Xtal VR headset

[Callsign.Vega]

I'm sure the lenses are sweet, but pentile pixels+woeful 70 Hz in a heavy bulky HMD for 5 thousand euro's is insane.

 

I certainly wouldn't buy one at least until the 9.3 mil RGB pixels at 90 Hz small/lightweight Reverb for 1/9th the price reviews come out.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Callsign.Vega

[rjetster1]

That is an interesting video… the fact that SweViver is testing the XTAL at their facility and they have DCS and other flight sims is amazing! They have the DCS F-14 video on their website! Hopefully they can bring this headset down in price for the consumer. The technology that XTAL is using today should be mainstream tomorrow anyway… time will tell. Just realized their Los Angeles office is 15 minutes away from me.

Edited May 10, 2019 by rjetster1

[mhe]

I'm sure the lenses are sweet, but pentile pixels+woeful 70 Hz in a heavy bulky HMD for 5 thousand euro's is insane.

 

I certainly wouldn't buy one at least until the 9.3 mil RGB pixels at 90 Hz small/lightweight Reverb for 1/9th the price reviews come out.

 

Look at the video link. 70Hz is something I'd like to see improvements on as well, but who gives a crap about what display technology they use if the clarity is as depicted?

 

Good luck trying to run 2k by 2k plus Supersampling at decent FPS to make the Reverb look good in DCS. The hardware required to even stand a chance of exceeding 70fps (in analogy to the 70hz) at highest details would probably cost you almost an XTAL, but at least StarVR prices.

 

Basically where the XTAL shines is efficiency. The amount of graphic fidelity and clarity they can squeeze out a mere 1440p render resolution is insane. Sure, you can go the brute force approach and try to make the same thing happen with sheer res and supersampling, but in the end you spend just as much money, only in GPUs instead of HMD.

[stefew1966]

Indeed

 

Look at the video link. 70Hz is something I'd like to see improvements on as well, but who gives a crap about what display technology they use if the clarity is as depicted?

 

Good luck trying to run 2k by 2k plus Supersampling at decent FPS to make the Reverb look good in DCS. The hardware required to even stand a chance of exceeding 70fps (in analogy to the 70hz) at highest details would probably cost you almost an XTAL, but at least StarVR prices.

 

Basically where the XTAL shines is efficiency. The amount of graphic fidelity and clarity they can squeeze out a mere 1440p render resolution is insane. Sure, you can go the brute force approach and try to make the same thing happen with sheer res and supersampling, but in the end you spend just as much money, only in GPUs instead of HMD.

 

 

Could not have put it better. And with the fact they are working on foveated rendering with their eye tracking (which is already in the headset) we could be looking at even better performance which to me sounds like future proofing the headset even more.

 

At the end of the day. Even if something else comes out in a year or two I will have had the chance to help improve knowledge about the Xtal and maybe even help the sim industry as a whole. Should be a fun experience whether it's the better headset or not. Time will tell.

 

Stef

[Harlikwin]

I'm sure the lenses are sweet, but pentile pixels+woeful 70 Hz in a heavy bulky HMD for 5 thousand euro's is insane.

 

I certainly wouldn't buy one at least until the 9.3 mil RGB pixels at 90 Hz small/lightweight Reverb for 1/9th the price reviews come out.

 

Well, I'm sure other companies will try to "borrow" their ideas with regards to magnification and lens design, IF they are feasible at lower price point. I not 100% convinced that its possible today though. The panel issue is pretty minimal, probably the easiest part of the system to "upgrade" for them for a V2.0, they could likely throw in 2160x2160 panels in there if they were dimensionally close and only have to deal with a minimal re-design. The main issue with the high res displays is the horespower to run them. The Xtal as it stands is totally runable on today's mid end cards.

 

But 5k vs 600 bucks... I know which way I'm leaning given that both sets will likely be obsolete in 2 years.

