Lockon feud: 25T pilots call A10 pilots a noobs

[mcnab]

I noticed on Hypperlobby there's this huge war between 25T and A10 pilots.

I reckon it's because 25T has an AFM and it's a real pig to fly whilst A10 feels like those space Wing Commander fighters.

 

I can only imagine poor Froggers wrestling with their Ts to get to the target area, and once they get to the target area they wrestle with pointing the plane towards the target and once they do that, someone fires at them be it from ground or air and then they have to use all their muscles to make a 180 turn without crashing their noses into ground. Flying low for them is even more of a b*tch: they look like those paper ships going up and down, up and down all the way.

 

When they're about the land, completely exausted, they struggle hard and if they blow only one tire, they call it a picture perfect landing. It usually takes them 40 km straight line to line up with runway and set the speed and altitude right.

 

In the meantime, A10 pilots have like 25500 score on the score sheet with 176 units destroyed, 25 ships sinked and everything. They do a a short overhead pattern and land like those BattleStar Galactica fighters on a short approach.

 

So, what do u guys think, what would be the worst punishment for an A10 pilot? AFM? :D

[S77th-konkussion]

So, what do u guys think, what would be the worst punishment for an A10 pilot? AFM? :D

 

I'd call that a wonderful gift...

[rogue_blade]

I'd call that a wonderful gift...

 

and id call it an incredible gift to give it to all the aircraft so we can all suffer the joyful pain of AFM

[S77th-konkussion]

and id call it an incredible gift to give it to all the aircraft so we can all suffer the joyful pain of AFM

 

 

dittos to that!

[britgliderpilot]

Mmmmn.

 

I'm not sure AFM on the A-10 would be a pain . . .

[ThunderChief]

I am pretty sure that the A-10 with AFM would be at least veeeery slow. With the payload ppl fly with lockon, it would hardly reach 220knots i guess. But for sure it would be fun :pilotfly:

[nscode]

Mmmmn.

 

I'm not sure AFM on the A-10 would be a pain . . .

 

nor is the one on 25 if you know how to fly :)

[EricJ]

Mmmmn.

 

I'm not sure AFM on the A-10 would be a pain . . .

 

I agree, the flight control system is far more better on the A-10 anyways. I've seen them fly for real and even then it doesn't seem any different from what we experience it simulated...

[p_o_d_2_2]

lol, this is the most creative way of asking for AFM for more aircrafts that I've seen :lol:

[Mizzy]

I'd call that a wonderful gift...

 

The AFM is a gift to the flight sim community in itself!! ;) I admit it's a pity that we only have the Su25 at present, but have the feel of a real aircraft flying on our PCs is quite incredible.

 

Thank you Eagle Dynamics for giving us what you have already over the years.

 

Mizzy

[britgliderpilot]

nor is the one on 25 if you know how to fly :)

 

That may be true - but the fact remains that the 25T is an overweight, underpowered aircraft with tricky avionics. No matter what you do, you simply can't duplicate the turning performance of the A-10 in either of the 25 variants.

 

The A-10 is infinitely more nimble, has fire-and-forget missiles, and many more advantages besides.

 

 

I love the challenge of flying the Su25T - but if I was to fly any mudmover into battle (which is to be considered unlikely ;) ), I'd prefer the A-10.

 

But hey - if you love a challenge, then there's good news ahead with the Ka50 . . . . grin.

 

If you prefer the simple life . . . . I guess you'd probably better hang on until Tank Killers!

[cool_t]

Su-25 & the A-10

 

I think we discussed this befor,

 

A-10

1. Manuveralbility

2. Wepons payload

3. Armour.

4. The Gun

5. Fuel load

6. You can see out side the cock-pit.

 

SU-25

 

1. Weapons payload

2. ahhh eeeerrr.

 

Landing gear is weak.

Flight dynamics and Physics are out of control, yaw-pitch on high G turns are less than desirable. Especialy when your ground pounding, one might need to move out of the way of SAMs and AAA; SU-25 is a fling brick compared to the A-10.

 

I will take the A-10 any day.

 

T

 

P.S. The A-10 is a great jet to watch in an air show.

[RvEYoda]

It's pretty interesting how you really feel the difference with the 25T afm. If there is one plane I have never lost control in it is the su-25t for sure. Everything is smooth. There are no discontinous jumps from one control to another. Sure it is slow in handling, but....I have never ever been able to put it in a deep stall or spin.

[graywo1fg]

Yoda i have to definatly agree with you and i have to say to everyone... i might be the only one to say this but i actualy learned the Su-25T before the A-10.... because well i have no idea it was a long time ago and i was really drawn to the russian aircraft :P and after a LONG time of flying the 25T i tried going to the A-10 and absolutly was a Noob and was called a noob :P because i was so shocked at how easily it was to maneuver and get rounds in on target alot easier... but i fell in love with the 25T :D i'm with the T dizzle all the way!!! but i still fly the A-10.... i dont know if it is has been mentioned but you have to change your axis in the options screen but i forgot what to change it too and when you do the 25t will be alot smoother... but to the A-10 pilots out there... you can be the ones to take the fire and i'll be the one taking my time with the SAM's and a vikkr here and there and some clusters :D

[Kula66]

It's pretty interesting how you really feel the difference with the 25T afm. If there is one plane I have never lost control in it is the su-25t for sure. Everything is smooth. There are no discontinous jumps from one control to another. Sure it is slow in handling, but....I have never ever been able to put it in a deep stall or spin.

