F-14 HOTAS mapping?

[Super Grover]

Almost all in-cockpit controls and hotkeys are mapped to SRS, and the intercom (ICS) is fully functional using SRS. Even such functions as HOT MIC, RADIO OVERRIDE, or KY-28 are supported. The only function that is not available is BOTH - transmitting on both UHF1 and UHF2 simultaneously.

The SRS is the only voice option supported at the moment. However the recent DCS World newsletter contained a paragraph on a new voice over IP system for DCS World, and once it's in, we will support it too.

 

Answering the second question:

Whenever another user wants to join your aircraft in a multiplayer session, you are given the option to allow it or deny access to the RIO seat. This is a standard feature of DCS.

[Bad Idea Hat]

May I comment one thing? There are no separate controls for flares - the DLC engage/CMS button serves for both dispensing chaffs and flares, and what is dispensed is controlled from the RIO pit.

 

 

Really.

 

 

Alright. That actually completely changes my setup, but gives me better options.

[OnlyforDCS]

May I comment one thing? There are no separate controls for flares - the DLC engage/CMS button serves for both dispensing chaffs and flares, and what is dispensed is controlled from the RIO pit.

 

Is Jester smart enough to change the selection of CMS based on the threats we're facing or do we have to use the Jester "wheel" to issue commands for him to change these?

[Bull0369]

Bragging like you frequently do, when identifying yourself as: a "Tomcat pilot", who "fought MiG-23s", and "knowing USSR pilots such and such" ? :lol:

 

The "sensitive and classified information" lame excuse, have you noticed the 70's and 80's are gone ?

 

 

I think you have had enough KoolAide for the day kiddo... So far in this single forum has acted like a child twice in the less than a month - this and the fiasco about the release date I am starting to see the selfish workings of the punks I am glad I never had to deal with... you.

[RustBelt]

Wow, I'm very curious how that chaff / flare thing will work then.

Can't imagine now to put that responsibility to another person xD.

 

Thats a two crew cockpit. The RIO is going to know the threats better than the pilot will since the RIO has all the screens.

 

A Pilot and RIO are one executive entity. Like any multi crew cockpit, both people have to trust the other crew member has their job down solid.

 

I am still curious too is the DLC an axis style controll or is it just a two way switch with a spring center off? Like the MORE you push it forward does the DLC come up more. Or the LONGER you hold it forward does the DLC come up more?

[Super Grover]

Is Jester smart enough to change the selection of CMS based on the threats we're facing or do we have to use the Jester "wheel" to issue commands for him to change these?

You don't want Jester to learn that you don't believe in his smartness

 

The pilot has to be certain that the active CMS function of the switch doesn't change unexpectedly, so it's up to you to command Jester to set the FLARE switch to the mode you want.

Nevertheless, Jester is smart enough to use chaff and flares if you let him do it, and then he will use all his smartness to spot for incoming missiles, if possible determine the threat type, and expense the appropriate countermeasures. For example, if he observes a SAM launch from an SA-3, he will use chaff only to defeat that threat. On the other hand, when unsure about the missile, he will use both chaff and flares.

Edited January 14, 2019 by Super Grover

[Victory205]

Wow, I'm very curious how that chaff / flare thing will work then.

Can't imagine now to put that responsibility to another person xD.

 

Another question that comes to my mind, if I dare to ask Super Grover?:

As I see, you are definitely very depending on the RIO. Much more then I ever thought. I like that very much, but when playing multiplayer, is the intercom for voice working that I can talk with the stranger who is sitting there? Maybe even without SRS?

And do I also have the option to lock my rear seat, so that no one pushes Jester out?

 

When the module comes out, much of this will fall into place, based on how Heatblur has chosen to implement the controls that are confined to the rear cockpit.

 

You are right, the communication between cockpits was critical, which is going to make the module unique and fun.

 

Until then, READ YOUR NATOPS. :smilewink:

[Strikeeagle345]

When the module comes out, much of this will fall into place, based on how Heatblur has chosen to implement the controls that are confined to the rear cockpit.

 

You are right, the communication between cockpits was critical, which is going to make the module unique and fun.

 

Until then, READ YOUR NATOPS. :smilewink:

 

:thumbup:

[Victory205]

I think you have had enough KoolAide for the day kiddo... So far in this single forum has acted like a child twice in the less than a month - this and the fiasco about the release date I am starting to see the selfish workings of the punks I am glad I never had to deal with... you.

