Virpil WRDBRD Base vs. TM Warthog

[obious]

Hi All,

 

First, let me say that I’m a happy Warthog HOTAS user. However, recently my Warthog Stick gimbal has been playing up in the sense that it sticks when pushing forward.

 

I can’t be bothered to take it apart and had a look inside which is why I’m wondering if it’s worth directly replacing it with the VPC/Virpil WRDBird base? From the videos I’ve seen, it looks to be of better quality internally but I’d like to know if it ‘feels’ better.

 

I know it’s subjective but I’m interested in the general consensus

 

Thanks!

[dburne]

Much better quality gimbal system.

If you are serious in flight simming and intend to stay with it would be well worth the investment imho.

[DeepDrummer]

Hi All,

 

First, let me say that I’m a happy Warthog HOTAS user. However, recently my Warthog Stick gimbal has been playing up in the sense that it sticks when pushing forward.

 

I can’t be bothered to take it apart and had a look inside which is why I’m wondering if it’s worth directly replacing it with the VPC/Virpil WRDBird base? From the videos I’ve seen, it looks to be of better quality internally but I’d like to know if it ‘feels’ better.

 

I know it’s subjective but I’m interested in the general consensus

 

Thanks!

 

I use TM and stick with it (on my 3rd stick) because of the Target Software.

If I was not using the Target software I would bail.

I will continue to buy TM and use Target for the foreseeable future.

It is definitely not for everyone.

Surely anyone can make a better more reliable gimbal than Thrustmaster's Hotas Wartog effort.

Thrustmaster: A Love/Hate relationship for me.

Better Software than Target does not appear to exist. Similar? Yes. Better? No.

[obious]

DeepDrummer, is interested to know why you’re using TARGET? Is it necessary to use with the WRDBRD base (I thought it was ‘plug n play’?) or are you doing some fancy key bindings/logic?

[dburne]

I used to use TARGET but have since found the DCS controller menu to more than handle my needs, I much prefer just setting my controllers up in the game menu now.

[Abburo]

Check here an comprehensive personal opinion exactly on topic:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220169

[javelina1]

see my sig for specs... I'm a happy user of the WarBRD base with my TM stick. It's a great combo. The WarBRD is so much more precise, smooth, and solid. I would not use an extension with the WarBRD, and the TM stick is a bit heavier than others. But it functions just great.

 

 

I do not use TARGET, and no issues...

[obious]

javelina1, I was planning on using a 10cm or maybe even a 15cm extension with the WRDBRD base but am seeing several places where it’s not advised. Any idea why this is?

[dburne]

javelina1, I was planning on using a 10cm or maybe even a 15cm extension with the WRDBRD base but am seeing several places where it’s not advised. Any idea why this is?

 

They "recommend" no more than 50mm, due to the length of throw on the stick.

Course anyone is free to try what they want (at own risk).

 

At first, they did not recommend any extensions.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3584313&postcount=133

 

After the T-50 was discontinued, they then stated 50mm recommendation on extension for WarBRD..

:smilewink:

Edited December 20, 2018 by dburne

[javelina1]

javelina1, I was planning on using a 10cm or maybe even a 15cm extension with the WRDBRD base but am seeing several places where it’s not advised. Any idea why this is?

 

 

Hi obious, dburne covered it. Indeed because of the "throw" on the WarBRD. No more than 50cm. I'm flying without one, and with the WarBRD on my desktop, to my right. (I like to fly "F-16" style, and not have the joystick in my center, but rather to my right side).

 

 

Let me emphasize, the WarBRD is all that and more, when compared to the original TM gimbal base. :-)

Edited December 20, 2018 by javelina1
clarity

[Hellcat]

see my sig for specs... I'm a happy user of the WarBRD base with my TM stick. It's a great combo. The WarBRD is so much more precise, smooth, and solid. I would not use an extension with the WarBRD, and the TM stick is a bit heavier than others. But it functions just great.

 

 

I do not use TARGET, and no issues...

 

+1

[Sokol1_br]

DeepDrummer, is interested to know why you’re using TARGET? Is it necessary to use with the WRDBRD base (I thought it was ‘plug n play’?)

