F-84D ThunderJet By CubanAce Simulations

[cubanace]

With "stoped" do you mean "put on hold for later continuation", or do you mean you've trashed them?

 

With regards to the Su-PAK that is not a big loss, being too secret anyway, but it is sad to see the development of the Su-17 stopped. That would have been a great addition to DCS.

 

Su-17M4 is on hold until I get more unclassified Data,but it turn out to be extremely Hard to get information of its flight envelope and systems,such an old aircraft and its still classified,most be because its still in service and Russian.

 

My Focus are more towards United states and Some Nato Forces Aircraft the data had been unclassified and there are plenty of Charts/Documents to make the Flight model and systems ex.

 

Starting with Korean Era Type Aircraft to present as long as there's unclassified Data.

Edited December 29, 2017 by cubanace

[flanker1]

Su-17M4 is on hold until I get more unclassified Data,but it turn out to be extremely Hard to get information of its flight envelope and systems,such an old aircraft and its still classified,most be because its still in service and Russian.

 

My Focus are more towards United states and Some Nato Forces Aircraft the data had been unclassified and there are plenty of Charts/Documents to make the Flight model and systems ex.

 

Starting with Korean Era Type Aircraft to present as long as there's unclassified Data.

 

and what about doing a new 3-d-model only for the su-17m4 first until you get more data and information about systems and avionik? we definitely need an update for the old and ugly ED stock one for this beautiful and amazing bird. . . that would be a dream!

 

keep up your stunning work!

Edited December 29, 2017 by flanker1

[cubanace]

All the other projects? The YF-23A had plenty of data on it. It was an experimental prototype that was put into a contest with the YF-22A, now the F-22. The Su-17 has a lack of information because most of its work is a secret, and the Su-57 was a very new 5th gen stealth fighter that is always getting updates, the last thing was the armament hold in stores. You just lack the knowledge of these planes because a. you have no real experience with these planes at all, or b. the internet will not have enough information for what you're looking for.

 

If you want to make a real, good accurate mod, then get up close to these things in person. Study it and maybe fly it, I could care less how you do it. I think you just need a plane in which you have already the basis knowledge and understanding of.

 

I know !!, I have picked the worst planes to work on in the past ,Because I let my liking for those planes first instead of looking at the reality that it will be impossible to finish them due to Classified information.

 

That's why I have stopped all my other projects!! they are not going to get me anywhere and wont teach me ether with out real information,i learned that anyone can create a MOD but that is just what it is a MOD and I'm not happy with that so I will put all my time and effort to creating Full Aircraft Modules that are full of informations ex so I can complete them, I am studying two aircraft at the moment,the F-84 and F-100 Super Sabre both of these Aircraft have plenty of war history and data on them including flight test Naca charts and manuals ex,There's a few things that I will change also about how I work , I am starting to understand why 3rd parties Aircraft and other projects are not shown until almost ready.

 

There is a lot of things I have ran into ,for example I had plans of going to Russia but honestly I cant Afford it because I don't make that kind of money and have to maintain my family so I have to research aircraft that are close to my homeland so I can visit them.

Also my Favorite Aircraft always been Modern ones 5th Gen and I wasted tons of time on making a simple mod of the Pak Fa and in the end I haven't really learned that much due to the fact that there was never actual charts of the flight model or its systems.

[javelina1]

Push on buddy, we're here to support! that's a great bird you've picked!

[cubanace]

Push on buddy, we're here to support! that's a great bird you've picked!

 

Thank you

[cubanace]

Work continues

[cubanace]

Work started on the Intake Divider Guys,Keep in mind I am doing my best at learning new techniques and modeling in order to recreate this Amazing Aircraft.

 

 

Wish you all a great holidays.

[Volator]

If things are easier with western aircraft, have you considered looking into the F-104G, maybe after the F-84 and F-100?

 

Your new study subjects are a great choice, by the way, but would you also consider developing the F-84F?

 

 

Edited December 30, 2017 by Pilot Ike

[cubanace]

If things are easier with western aircraft, have you considered looking into the F-104G, maybe after the F-84 and F-100?

 

Your new study subjects are a great choice, by the way, but would you also consider developing the F-84F?

 

 

 

Hi!,The F-84F did not have a good outcome in the war and its development,in fact it was inferior than earlier models of the F-84,therefore was in service for a short period of time and Data and its flight testing charts Are limited.

 

About other projects,i have stopped all my earlier work to focus on the F-84 Aircraft Variants ,Only after these Variants are finished I wil move on into developing the next Aircraft,it all depends how things go with the F-84 ThunderJet Variants.