 

Someone can post a copy of the TACMAN, signed by the CNO and Jesus Himself, and I won't comment on whether it is true or not. That's how it works in the real world, easily understood by anyone but a handful of entitled, lunatic, snowflakes who are suddenly trying to rewrite reality to fit their warped little minds.

 

Never dawns on these sociopaths that they are the rude ones here?

[viper2097]

Thank you very much Super Grover, didn't thought about the Rio doing the releases normaly...

Of course, the Cat needs both to operate and both have to do their assigned tasks. Maybe everyone knows this, but when it really comes to it, it is a completely different thing.

I think mp sessions with mates, strangers, and of course, with Jester, will be everything: absolute awesome and also absolute terrible.

I'm really looking forward to it. It will be a lot of fun xD. And salt :)))).

[Top Jockey]

I think you have had enough KoolAide for the day kiddo... So far in this single forum has acted like a child twice in the less than a month - this and the fiasco about the release date I am starting to see the selfish workings of the punks I am glad I never had to deal with... you.

 

So far in this single forum never saw you add anything useful related to the Tomcat either, isn't it ?

 

Someone can post a copy of the TACMAN, signed by the CNO and Jesus Himself, and I won't comment on whether it is true or not. That's how it works in the real world, easily understood by anyone but a handful of entitled, lunatic, snowflakes who are suddenly trying to rewrite reality to fit their warped little minds.

 

Never dawns on these sociopaths that they are the rude ones here?

 

You got it wrong, sociopath is the guy who takes every opportunity to brag himself of being and doing all this and that, (while being arrogant when others ask something)... and then gets all messed up when called out.

 

Come on, with such a low level of self-control, do you really want me to believe you've read the NATOPS to the end ? :thumbup:

 

Don't get so messed up over this.

[naizarak]

So far in this single forum never saw you add anything useful related to the Tomcat either, isn't it ?

 

 

 

You got it wrong, sociopath is the guy who takes every opportunity to brag himself of being and doing all this and that, (while being arrogant when others ask something)... and then gets all messed up when called out.

 

Come on, with such a low level of self-control, do you really want me to believe you've read the NATOPS to the end ? :thumbup:

 

Don't get so messed up over this.

 

his supposed experience is meaningless to us if he doesn't share anything and just keeps parroting "READ NATOPS". move on and stop indulging him

[VampireNZ]

Come on, with such a low level of self-control, do you really want me to believe you've read the NATOPS to the end ? :thumbup:

 

Don't get so messed up over this.

 

I would ease up a little - it might be hard for non-aircrew to imagine, but pretty much memorising a flight manual is nothing out of the ordinary, and actually expected.

 

As ex-P-3 Orion aircrew memorising the P-3 NAVAIR was just part of the job, all 1,261 pages of it, and if you couldn't remember specifics you sure better know where to find it fast! That was just the basics too - then you get into all the info contained in the Orion Service Digests, then ofc you have to have all the Tactical Procedures down pat like when you can drop a weapon and kill something a when you can't etc etc. The list goes on my friend, memorising NATOPS is just the tip of the iceberg believe me lol.

 

The difference between aircrew and joe blogs in his office job is if you weren't up flying, you were buried in the books studying this stuff over and over again, year after year. The 6-hour oral exam just on P-3 systems, and then a couple hours testing your TACOPS knowledge etc every 12 months necessary to keep your flying cat was good motivation!

 

No not 'tooting my horn look at me I'm ex aircrew' or anything - just giving a different perspective :thumbup:

[Victory205]

Yes, move on. The obsession with me and the juvenile definition of "bragging" is particularly small minded and creepy.

 

I've arguably answered more F14 questions (pilot anyway) in detail than anyone you know.

[HawkeyeHHDF]

Thats a two crew cockpit. The RIO is going to know the threats better than the pilot will since the RIO has all the screens.

 

A Pilot and RIO are one executive entity. Like any multi crew cockpit, both people have to trust the other crew member has their job down solid.

 

I am still curious too is the DLC an axis style controll or is it just a two way switch with a spring center off? Like the MORE you push it forward does the DLC come up more. Or the LONGER you hold it forward does the DLC come up more?

 

In real life it is like a axis control, if you pull or push the thumb wheel it will deflect the spoilers a little, if you go all the way in one direction it will go to a max position, not sure if they have it set up here that way or not though.

[hansangb]

I would ease up a little - it might be hard for non-aircrew to imagine, but pretty much memorising a flight manual is nothing out of the ordinary, and actually expected.