 

TARGET is not compatible with WarBRD controller firmware, TARGET only identify Thrustmaster firmware (in Warthog, Cougar, T.16000M, TWCS and pedals).

 

Hence you don't need - neither can use, TARGET for use WarBRD base with Warghog grip.

 

...or are you doing some fancy key bindings/logic?

 

The question is, how TARGET - an keyboard emulator, is important for you?

 

Some guys just want that, e.g. Warthog weapon release button just release weapons - like IRL. Then don't need.

 

VirPil sofware is not keyboard emulator like TARGET, is just a firmware configurator with some "modes' for buttons, eg. set axis to press buttons.

 

Of course you can use universal 3rd part keyboard emulator like Joystick Gremlin, or more simple one like XPadder, Joytokey. None offer all TARGET "magics".

 

Then the guys that want weapons release button do more than release weapons, e.g. if pressed XX seconds do something else, if pressed twice another thing... need TARGET, that became more important feature than stick gimbal precision. :joystick: :thumbup:

 

A question of compromises, make your choice. :D

[Guppy]

I use TM and stick with it (on my 3rd stick) because of the Target Software.

If I was not using the Target software I would bail.

I will continue to buy TM and use Target for the foreseeable future.

It is definitely not for everyone.

Surely anyone can make a better more reliable gimbal than Thrustmaster's Hotas Wartog effort.

Thrustmaster: A Love/Hate relationship for me.

Better Software than Target does not appear to exist. Similar? Yes. Better? No.

 

 

Being an owner of WarBRD, T-50 and the TMWH I can tell you the VPC software is far more powerful than TARGET. You can do more and have far more options. The problem is the UI is terrible and its not very intuitive off the bat - TARGET being more simplified is easier to use and understand and is probably suitible for most users.

 

With that said... VPC continues to blow my mind from a hardware standpoint. Though, I will say the WarBRD does not work well with 1) extensions and 2) WH Grip since its metal and heavy. The springs/centering of the WarBRD are too weak IMO for the WH Grip or even the mongoos with extensions.

[obious]

Being an owner of WarBRD, T-50 and the TMWH I can tell you the VPC software is far more powerful than TARGET. You can do more and have far more options. The problem is the UI is terrible and its not very intuitive off the bat - TARGET being more simplified is easier to use and understand and is probably suitible for most users.

 

With that said... VPC continues to blow my mind from a hardware standpoint. Though, I will say the WarBRD does not work well with 1) extensions and 2) WH Grip since its metal and heavy. The springs/centering of the WarBRD are too weak IMO for the WH Grip or even the mongoos with extensions.

 

Hmm, I was under the impression that the springs can be changed for stronger ones?

[Guppy]

Hmm, I was under the impression that the springs can be changed for stronger ones?

 

They can... but the stronger ones arent strong enough for me. It's very much a personal preference thing. Others will like it. I think the feeling is less than the TMWH base itself. You might like a looser feel. The problem is the metal stick is so heavy. If they cam out with hard center cams like the t-50 base I'd like it more.

 

Again, this is just my personal preference on it. Other than that... it's 100% fantastic. I imagine I will be quite pleased to use it with the hornet grip (if it ever gets released).

[FZG_Immel]

shame Virpil is out of BASES to sell 100% of the time...

[Supmua]

I use TM and stick with it (on my 3rd stick) because of the Target Software.

If I was not using the Target software I would bail.

I will continue to buy TM and use Target for the foreseeable future.

It is definitely not for everyone.

Surely anyone can make a better more reliable gimbal than Thrustmaster's Hotas Wartog effort.

Thrustmaster: A Love/Hate relationship for me.

Better Software than Target does not appear to exist. Similar? Yes. Better? No.

 

FYI, Realsimulator's FSSB R3 base can utilize Target software (you have to relocate your old TM board to the R3 base first which only takes a few mins). The best of both world in terms of precision and not having to deal with stiction, unless you don't like force sensing mechanism in joystick. I agree with you that Target app is the best out there, you can do so much with it.