[Callsign.Vega]

I don't believe it. Good lenses can't magically make 2560x1440 pentile look super clear. The 5K+ I have has true RGB 2560x1440 and it leaves a lot to be desired. You cannot alter physics.

 

And for a device for 5K Euro to be using an old slow DP 1.2 connection is near criminal. Who is paying 5K Euro on a HMD to run with a mid-range GPU?

 

Even me with the worlds fastest single GPU (RTX Titan at 2175 MHz/water cooled) wouldn't consider it. It will be interesting to see how my GPU copes with the Index at 144 Hz and the Reverb's high resolution.

[Harlikwin]

You cannot alter physics.

 

You might actually have to understand the physics involved before commenting. The main reason you get better clarity is that they don't magnify or distort the display as much as other folks.

[33-DFTC]

I don't believe it. Good lenses can't magically make 2560x1440 pentile look super clear. The 5K+ I have has true RGB 2560x1440 and it leaves a lot to be desired. You cannot alter physics.

 

And for a device for 5K Euro to be using an old slow DP 1.2 connection is near criminal. Who is paying 5K Euro on a HMD to run with a mid-range GPU?

 

Even me with the worlds fastest single GPU (RTX Titan at 2175 MHz/water cooled) wouldn't consider it. It will be interesting to see how my GPU copes with the Index at 144 Hz and the Reverb's high resolution.

 

Just wow ! That's frightening to read comments like these oO

[Gnadentod]

I don't believe it. ...

"Look at me! I don't like what you say even when you have evidence on your side, I just will not have a look at your conspiracy theories. It's my feelings which matter and not the universe ok???"

[Tom Kazansky]

can we all come to the conclusion that XTAL is too expensive?

 

 

then a lot of fire is out of this thread an we can concentrate on other facts.

 

 

as far as I read, nobody ever said it is worth the money or it has a good price/value rate.

 

 

there stands: if Sweviver is right and unbiased, and did everything right as he made the comparison pictures of the gauges, which I asume, then there is something about the XTAL, the others don't provide yet.

 

 

and that is giving us all hope for the future. caus what I've seen til now didn't motivate me to spend even 500 EUR in VR, and I know that my future in flightsims is VR, too.

 

 

I hope there will be a thread called "XTAL vs HP Reverb" soon. But please, only start it if you have facts or experience. And don't care for the price tag. The numbers are the easiest facts to concider and judge by anybody's taste.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Tom Kazansky

[Callsign.Vega]

"Look at me! I don't like what you say even when you have evidence on your side, I just will not have a look at your conspiracy theories. It's my feelings which matter and not the universe ok???"

 

lol one guy subjectively testing the XTAL is just amazing "evidence". Yet completely ignore objective FACTS like very low 70 Hz, 2560x1440 panels with woeful pentile matrix and an ancient DP 1.2 connection for 5K Euros.

 

And I'm sure slow 70 Hz on the XTAL feels like 1000 Hz because of "lenses and stuff". I guess there's a sucker born every minute.

 

 

XTAl clarity versus an old 1080p original Vive. "Meh".

Edited May 11, 2019 by Callsign.Vega

[The Falcon]

I think you haven't seen any serious reviews about xtal. xtal is not bullshit.

 

The other hdm manufacturers are kidding us, they want to make money for years before giving a product that looks like xtal.

The hdm viewers are specially created badly.

Edited May 11, 2019 by The Falcon

[The Falcon]

[mhe]

 

I linked that exact thing, even with timestamp, before. Evidence was ignored as is common with naysayers.

[Harlikwin]

lol one guy subjectively testing the XTAL is just amazing "evidence". Yet completely ignore objective FACTS like very low 70 Hz, 2560x1440 panels with woeful pentile matrix and an ancient DP 1.2 connection for 5K Euros.

 

And I'm sure slow 70 Hz on the XTAL feels like 1000 Hz because of "lenses and stuff". I guess there's a sucker born every minute.

 

 

XTAl clarity versus an old 1080p original Vive. "Meh".