 

Road map at the moment and locked and Full time are

-F-84 Thunderjet "

Edited December 30, 2017 by cubanace

[SkateZilla]

Just in case no one else has mentioned it,

 

you cannot release any type of Product off 3DS Student Version.

[cubanace]

Just in case no one else has mentioned it,

 

you cannot release any type of Product off 3DS Student Version.

 

I know the rules about 3dx max when the times comes for commercial use I need to upgrade to none Student version,thanks for pointing this out there's people out there that do not know.

 

Happy holidays and New year!.

Edited December 31, 2017 by cubanace

[cubanace]

Happy Holidays and Coming New Year from myself and my Family Here at CubanAce Simulations :D

 

Amazing Feeling to see my Own Work to Take shape in DCS WORLD ENGINE,Shes starting to look Better :joystick::pilotfly:

[AG-51_Razor]

Looking nice Cubanace! Good luck with this project. I am looking forward to seeing this one in the game along side the Saber and F-51 :thumbup:

[Danneskjold]

If things are easier with western aircraft, have you considered looking into the F-104G, maybe after the F-84 and F-100?

 

Your new study subjects are a great choice, by the way, but would you also consider developing the F-84F?

 

IMO, one of the greatest faults with DCS has been the piss poor planning when it came to choosing aircraft, especially Gen 4 stuff, and earlier. Having X plane is cool, having Y plane is great, but if it doesn't have its enemy counterpart, its ultimately pointless development.

 

Hi!,The F-84F did not have a good outcome in the war and its development,in fact it was inferior than earlier models of the F-84,therefore was in service for a short period of time and Data and its flight testing charts Are limited.

 

About other projects,i have stopped all my earlier work to focus on the F-84 Aircraft Variants ,Only after these Variants are finished I wil move on into developing the next Aircraft,it all depends how things go with the F-84 ThunderJet Variants.

 

Road map at the moment and locked and Full time are

-F-84 Thunderjet "

 

The F-84F had a fine outcome in the war, with the exception of a few hiccups (that a few other planes encountered as well).

 

The first of which is that while Russia and North Korea put a lot of resources into the Korean War (at first), America never expected anything more than a "backwater" conflict, and ultimately got caught with its pants down putting up the JV team against the Varsity Migs. The F-84 series really isn't to fault for this.

 

Second, the early F-84F series (Blocks -1 through -20) had discovered that with the increase in speeds that swept wings brought, the all flying tail became a required component for transonic flight. The F9F Cougar series ran into the same problem, and was delayed until it could be fielded with the all flying tail. The Mig-15 series ran into catastrophic controlled flight failures approaching and passing through transonic regions, so much so that late model Mig-15's could only survive this problem by literally rigging air brakes to prevent transonic flight. The Mig-17's fixed some of these problems by better airframe design and lifting surface location, but even then it wasn't until the Mig-19 was the problem actually solved with the inclusion of an all flying tail.

 

Lastly, even with the increase in power, the F-84F series retained the nickname "The Lead Sled" due to the abysmally slow and long take off run. A clean F-84D had a ground run of 9/10ths of a mile. A clean F-84F-25 had a ground run of 1.25 miles. RATO units lowered that to almost a mile for the F-84F.

 

 

These problems are not an indictment of the F-84F series. I could go on about other problems that other jets had. These are just teething issues for all plane development that went from jets that could barely stay airborne to supersonic jets in 10 years.

[cubanace]

IMO, one of the greatest faults with DCS has been the piss poor planning when it came to choosing aircraft, especially Gen 4 stuff, and earlier. Having X plane is cool, having Y plane is great, but if it doesn't have its enemy counterpart, its ultimately pointless development.

 

 

 

The F-84F had a fine outcome in the war, with the exception of a few hiccups (that a few other planes encountered as well).

 

The first of which is that while Russia and North Korea put a lot of resources into the Korean War (at first), America never expected anything more than a "backwater" conflict, and ultimately got caught with its pants down putting up the JV team against the Varsity Migs. The F-84 series really isn't to fault for this.

 

Second, the early F-84F series (Blocks -1 through -20) had discovered that with the increase in speeds that swept wings brought, the all flying tail became a required component for transonic flight. The F9F Cougar series ran into the same problem, and was delayed until it could be fielded with the all flying tail. The Mig-15 series ran into catastrophic controlled flight failures approaching and passing through transonic regions, so much so that late model Mig-15's could only survive this problem by literally rigging air brakes to prevent transonic flight. The Mig-17's fixed some of these problems by better airframe design and lifting surface location, but even then it wasn't until the Mig-19 was the problem actually solved with the inclusion of an all flying tail.

