F/A18E/F Super Hornets block 1 and BLock 2 E/F ( lot 26)

[SkateZilla]

15 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

Yeeaaah, I wasn't implying that, I was half-jokingly saying that he could slam a bunch of MFD buttons and be like WHOA LOOK AT THAT CLASSIFIED ACS

Anyways were the Lot 24 WSO displays color displays? Would it be a stretch to have an F/A-18E Lot 29 and an F/A-18F Lot 29 but with the WSO cockpit stuck in Lot 24? Or would that be ok with a mishmash a la JF-17 and F-15E?

 

Considering HOL and New Processors were used in Lot 25 and Above, then You are limited to Lot 24 with SCS 25X and below automatically.

[SilentSparrow]

On 1/19/2023 at 9:32 AM, SkateZilla said:

 

Considering HOL and New Processors were used in Lot 25 and Above, then You are limited to Lot 24 with SCS 25X and below automatically.

Why exactly do the WSO and Pilot cockpit have to be from the same Lot?

[SkateZilla]

12 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

Why exactly do the WSO and Pilot cockpit have to be from the same Lot?

Are you serious>?

[SkateZilla]

Lot = A Batch of Airframes in a Manufacturing group.

 

You cant mix-max Lots in one airframe.

ie, Lot 24 ran SCS and SCS-25X, Lot 25+ Ran HOL SCS-H10+, You cant mix and match them, they are 2 different programming languages.

[SilentSparrow]

11 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

Lot = A Batch of Airframes in a Manufacturing group.

 

You cant mix-max Lots in one airframe.

ie, Lot 24 ran SCS and SCS-25X, Lot 25+ Ran HOL SCS-H10+, You cant mix and match them, they are 2 different programming languages.

You can't physically do that. Can you do that in DCS? I don't see why not. We've done these kinds of mishmash things in the past, like the aforementioned JF-17 and F-15E.

[draconus]

5 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

Can you do that in DCS?

We can but don't want.

[Silver_Dragon]

6 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

You can't physically do that. Can you do that in DCS? I don't see why not. We've done these kinds of mishmash things in the past, like the aforementioned JF-17 and F-15E.

Dekka JF-17 and RAZBAM F-15E...

[SkateZilla]

Where does Razbam or Deka say they are using 2 different Suites/OFPs that are 2 different languages on the same aircraft?

The Aircraft represent fleet birds, based off a specific lot and suite with upgrades that actually happened in the fleet.

No Super Hornet has Ever had 2 a mix-match of two different Lot's Cockpits.

[SilentSparrow]

6 hours ago, draconus said:

We can but don't want.

Still it's better than no Super Hornet. If we are going to mix and match the Lot avionics so be it. If Heatblur, Razbam, or Leatherneck (ED doesn't want to do mishmashes at all: See the F-16) has the time to do it, and is reading this, please: Just make an F/A-18E/F Lot 29 (With WSO cockpit in Lot 24). We can make an exception one time. ONE time.

Edited January 22, 2023 by SilentSparrow

[draconus]

1 hour ago, SilentSparrow said:

Still it's better than no Super Hornet.

Just load CJS mod and you're good to go.

[SkateZilla]

4 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

Still it's better than no Super Hornet. If we are going to mix and match the Lot avionics so be it. If Heatblur, Razbam, or Leatherneck (ED doesn't want to do mishmashes at all: See the F-16) has the time to do it, and is reading this, please: Just make an F/A-18E/F Lot 29 (With WSO cockpit in Lot 24). We can make an exception one time. ONE time.

 

Please Show me where HB, RB, and Leatherneck mixed and matched Lots of vastly different blocks.... Into one module,
and I dont mean "we'll leave this missile in the loadout for time period sake", I mean "we are gonna use half the systems from an early block then add systems from the later block at the same time for module balancing".

F-14A, was the equivalent of a fleet bird, not mix-matched lots/block,
there's literally 32 Blocks of the F-14A (1-12 were test aircraft), and most of them were modified by Sqns when delivered and never stayed Factory Set.