 

As ex-P-3 Orion aircrew memorising the P-3 NAVAIR was just part of the job, all 1,261 pages of it, and if you couldn't remember specifics you sure better know where to find it fast! That was just the basics too - then you get into all the info contained in the Orion Service Digests, then ofc you have to have all the Tactical Procedures down pat like when you can drop a weapon and kill something a when you can't etc etc. The list goes on my friend, memorising NATOPS is just the tip of the iceberg believe me lol.

 

The difference between aircrew and joe blogs in his office job is if you weren't up flying, you were buried in the books studying this stuff over and over again, year after year. The 6-hour oral exam just on P-3 systems, and then a couple hours testing your TACOPS knowledge etc every 12 months necessary to keep your flying cat was good motivation!

 

No not 'tooting my horn look at me I'm ex aircrew' or anything - just giving a different perspective :thumbup:

 

 

I think people forget how long the training is for military aviators. Especially those that have to land on a pitching boat. Although I was shocked that you didn't have to do it like 50 times to be certified. :D

 

Sometimes, people who are passionate get carried away. And forget that there is a difference between flying a game (however detailed it may be) and being a professional aviator where you don't walk away from mistakes. There are many examples where quite a bit of training is required. Eng In Training (EIT) is one, MCAT requires mucho studying, and CCIE certification from Cisco takes a fair amount of training. Although it's not as rigorous as people make it out to be. I'd say it's equivalent to taking a final that covers about 19 credit hours of college level engineering courses.

 

Anyway, I can't wait for the F14 to be released. It's going to be awesome.

[Bull0369]

So far in this single forum never saw you add anything useful related to the Tomcat either, isn't it ?

 

 

 

You got it wrong, sociopath is the guy who takes every opportunity to brag himself of being and doing all this and that, (while being arrogant when others ask something)... and then gets all messed up when called out.

 

Come on, with such a low level of self-control, do you really want me to believe you've read the NATOPS to the end ? :thumbup:

 

Don't get so messed up over this.

 

That is because I have nothing to add. I havent flown a real plane, and all my info has to do with the ground game. But I do look forward to flying the one plane as a kid I made models of, and got the pleasure to see a few times at airshows. That comment was meant for a particular person asking someone to give info that isnt theirs to give.

[Victory205]

In real life it is like a axis control, if you pull or push the thumb wheel it will deflect the spoilers a little, if you go all the way in one direction it will go to a max position, not sure if they have it set up here that way or not though.

 

Yes, but I wouldn’t worry about it if you can’t put it on an axis. A couple of clicks are what you will use the most. The old DLC technique was mostly confined to a couple of bangs in the down direction after clearing the ramp. Up on the power to counter the burble created a tendency to go flat in close, DLC helped counter that. I’m not sure that the burble/ship aero is even modeled in the first place.

 

We discussed this in an earlier thread if you want to have a look.

 

The maneuvering flaps on the same thumbwheel run fine in automatic mode, so no worries there.

[Nexus-6]

Guys, I get it. I really do. I'm a "Turkey" enthusiast from way back. Growing up, I had posters, models, books...you name it.

 

 

 

I've been utterly dazzled by the F-14 ever since I was a wide-eyed kid watching Tomcats for the first time at NAS Oceana in the 1990s. In fact, the whole reason I even took notice of DCS was the official announcement of an F-14 module that was supposed to surpass all that have gone before.

 

 

The fact that a real F-14 pilot has joined our ranks is no small amount of cool, in my opinion, but if he can't discuss certain things...then that's that. I don't think he really means to be crass or flippant when he tells you to read NATOPS. I have a million questions about Grumman's flagship war machine, and trust me, I'd love to bend his ear about all of them. But, you know what? All I have to do is exercise a little patience and I'll learn everything I ever wanted to know about the F-14 and then some. I have utter confidence that Heatblur's module will be that complete.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's like the old Chinese proverb about teaching a man to fish...

[viper2097]

It's like the old Chinese proverb about teaching a man to fish...

 

Its a big difference if you give a man a fish, show him how to fish, or say "go f*ck yo*rs*lf, when you are hungry enough you will know where you gonna have to look for learning fishing".

 

I'm 33 and from Austria. I'm a Tomcat fan since I've seen Top Gun in my childhood. Only once in my life, I was able to see one Tomcat in a static display. I've never seen one flying a display or something else.

And I will never.

Tomcat pilots & Rios are probably one of the coolest people walking around on the globe for me.

I would have never thought that it would be possible to have such a detailed simulation like Heatblur will deliver. THIS is the closest I will ever get to a Cat.

It is unbelieveable for me, that REAL Cat pilots or rios are here in this forum to talk with us.