 

Well, I tend to 'fly' the vanilla 25 - raw avionics, no HUD, slightly less sluggish than the T, bouncy flight, glass under carriage and just as ugly! The trick I think is don't be tempted to overload it and keep the speed up ... but I've crashed plenty!! 100s!

 

I've just fitted some peddles (Simpeds) and am re-learning the AFM with those. My first attempts at ground steering were just like in a RL Cessna - weaving all over the taxi-way with the airlerons flapping wildly!

 

If the A-10 is nearly as good in RL than in LO, then that is one great plane!

[NotiA10]

i dont know what the trigger is for this over and over arising discussion which plane is better or worse and which is harder to fly, etc etc.

Maybe some feel that they are better if they pilot the more difficult to fly plane ? am not a phsychologist so am not going to go there.

 

i am certainly not an a10 specialist since i have never actually flown it nor am i a 25 or 25T specialist, since i have not flown one of the either - in real life that is.

 

fact is that these planes differ from the design point of view (e.g, they look different - or ?) which leads me to the assumtion that they also handle different or at least should.

 

personally i am an A10 fan but every now and then i fly the 25 and the 25T for a change and i dont think that overall either plane is less or more capable then the other it just depends what you are supposed to do and how you do it. in the 25 and the 25T you can strafe columns with the gun, you can kill tanks with the gun, you can fly in tight circles and yes you can climb a lot faster then the A10.

 

to line up 40kms just to land the frog is absolute rubbish.

 

for all those people who feel to be in a disadvantage flying one particular plane i have some food for thought:

 

 

accept it, change it or leave it !!!

 

 

 

 

Cheers,

:pilotfly:

S77th-NotiA10

[Pilotasso]

Players calling othe players noobs for playing just ONE plane is silly. Its like saying you dont like a dish that you have never tasted. I flown both and I can tell while the A-10 is easier to fly it has downgraded weapons compared to the ultra long range weaponry of the 25T and its even slower wich makes missions an exercise of greater patience.

[mcnab]

I think we discussed this befor,

 

A-10

1. Manuveralbility

2. Wepons payload

3. Armour.

4. The Gun

5. Fuel load

6. You can see out side the cock-pit.

 

SU-25

 

1. Weapons payload

2. ahhh eeeerrr.

 

Well, you could have at least added the armour for the 25T.

[El mudjahed]

That may be true - but the fact remains that the 25T is an overweight, underpowered aircraft with tricky avionics. No matter what you do, you simply can't duplicate the turning performance of the A-10 in either of the 25 variants.

 

The A-10 is infinitely more nimble, has fire-and-forget missiles, and many more advantages besides.

 

 

I love the challenge of flying the Su25T - but if I was to fly any mudmover into battle (which is to be considered unlikely ;) ), I'd prefer the A-10.

 

But hey - if you love a challenge, then there's good news ahead with the Ka50 . . . . grin.

 

If you prefer the simple life . . . . I guess you'd probably better hang on until Tank Killers!

 

 

 

Tank Killers? It this a Game? :confused: Can you please tell me more about it?

[britgliderpilot]

Tank Killers? It this a Game? :confused: Can you please tell me more about it?

 

It's part of the plan for the direction of future simulations from Eagle Dynamics, mentioned in a Russian interview.

 

 

After the Ka50, the plan is apparently to upgrade ALL the mudmovers to the level of modelling that the Ka50 will have (the implication being an AFM A-10, possibly using some development/research from the Air National Guard A-10C project).

 

After that, a similarly detailed F-16 and MiG-29 have been mentioned.

 

 

But bear in mind that this is a LONG term plan - I think Wags' sig still says something about saying your plan out loud is a good way to hear God laugh . . . . ;)

[MBot]

nor is the one on 25 if you know how to fly :)

That may be true - but the fact remains that the 25T is an overweight, underpowered aircraft with tricky avionics. No matter what you do, you simply can't duplicate the turning performance of the A-10 in either of the 25 variants.

 

The 25T might be overweight, but the Su-25 is a different matter ;)

[The_GOZR]

All planes have a sever pitch movements oscillation weirdness.. like if the air was a soft bouncy water pellow.

[Pilotasso]

I guess you never flown a real plane...the "weirdness" comes from the fact that there is inertia/aerodynamic effects involved and your used to fly on rails. ;)

[Force_Feedback]

Speaking about the vanilla Su-25A, can we have the same engine fire moddeling as on the Su-25T, I get sick of blowing up after shutting down both engines. The vanilla Su-25A (post Ghanistan) have sufficient armor to not blow up after a Stinger hit. Yet in lomac the engine always keeps on flaming, even after everything is shut down, and you're flying an overweight glider.

[britgliderpilot]

Speaking about the vanilla Su-25A, can we have the same engine fire moddeling as on the Su-25T, I get sick of blowing up after shutting down both engines. The vanilla Su-25A (post Ghanistan) have sufficient armor to not blow up after a Stinger hit. Yet in lomac the engine always keeps on flaming, even after everything is shut down, and you're flying an overweight glider.

 

. . . . and? :D

 

 

Shutting down both engines won't help if a fuel line is ruptured.

 

I don't know if that's the way they've modelled it, or whether it's an oversight . . . . worth asking for, I guess :)