F-14B, same concept, fleet bird, entirely different aircraft from the F-14A, But enough common elements to make developing 2 aircraft in one module cost effective.
there's 3 blocks of the F-14B, the only difference between the 3 is which ones were new, which ones were upgraded from A, and which ones had the upgraded ECM Radios.

Most Earlier Block F-14A/Bs were upgraded w/ the new ECM to match the Late Block B, the only difference being the engines and the gun vent.

F-14D, entirely different from A/B, as everything has been converted from analog to digital.
there's 3 blocks of the F-14D, again, denoting new, or rebuilt, as well as the last block .

 

As for Lot 29 Front and Lot 24 Rear, have you not been paying attention.

Lot 29 is HOL, Lot 24 is SCS, two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES and Processors.

Lot 29 also consists of several base components that are classified, AESA for one. without that, you dont have anything else.

Edited January 22, 2023 by SkateZilla

[EA-18G_BlockII]

6 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

Please Show me where HB, RB, and Leatherneck mixed and matched Lots of vastly different blocks.... Into one module,
and I dont mean "we'll leave this missile in the loadout for time period sake", I mean "we are gonna use half the systems from an early block then add systems from the later block at the same time for module balancing".

F-14A, was the equivalent of a fleet bird, not mix-matched lots/block,
there's literally 32 Blocks of the F-14A (1-12 were test aircraft), and most of them were modified by Sqns when delivered and never stayed Factory Set.

F-14B, same concept, fleet bird, entirely different aircraft from the F-14A, But enough common elements to make developing 2 aircraft in one module cost effective.
there's 3 blocks of the F-14B, the only difference between the 3 is which ones were new, which ones were upgraded from A, and which ones had the upgraded ECM Radios.

Most Earlier Block F-14A/Bs were upgraded w/ the new ECM to match the Late Block B, the only difference being the engines and the gun vent.

F-14D, entirely different from A/B, as everything has been converted from analog to digital.
there's 3 blocks of the F-14D, again, denoting new, or rebuilt, as well as the last block .

 

As for Lot 29 Front and Lot 24 Rear, have you not been paying attention.

Lot 29 is HOL, Lot 24 is SCS, two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGES and Processors.

Lot 29 also consists of several base components that are classified, AESA for one. without that, you dont have anything else.

 

dont bother him, he doesnt know what he's talking about

[SilentSparrow]

3 hours ago, EA-18G_BlockII said:

dont bother him, he doesnt know what he's talking about

Who doesnt

[Hammer1-1]

Dude. No Super Hornet. Its not even realistic or feasible. Its just getting annoying at this point; you're welcome to pray for one and miracles do happen sometime, but  you're going to get disappointment more than a miracle with an F-18E/F/G.

[FoxHoundELite]

12 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Dude. No Super Hornet. Its not even realistic or feasible. Its just getting annoying at this point; you're welcome to pray for one and miracles do happen sometime, but  you're going to get disappointment more than a miracle with an F-18E/F/G.

Nah let him live in his fantasy,  some people nowaday really need hopium to cope with their (unrealistic) dream

[SkateZilla]

13 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Dude. No Super Hornet. Its not even realistic or feasible. Its just getting annoying at this point; you're welcome to pray for one and miracles do happen sometime, but  you're going to get disappointment more than a miracle with an F-18E/F/G.

Lot 21/22/23 LRIP or Lot 24 Block I would be Realistic and feasible, if ED wanted to.
As it would Run the same SCS our Legacy runs, the avionics are the same, Major differences would be engines, airframe/flight model/DFCS, EFEI Display, UFCD, and CMS Panel.

But not worth a $79.99 Price Tag, as it's simply the legacy, w/ 2 more limited pylons, and a different flight model, 
I'd Bundle it with the Legacy Module, just to boost sales of the legacy, if you want one or the other, you'd still get both.