 

Lastly, even with the increase in power, the F-84F series retained the nickname "The Lead Sled" due to the abysmally slow and long take off run. A clean F-84D had a ground run of 9/10ths of a mile. A clean F-84F-25 had a ground run of 1.25 miles. RATO units lowered that to almost a mile for the F-84F.

 

 

These problems are not an indictment of the F-84F series. I could go on about other problems that other jets had. These are just teething issues for all plane development that went from jets that could barely stay airborne to supersonic jets in 10 years.

 

I currently have the flight manual,Technical manual,Naca Charts and Test Flights Reports for variants D,G,E but the F variant I been able to find only one Test Flight Report and I need more in order to create a realistic Simulation of it's Wing and Flight Envelope ex,I will Defenetly keep on Looking and if I do find enough data to recreate the F variant I will also Work on it,Happy New Year.

Edited January 1, 2018 by cubanace

[Danneskjold]

You mean like this stuff?

 

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930089750.pdf http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-84F_Thunderstreak_(W-3_Engine)_SAC_-_7_March_1957.pdf http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-84F_Thunderstreak_(W-7_Engine)_SAC_-_2_September_1958.pdf

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/usa/republic/f-84-thunderjet-thunderflash-thunderstreak/t-o-1f-84-1-flight-handbook-f-84f-aircraft-thunderstreak.html

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/usa/republic/f-84-thunderjet-thunderflash-thunderstreak/t-o-1f-84-r-f-1-flight-manual-rf-84f-5-and-later-aircraft.html

[frixon28]

Good luck I am excited to see this happen. Great to see you enthuastic, especially since this aircraft is "simple" and will be a great test

[cubanace]

You mean like this stuff?

 

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930089750.pdf http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-84F_Thunderstreak_(W-3_Engine)_SAC_-_7_March_1957.pdf http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/F-84F_Thunderstreak_(W-7_Engine)_SAC_-_2_September_1958.pdf

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/usa/republic/f-84-thunderjet-thunderflash-thunderstreak/t-o-1f-84-1-flight-handbook-f-84f-aircraft-thunderstreak.html

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/aircraft/usa/republic/f-84-thunderjet-thunderflash-thunderstreak/t-o-1f-84-r-f-1-flight-manual-rf-84f-5-and-later-aircraft.html

 

Yes I have all those but original and better quality and flight test report by Nasa naca.

 

 

These are some of the Test Flight Reports I have to study

F-84F variant below of its flight Test Report.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930087007.pdf

F-84F+ Recon Variant flight Test report

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20090026534.pdf

And F-84 Straight Wing Variants Test Flight Report.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19930086574.pdf

 

I have a lot to read and Study and a lot more to find in order to complete these variants.

[LevelPulse]

Looking forward to seeing this in DCS!

[cubanace]

Progress F-84 External model

 

9:06 pm 1/2/18

 

Some Progress.

[DonJosh]

which canopy will we get? the canopy with frames or without?

[cubanace]

which canopy will we get? the canopy with frames or without?

 

Depending on Variant,They are all Being modeled separately.

 

Examples below.

F-84B Not framed

F-84G Framed canopy

F-84D Not framed

F-84E Not framed

F-84F Totally Different.

RF-84F Somewhat Similar to that of F-84F canopy,RF-84F is the Reconnaissance variant of the F Design ,Also Has Sweep Wing but Intakes are on wings and a longer nose that houses Cameras.

Edited January 3, 2018 by cubanace

[DonJosh]

Depending on Variant,They are all Being modeled separately.

 

Examples below.

F-84B Not framed

F-84G Framed canopy

F-84D Not framed

F-84E Not framed

F-84F Totally Different.

RF-84F Somewhat Similar to that of F-84F canopy,RF-84F is the Reconnaissance variant of the F Design ,Also Has Sweep Wing but Intakes are on wings and a longer nose that houses Cameras.

 

thx for the info. so we will get a "not framed" one like the thread title said, you do a F-84D.

[sanc2775]

To all my respect and nothing personal or bias, but for me this is one of the planes more ugly that has been done in the history of aviation.

[gospadin]

To all my respect and nothing personal or bias, but for me this is one of the planes more ugly that has been done in the history of aviation.

 

The PL-12 Airtruk would like a word with you.