 

95% of users are running DCS at 45fps in VR. IF you can get 70 its great.

[Harlikwin]

 

as far as I read, nobody ever said it is worth the money or it has a good price/value rate.

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Nope. And if you bothered to read the first post, the OP said money was irrelevant. If he has no issue dropping 5k on it good for him. He may be related to house of Saud though ;). For the rest of us Plebs its a non option.

[dburne]

I think you haven't seen any serious reviews about xtal. xtal in not bullshit.

 

The other hdm manufacturers are kidding us, they want to make money for years before giving a product that looks like xtal.

The hdm viewers are specially created badly.

 

I think perhaps the others are quite aware a 5K dollar headset is not going to sell much in volume.

VR needs the others to continue to grow and thrive.

[Tom Kazansky]

Nope. And if you bothered to read the first post, the OP said money was irrelevant. If he has no issue dropping 5k on it good for him. He may be related to house of Saud though ;). For the rest of us Plebs its a non option.

 

 

Have to make my point clearer. Even the OP does not say it is worth any price. He says money is irrelevant. So we should not argue about the price.

 

 

 

It all comes down to: follow Sweviver or don't follow, as long as there are no other info about real experiences with the XTAL to come up here.

 

 

I'm going to wait for those.

[The Falcon]

I think perhaps the others are quite aware a 5K dollar headset is not going to sell much in volume.

VR needs the others to continue to grow and thrive.

I understand what you mean, but let me keep saying that the only thing that is growing is the hmd producers' portfolio.xtal is not special, xtal hmd is made with a different criterion. They will never be able to sell it at low price, they would not allow it.

Edited May 11, 2019 by The Falcon

[rjetster1]

PimaXTAL

[Gnadentod]

I guess there's a sucker born every minute.

10/10 points. Average people in terms of intelligence inflate their ego so much they think they are a genius. Our world in a nutshell.

 

Go watch the video where he explains to you how the XTAL works and then you know why the image IS sharper than in the Pimax with the same resolution. It's not that the XTAL does something magic, it more like the Pimax team isn't as capable as the XTAL one - they made a product which is more efficient. The image IS sharper AND it costs less horsepower to drive it. Deal with it.

 

And again, money is not the issue for the OP, so just let it out the discussion completely. It must blow your mind so much that "average folks" here on the forums are wealthy where most are "just nerds" right?

 

Keep wasting other peoples time.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Der Hirte

[The Falcon]

Think about an xtal with this tecnology :)

 

https://forum.pimaxvr.com/t/samsung-has-patented-a-vr-headset-with-a-flexible-and-curved-display-for-200-of-fov/5523

[bies]

I could barely, really barely afford XTAL and i'm still thinking about it. If the money wouldn't be an issue i would buy it in a minute without hesitation. If someone tries to proove XTAL is not much better than normal inexpensive headsets like Pimax, Odyssey, Vive Pro etc., he's just salty.

[Weegie]

VR is in my future but I really know sod all about it. I looked at Sweviver's review and thought Wow!!! It looks a complete game changer for the reasons Der Hirte pointed out.

 

I don't know why so many are negative about this headset, Green Cheese?

 

From my perspective it's low volume so high cost but it will have high quallity components and be well put together, F1 race teams do not buy crap.

 

Possibly where it really scores is Optics, anybody who knows anything about photography will tell you optics are more important than Megpixels when it comes to image clarity.

 

I wish the OP good luck and wish I was wealthy enough to jump in without too much hand wringing. I'd do it in a heartbeat if I was in that position

Edited May 12, 2019 by Weegie

[Supmua]

Yeah, this would've been my headset of choice if the price were around 2k. I'd think of it as a portable OLED TV. At the current price it is just too much for me, someone here's gotta do it though for the sake of science and DCS world :)

 

Edit: OP might also want to check out StarVR from ACER ($3200), since it is also right up there with the XTAL and compatible with Steam tracking (i.e. Index controller).

Edited May 12, 2019 by Supmua