But this thread showed me now that those are probably not as cool as I ever thought.

 

Victory205, this is a forum for enthusiasts whom are loving that aircrafts.

None of us (except the devs, lol) is doing that here to earn money. Everyone doing this because of pure dedication. So you could be that cool and help people, share your informations and help people living their dream they will never reach. You have been one of those lucky people who lived the dream of so many here.

So don't be an as*hole, be nice, help people, or just leave.

Unfortunately, you changed my oppinion on F14 crews. Thats sad.

[viper2097]

So after the input from Super Grover, I've revised my mapping.

And yes, I've read that both radios are not yet support in DCS. Yet ;).

 

Is there a switch for external lights like the F-18 has it? (Carrier launch during night etc...)

Is there a dedicated button for Jester, or will he activated with the intercom button?

Will it be possible to map "Reset master caution" and "eject"? As i can't understand why I can't map them in the Viggen...

T.16000M Tomcat.pdf

Edited January 15, 2019 by viper2097

[OnlyforDCS]

You don't want Jester to learn that you don't believe in his smartness

 

The pilot has to be certain that the active CMS function of the switch doesn't change unexpectedly, so it's up to you to command Jester to set the FLARE switch to the mode you want.

Nevertheless, Jester is smart enough to use chaff and flares if you let him do it, and then he will use all his smartness to spot for incoming missiles, if possible determine the threat type, and expense the appropriate countermeasures. For example, if he observes a SAM launch from an SA-3, he will use chaff only to defeat that threat. On the other hand, when unsure about the missile, he will use both chaff and flares.

 

Thanks for the reply Grover! That's reassuring :)

[Victory205]

Its a big difference if you give a man a fish, show him how to fish, or say "go f*ck yo*rs*lf, when you are hungry enough you will know where you gonna have to look for learning fishing".

 

I'm 33 and from Austria. I'm a Tomcat fan since I've seen Top Gun in my childhood. Only once in my life, I was able to see one Tomcat in a static display. I've never seen one flying a display or something else.

And I will never.

Tomcat pilots & Rios are probably one of the coolest people walking around on the globe for me.

I would have never thought that it would be possible to have such a detailed simulation like Heatblur will deliver. THIS is the closest I will ever get to a Cat.

It is unbelieveable for me, that REAL Cat pilots or rios are here in this forum to talk with us.

But this thread showed me now that those are probably not as cool as I ever thought.

 

Victory205, this is a forum for enthusiasts whom are loving that aircrafts.

None of us (except the devs, lol) is doing that here to earn money. Everyone doing this because of pure dedication. So you could be that cool and help people, share your informations and help people living their dream they will never reach. You have been one of those lucky people who lived the dream of so many here.

So don't be an as*hole, be nice, help people, or just leave.

Unfortunately, you changed my oppinion on F14 crews. Thats sad.

 

Leave? Generally speaking. Who are you, or anyone else here, to tell anyone what to do? I’m not here for your entertainment or to conform to your expectations. Dedication? Really? Define that. Joining some sort of group and labeling yourself as an ”Airwing Commander” or similar? What have you contributed?

 

Funny how people who see themselves as egalitarian are exactly the opposite.

 

I’m not a sim enthusiast like most of you. I’m here for a specific reason and it doesn’t include meeting the entitled wishes or demands of a few disaffected whiners.

 

I don’t have time to sit down and regurgitate information that is available elsewhere. If you are as dedicated as you say, then show some initiative like others have done and go find it. Here’s your opportunity to be somebody.

 

If you don’t have the time, then relax and wait for the module to drop. All of your dreams will come true.

Edited January 15, 2019 by Victory205

[Manuel_108]

Are you guys for real? Stop embaressing yourself, jesus. Some of you can be hilariously entitled and thin-skinned. You should be glad that a retired F-14 pilot spends ANY time on this forum to share some of his knowledge, he doesn't owe you guys anything at all.

 

Imagine telling someone not to be an asshole just because he told you to read a manual instead of regurgitating every little fact and sentence himself.

 

This forum has so far managed to chase off real world military jet pilots, I bet it can do it again.

[Pasquale1986]

Are you guys for real? Stop embaressing yourself, jesus. Some of you can be hilariously entitled and thin-skinned. You should be glad that a retired F-14 pilot spends ANY time on this forum to share some of his knowledge, he doesn't owe you guys anything at all.

 

Imagine telling someone not to be an asshole just because he told you to read a manual instead of regurgitating every little fact and sentence himself.

 

This forum has so far managed to chase off real world military jet pilots, I bet it can do it again.

 

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