Vampyr Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 I know DCS A-10C will most likely never get the Sniper pod and I'm fine with that, so let me just get that out of the way. :) Would the version of A-10C modeled in DCS be able to mount a Sniper pod in real life without needing any further upgrades or modifications? Snipers are basically just LANTIRNs with better opticals, right?
Harzach Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 I would imagine it would require a different software suite, at least?
Tholozor Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 IIRC, Suite 5 at minimum would be needed for SNIPER pod. Someone please correct me if that's wrong. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Vampyr Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 So a software update would be the only thing necessary for Sniper pod capability? No hardware modifications/upgrades?
Harzach Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 So a software update would be the only thing necessary for Sniper pod capability? No hardware modifications/upgrades? That's quite a leap! a different software suite, at least IIRC, Suite 5 at minimum Of course, neither of us knows for sure. I'm sure someone like Snoopy will be along to set the record straight.
Snoopy Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 IIRC it could but that was a long time ago. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Nooch Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 By the way, I see Strike Eagles carry both the sniper and lantirn. Why? Isn't the sniper supposed to be just a better, more modern version of the lantirn? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
kojdog Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 While we're on the subject, does anyone know the mechanical basis of this "controversial" feature?: “In fact, the aircraft’s targeting pod was not capable of detecting the marking devices,” the report says. https://www.stripes.com/news/us/report-deaths-were-avoidable-in-afghan-friendly-fire-incident-1.301537 It can't detect IR strobes commonly worn by ground troops. Less interested in the incident, which has been thoroughly covered elsewhere, but whether anyone here actually knows why the Sniper pod lacks this ability? I doubt it was intentionally omitted so it's likely an artifact of the design of the pod. Does anyone know enough about the design of these things to speculate if the answer isn't already known?
Shadow KT Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 By the way, I see Strike Eagles carry both the sniper and lantirn. Why? Isn't the sniper supposed to be just a better, more modern version of the lantirn? Huh, I've heard the opposite... the Sniper pod being older and less advance than the one we have on the A-10. But that's just what I've heard 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days
Vampyr Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 Huh, I've heard the opposite... the Sniper pod being older and less advance than the one we have on the A-10. But that's just what I've heard I don't know which is older or newer, but I have heard that though the Sniper has better range and resolution, the LANTIRN is preferred for CAS. That might explain why F-15Es and other multirole jets carry both.
catt42 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 (edited) While we're on the subject, does anyone know the mechanical basis of this "controversial" feature?: “In fact, the aircraft’s targeting pod was not capable of detecting the marking devices,” the report says. https://www.stripes.com/news/us/report-deaths-were-avoidable-in-afghan-friendly-fire-incident-1.301537 It can't detect IR strobes commonly worn by ground troops. Less interested in the incident, which has been thoroughly covered elsewhere, but whether anyone here actually knows why the Sniper pod lacks this ability? I doubt it was intentionally omitted so it's likely an artifact of the design of the pod. Does anyone know enough about the design of these things to speculate if the answer isn't already known?The IR imaging camera built in the targeting pod can't pick up IR lights emitted by strobes or IR laser designators, unlike NVGs. They work on two different wavelengths. There's no need to exactly know the ranges, but it is important to know that they don't mix. Edited April 18, 2018 by catt42
Kippy Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 The Sniper was first carried by A-10s in 2010, whatever suite that corresponds with. 163rd vFS Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out!
Snoopy Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 The Sniper was first carried by A-10s in 2010, whatever suite that corresponds with. Was actually earlier than that, here at moody at least. v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Kippy Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 Was actually earlier than that, here at moody at least.LM and USAF completed deliveries of Snipers to Davis-Monthan and Spangdahlem in the spring of '09. Moody received [or rather, was scheduled... you know how these things work] theirs in the summer of '09. Not employed in combat on board the A-10 until 2010, to my knowledge. 163rd vFS Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out!
