AIM54 Multiple Targets

[bob34]

+++ please move to F-14 +++

 

I made a very easy training mission for myself to learn the AIM54's.

I have a flight of 4 MiG 23's in front of me.

Jester calls multiple bogeys 12'oclock 85 miles.

 

Can someone walk me through the commands I would give Jester so I could get 4 Phoenix's in the air on 4 different targets one after the other? I can't track this down via manual or training video.

 

Thanks....

Edited March 17, 2019 by bob34
Should have posted in F14 thread

[gabuzomeu]

Just fire the phoenix : by default Jester uses TWS and the bogeys are locked on.

If you bring up’the radar screen’ you will see there is a number on the right of’icon’ this is the order for’launch , wich turns into time to go after launch.

And you need to press trigger for about 4s to get a launch.

[bob34]

Just fire the phoenix : by default Jester uses TWS and the bogeys are locked on.

If you bring up’the radar screen’ you will see there is a number on the right of’icon’ this is the order for’launch , wich turns into time to go after launch.

And you need to press trigger for about 4s to get a launch.

 

If I squeeze the trigger 4 times w/out doing anything will they go out after 4 different targets or do I need to select 1, then fire, then select the next and fire?

[Coxy_99]

I used ACM launched 4 and none tracked lol

[WelshZeCorgi]

I used ACM launched 4 and none tracked lol

 

 

As I recall, ACM puts the Phoenix in a 'maddog' mode, where it automatically turns on it's radar the second it leaves the rail and starts chasing the first thing it sees. This is opposed to it's normal launch procedures, where it is guided to the target area by the f14 radar before turning it's missile radar on when it gets within 10-15 miles of the target, making it full fire and forget. Till then it's semi active homing.

 

 

The PH 's radar range is only 10 +/- 1 miles. So if you fire one in ACM if the target isn't within that range it won't track anything.

Edited March 20, 2019 by WelshZeCorgi

[Chops]

+++ please move to F-14 +++

 

I made a very easy training mission for myself to learn the AIM54's.

I have a flight of 4 MiG 23's in front of me.

Jester calls multiple bogeys 12'oclock 85 miles.

 

Can someone walk me through the commands I would give Jester so I could get 4 Phoenix's in the air on 4 different targets one after the other? I can't track this down via manual or training video.

 

Thanks....

 

 

Yes this would be very helpful if someone could provide documentation on how to work with Jester to lock AA targets and fire weapons. I have been unable to find these procedures in the manual, and have not seen any videos on this subject from the content creators.

[MRaza]

If you break lock before the AIM-54 goes pitbull, will it steer to the last datalinked target position and go active like the AIM-120 does? Or is it a wasted shot?

[Oceandar]

If you break lock before the AIM-54 goes pitbull, will it steer to the last datalinked target position and go active like the AIM-120 does? Or is it a wasted shot?

AFAIK, it could be a wasted shot because in this mode (TWS) the Phoenix would behave just like SARH missile. It still need radar guidance before it goes pitbull.

[gabuzomeu]

Bob: as Jester says: « just do this pilot shit »: press trigger . (4seconds, it’s long )

 

And to lock in stt mode:

Jester indicates a target, go to menu, STT lock , enemy target ahead.

Done.

[Kirkey_badgers]

I think when in flight in TWS mode and item will flash when "locked"

[fjacobsen]

RIO does not set the individual targets, the AWG-9 weapon system automatically prioritise targets. The RIO can assign a target as mandatory or exclude a target.

 

For multiple AIM-54 launches, stay in TWS mode.

Watch the TID closely !

 

When a group of enemy aircraft appears, they will show up as only one target when far away.

Only when they get closer will the AWG-9 system be able to see them as seperate targets and a priority number will be assigned to each detected unit.

This number is replaced by Time to impact when a missile is launched against it.

The number will start to blink once the AIM-54 goes from semi active to active.

 

The distance where the AWG-9 weapon system can see them as seperate units, depends on the groups formation spacing, target size and some other factors.