The Legacy Hornet isn't even done yet,
So even if ED wanted to, it wouldn't make any sense to migrate incomplete systems from one aircraft to another, then have to manage 2 aircraft.

If the stars align and it were to happen, it would be after the Legacy is 100% complete, (Cockpit systems and Cockpit Modelling (i.e. Pilot))

That way the 3D Artists can work on the new external, revise the lot 20 cockpit to Lot 24 specs.
The Flight Model Team can get LRIP/Block I Aero data pretty easily, along with all the other manuals for reference data.
Then it's just a matter of adapting the existing systems to the Lot24, adding extra pylons to the SMS etc.

The issue is users will want the Block II or better, that part is not really easily as feasible.
The Super Hornet was designed to be a transitional Aircraft, it retained Legacy Hornet systems from LRIP1 thru Block I to allow pilots to transition easier to the new airframe, (and allowing companies to design/refine technology to be integrated in later blocks), while convincing congress it was not a new aircraft, just a revision of the old one (despite the airframe being completely changed, size and aerodynamically).

Once Lot 25 -> Lot 26/Block II Production started, The Old Systems in a New Bird Trend ended there.
The Old Hornet OFP language was replaced, the processors/mission computer, along with several cockpit systems and displays (AMCDs, ACS, FCN, DVMC, IDECM), along with DFCS and Control Surface utilization, and eventually the radar (AESA was delayed but Block II was pre-set for it.)

But Like I said, that's 100% Speculation, and doubtful to happen, 
The Super Bug in the other new sim is only roughly 20-25% modelled systems wise, and cannot be used as a comparative or argumentative example.
The Super Bug in the other old sim, is mostly guess work, and illusion of modelled systems and again cannot be used as a comparative or argumentative example.
 

On 1/22/2023 at 9:48 PM, EA-18G_BlockII said:

dont bother him, he doesnt know what he's talking about

If someone's passionate about something they aren't gonna let it go, 

That being said, my frustration with answering the same questions over and over again kinda showed through, it is a wish list section and he can wish and wish and wish as much as he chooses too.

Edited January 24, 2023 by SkateZilla

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

No amount of armchair lawyering is going to get us a Super Hornet. Period. The only thing that would is a US DOD and Boeing willing to play ball and then finding the resources to actually make it.

Sometimes you need to just move on.

[SilentSparrow]

I'm sorry guys, so sorry. I won't bother you guys anymore.

[Hammer1-1]

15 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

Lot 21/22/23 LRIP or Lot 24 Block I would be Realistic and feasible, if ED wanted to.

Theres as much hope that ED will do the F-18D as the F-18E early blocks...but with that said, theres literally nothing to learn when it comes to flying it - providing you already know the Hornet inside out. Literally not a whole lot of work to make an F-18D other than a new external model and cockpit. The Aircraft CG isnt that far off from the C, the aircraft basically handles the same, same payload...and ED already shot that one down. IDF Mods is making one and honestly cant wait for it. Its about the exact same amount of work for ED to make the suggested SH...probably a little bit less considering the cockpit is almost identical. My crystal ball tells me to GFM.

Edited January 25, 2023 by Hammer1-1

[SkateZilla]

Lot 20 Legacy D Hornets went to the USMC and had a different SCS than the Hornet we have now, so it wouldnt be that easy.

Edited January 25, 2023 by SkateZilla

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

12 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

I'm sorry guys, so sorry. I won't bother you guys anymore.

We're not getting an FF MiG-29 any time soon, either. Believe me, I know that feeling too. It sucks.

[Hammer1-1]

did they really cancel the Mig-29 9-12?

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

did they really cancel the Mig-29 9-12?

There were no official statements apart from "no news to share" and potential problems due to current political situation.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

19 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

did they really cancel the Mig-29 9-12?

Not canceled, but it's on ice for obvious reasons. At least, for ED. They did mention a third party could have better luck.

[EA-18G_BlockII]

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