Snoopy Posted April 20, 2018 Posted April 20, 2018 (edited) LM and USAF completed deliveries of Snipers to Davis-Monthan and Spangdahlem in the spring of '09. Moody received [or rather, was scheduled... you know how these things work] theirs in the summer of '09. Not employed in combat on board the A-10 until 2010, to my knowledge. So your earlier post was about in combat and not in general. Otherwise I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Edited April 20, 2018 by Snoopy v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Kippy Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 So your earlier post was about in combat and not in general. Otherwise I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Yes; the first post was about combat use. 163rd vFS Discord Soaring With the Snakes, Fangs Out!
frixon28 Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Huh, I've heard the opposite... the Sniper pod being older and less advance than the one we have on the A-10. But that's just what I've heard Sniper pod is a much better improvement from the aircrew I have talked to and is without a doubt newer. They say it is much more precise than Litening. But the reason the litening pod is still having around supposedly is that the Sniper pod has a much narrower field of view compared to the Litening.
Vampyr Posted April 21, 2018 Author Posted April 21, 2018 (edited) Was actually earlier than that, here at moody at least. Are Sniper pods only compatible with A-10Cs or can the A-10As also carry them? Edited April 21, 2018 by Vampyr
Snoopy Posted April 21, 2018 Posted April 21, 2018 Are Sniper pods only compatible with A-10Cs or can the A-10As also carry them? Vanilla A-10As couldn’t carry any TGP. The A-10A+ could but I never touched one of those, IIrC they were only ANG and Reserve jets and I never touched or saw one. https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/kicked-up-hogs-the-a-10a-program-04217/ v303d Fighter Group Discord | Virtual 303d Fighter Group Website
Vampyr Posted April 21, 2018 Author Posted April 21, 2018 Vanilla A-10As couldn’t carry any TGP. The A-10A+ could but I never touched one of those, IIrC they were only ANG and Reserve jets and I never touched or saw one. https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/kicked-up-hogs-the-a-10a-program-04217/ Can the A-10+ carry Sniper pods though? This guy says they're incompatible with the A-10/A-10+ and that only the A-10C can carry them: http://warthognews.blogspot.ca/2009/10/identifying-upgraded-10c.html?m=1
Jetguy06 Posted April 22, 2018 Posted April 22, 2018 Can the A-10+ carry Sniper pods though? This guy says they're incompatible with the A-10/A-10+ and that only the A-10C can carry them: http://warthognews.blogspot.ca/2009/10/identifying-upgraded-10c.html?m=1 AFAIK, there are no A-10a's or A+'s currently flying. All A-10 airframes in flying condition were converted to C's. This happened around 2006-7. The Sniper wasn't added to the A-10's inventory until around '09 according to the above posts, so no, the A's and A+'s would not have had the capability of carrying the Sniper pod.
Vampyr Posted April 22, 2018 Author Posted April 22, 2018 Can the A-10+ carry Sniper pods though? This guy says they're incompatible with the A-10/A-10+ and that only the A-10C can carry them: http://warthognews.blogspot.ca/2009/10/identifying-upgraded-10c.html?m=1 AFAIK, there are no A-10a's or A+'s currently flying. All A-10 airframes in flying condition were converted to C's. This happened around 2006-7. The Sniper wasn't added to the A-10's inventory until around '09 according to the above posts, so no, the A's and A+'s would not have had the capability of carrying the Sniper pod. I know they started the A-10C conversions around 2006/2007, but I think they didn't finish converting all aircraft until mid 2011. Source: http://archive.li/PqheT Maybe because of this there were still some A-10A+s knocking about when the Sniper pod was introduced?
RglsPhoto Posted April 24, 2018 Posted April 24, 2018 https://gamingshogun.com/2010/06/21/dcs-a-10c-producer-interview-exclusive-screenshots/ GS) Will the Sniper XR targeting pod be available for use in the upcoming sim? MW) For DCS: A-10C we have instead decided to model the Lightning II AT targeting pod in great detail. Doing the Sniper TGP would not have allowed us to include the level of detail we want. I7-6700K OC 4.9G, 896G SSD, 32G RAM @ 2400MHz, NH-D15 cooling system,TM Hotas Warthog,Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals,TrackIr 5, BOSE M2
Rainmaker Posted May 23, 2018 Posted May 23, 2018 By the way, I see Strike Eagles carry both the sniper and lantirn. Why? Isn't the sniper supposed to be just a better, more modern version of the lantirn? LANTIRN TGP is way older and lacks a ton of capability The 15s went LANTIRN -> LITENING -> SNIPER. The days of carrying the LANTIRN are more or less done. It was an availability thing. That's not really an issue any more.
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