 

A group of 6 TU-95 with a formation spacing of ~1000 ft will start to show up as seperate targets at around 25nm.

 

Going into STT mode means that the radar only focuses on one single target and thus all fired missiles will go for that.

[Badger1-1]

just watch for the Hot Trigger light, if its on, its on(puts on sunglasses)

[Coxy_99]

As I recall, ACM puts the Phoenix in a 'maddog' mode, where it automatically turns on it's radar the second it leaves the rail and starts chasing the first thing it sees. This is opposed to it's normal launch procedures, where it is guided to the target area by the f14 radar before turning it's missile radar on when it gets within 10-15 miles of the target, making it full faf.

 

 

The PH 's radar range is only 15 miles. So if you fire one in ACM if the target isn't within that range it won't track anything.

 

Thats the thing they went sky bound.

[falcon_120]

If I squeeze the trigger 4 times w/out doing anything will they go out after 4 different targets or do I need to select 1, then fire, then select the next and fire?

 

They will go after 4 different targets, as far as, the targets have been prioritised on the TWS. So as some people already mentioned, you need to wait until a number to the right of each targets appears.

 

Example: if you have 4 targets and you see 1,2,3,4 at the right of each of them you can press the trigger 4 times. But if you see four targets but only the 2 closest ones have 1&2 to the right of their TID symbols, only 2 phoenix will go after them, the other 2 targets won't be engaged. (Dont know what happen if you shoot 2 more missiles, if they will engage again target number 1 and number 2 or if they will go maddog).

[solus]

Yes this would be very helpful if someone could provide documentation on how to work with Jester to lock AA targets and fire weapons. I have been unable to find these procedures in the manual, and have not seen any videos on this subject from the content creators.

 

:thumbup:They made 350 page long Manual, and almost none of it explains how to control F-14 in DCS. Something like Chuck's guide will definitely be helpful.

 

As for me, I still don't understand how to use AIM-54 in TWS mode to attack multiple targets. The only thing that works for me is STT, namely single target tracking.

 

I made several simple missions, in which my F-14 approaches 3-4 bombers on the same altitude. If I'm waiting - nothing happens, bombers just fly by.

 

I see their marks on radar, but if I launch AIM-54, my missiles don't lock on targets.

 

I really don't know what to do. Haven't find any Youtube videos either.

 

Maybe I'm missing something? I have to activate smth, press button ? :huh:

[Chops]

:thumbup:They made 350 page long Manual, and almost none of it explains how to control F-14 in DCS. Something like Chuck's guide will definitely be helpful.

 

As for me, I still don't understand how to use AIM-54 in TWS mode to attack multiple targets. The only thing that works for me is STT, namely single target tracking.

 

I made several simple missions, in which my F-14 approaches 3-4 bombers on the same altitude. If I'm waiting - nothing happens, bombers just fly by.

 

I see their marks on radar, but if I launch AIM-54, my missiles don't lock on targets.

 

I really don't know what to do. Haven't find any Youtube videos either.

 

Maybe I'm missing something? I have to activate smth, press button ? :huh:

 

Exactly, a Quickstart Guide similar to the one that came with the F/A-18C would be very helpful. The Guide should list out the step by step procedures, key commands, and control bindings required to deploy both AA and AG weapons.

 

I am also getting a lot of back talk from Jester like "no can do boss" or "unable" etc... Can't really blame him since he has a rookie up front.

[Ramsay]

As for me, I still don't understand how to use AIM-54 in TWS mode to attack multiple targets. The only thing that works for me is STT, namely single target tracking.

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I really don't know what to do. Haven't find any Youtube videos either.

 

This the best I've seen so far, though unfortunately it's only in 480p

 

Multi-target TWS starts at

, note that Jester is IFF'ing targets and changing HAFU's on the TID.

 

[WelshZeCorgi]

Thats the thing they went sky bound.

 

Then I don't know. Maybe that's why the ISS hasn't checked in today.

 

Also, correction, PH radar range in acm is 10 miles +/- 1 mile. Not 15 miles.