do I know how the thing works.)

 

A google translate from Russian manual (I don't see English version on their site):

 

Adjusting the load forces on the motor handles (2 and 3) are additional functionality and are designed to improve the convenience use for the user.

 

Adjustment must be carried out with a torque wrench with a HEX packing H5 (under screw M6) and using the hole (22) in the case of the base of the throttle. Customize acts immediately on both handles (2 and 3).

 

Twisting the adjusting screw counterclockwise weakens the force loading up to free running. Twisting clockwise increases strength loading on the handles of the engines (2 and 3) up to 1 kgf.

 

When setting the loading force on the handles, there are restrictions:

- maximum number of turns of twisting of the adjusting screw in the hole (22) after fully loosening on the handles (2 and 3) no more than 1 turn!

- maximum torque when tightening the adjusting screw in the hole (22) should not exceed 12 Nm!

- adjustment of load forces is allowed only with a rigid fixing of the base in the operational position!

- check the loading force on the handles (2 and 3) when twisting or twisting every ¼ turn of the torque wrench!

 

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[dvndmmy]

@Hoffster

Yes, they are, afaik.

 

 

So, I'm consistently running into little issues here. Lot of jitter in the axes. The right side grip is frequently acting up, like right now, the left one shows raw data and "value", but the right one only shows raw data, the "value" does not change unless the two grips are joined. Also they will not return to 0 when separated, they stop at 9%.

Did you re-calibrate the axes? That seems to be a requirement after re-flashing firmware and loading default profile, for example.

 

Also, there is a setting to remap both throttle levers to a single axis. The connector is actually a button and by default remapping occures if it is off (which is "connected"), iirc.

 

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Edited September 3, 2018 by dvndmmy

[dvndmmy]

I dont have any manual for my throttle where its yours from?

 

Found it on the russian site. https://virpil.com/ru/support/downloads Don't know if it will be of much use to you, though.

 

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[MaD]

My "smooth grip" with the serial number 250 arrived today. :thumbup:

Doing first testing so far. Feels nice and accurate, but I need more time to figure out the software and how to configure the buttons.

[Mars Exulte]

Did you re-calibrate the axes? That seems to be a requirement after re-flashing firmware and loading default profile, for example.

 

Also, there is a setting to remap both throttle levers to a single axis. The connector is actually a button and by default remapping occures if it is off (which is "connected"), iirc.

 

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Well, I just recalibrated it again for the umpteenth time, but now they're both working properly again. I didn't change anything, and don't THINK I did anything differently, but I dunno. The interface here is slightly more complex than what I'm used to ;)

 

I keep bricking it, trying to change settings. Oi, the sacrifices you make for being on the cutting edge...

 

 

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I filed a support ticket earlier, I guess I'll just be like "Nevermind, I fixed it again..... FOR NOW". Good thing they invested so much effort into idiot-proofing this thing.

Edited September 3, 2018 by zhukov032186

[sunkione]

Found it on the russian site. https://virpil.com/ru/support/downloads Don't know if it will be of much use to you, though.

 

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Nah will be ok just need to lite bit duster my russian reading from 15 years ago. Thank you. Spasiba

 

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[wasserfall]

How to adjust the throttle detent for afterburner?

[Gizzy]

use the link above your post and download the throttle manual PDF. It's in Russian.... :) Look at part 10, copy and paste into Google translate.... that may help...