Buying advice – next gen vr

[witwas]

As probably many of you guys, I am ready for a new vr headset. After two and a half years of loyal service my rift CV1 is ready to be replaced. I really like the CV1 but for more complex missions in ‘modern’ jets (FA18 or the Warthog) where you spend a lot of time pushing buttons and planning, it just isn’t good enough due to the blurriness (so you have to continuously zoom in).

 

 

I know Pimax and the new Valve index will or have high resolution screens but I invested a decent amount of money in a new PC last year (GTX 1080 and i7 7700k), and I am not planning on investing again in hardware or at least not again € 1000 or more. I assume a lot of you guys share this opinion. The Pimax seems to be also not comfortable and not really plug and play.

 

 

 

The Rift S seems an option but I am afraid that it is not future proof (at least not for “high” level simming). Vive Pro is expensive…….

In other words what could I buy that will run om my current setup that is comfortable but has significant better image quality than the CV1 for max € 1000.

 

 

Please enlighten me with your advice.

[dburne]

Rift S "should" give you better clarity for instruments while maintaining similar performance to the Rift CV1.

DCS is very demanding and some of those higher resolution will look good, may be a pain to get decent performance out of.

Wags commented fairly recently that he has tried the new Rift S and the instrumentation clarity was quite good.

 

Valve Index - may be pretty good, but they are backlogged now till like Sept.

HP Reverb - probably best in image based only on specs, but with highest resolution how will it run...

 

I decided to order the Rift S mainly on price and quality, my Rift CV1 has been rock solid for well over 2 years and I like the Oculus software and ecosystem.

[cercata]

If you only play DCS, I think the HP Reverb is the Best option.

 

If not, I think Rift S would be your best option, despite the bad sound, blacks, 80Hz, etc ...

[killerwhale]

Rift S "should" give you better clarity for instruments

 

 

If people are debating which headset gives you better instrument clarity, what does the outside world like

[jojo]

I'm like you witwas.

 

 

Core I7 7700K, GTX 1080Ti, 32Go RAM.

 

 

I'm not satisfied of CV1 resolution.

The best thing to do is probably to wait until this summer to have

- a better understanding of the new products

- see if ED can really give us the +50% performance boost in VR they promised.

 

 

Rift S seems good. But people playing with 1440p vertical resolution like the 5K+ are still using Super Sampling.

 

 

The Reverb may be the first headset where we could do without Super Sampling.

 

So my first choice would be the Reverb, if it doesn't work as expected in DCS, plan B would be Rift S.

 

 

Valve Index with 1600p vertical resolution doesn't deliver enough for more than twice the price of the Rift S.

 

You could almost buy a Rift S and a Reverb for the price of a full Valve Index set up.

[boedha68]

I am going for this one... :D

 

 

 

 

"The Dream" :D

[NeilWillis]

Matt Wagner speaks highly of the Oculus Rift S. Do a quick search for his views.

[bobshopsupreme]

Same boat as you with a Rift CV1. Am considering everything up to and including the XTAL. If Wags' feedback is correct, the for me Rift S seems like a pretty no-regrets move given the ability to sell the CV1 to get a bit of money back. That will keep me going while everything else shakes out with VR optimisations etc. Availability still seems good on May 21st here in France so I'll probably get one of these as I have friends who would buy it from me if I then decide to take another step up.

[Harlikwin]

Honestly, I'd wait a while for actual reviews to come in and also to see how well the DCS VR optimization actually works.

 

Contenders are:

 

HP reverb (supposedly out) Highest Res/clarity with 2160 panels good comfort and 600 bucks (but can it run DCS)

Rift-S (out) modest res/clarity bump good comfort, 400 bucks no issues running DCS

Valve Index (out in a few months) (modest res/clarity bump) 1k+ shouldn't be a problem to run DCS if you have high end rig

Acer-Ojo (no release date, but basic specs are out 2160 panels like HP reverb but also with adjustable IPD)

Vive Cosmos (least known about it possibly 2160 panels)

Edited May 9, 2019 by Harlikwin

[wormeaten]

Rift S is not a bad choice for starting in VR but it is not an upgrade to CV1.

Pimax is too expensive especially for the quality it provides. Not recommending.

In my opinion, you should wait for the first proper comparison between Reverb and Index. As you already own CV1 this will be good to wait even a year for a proper upgrade.

 

Real upgrade in clarity will be only with Reverb, Index, and XTAL.

About XTAL, they working on cheaper consumer version so will be affordable and in range of price as Pimax with better end results but we will know more about that only in Q4. So for wide FOV, you should wait.

Only those 3 HMD are a real upgrade and if you are limited by budget than just go for Samsung O+ for 300$. This is a really noticeable upgrade for that money but nothing more.

[Sniper175]

Rift S will be best choice for DCS World for new or even veteran VR flyers. Performance and experience will be better than a super high resolution headset like say the Reverb. As much as i love my odyssey + the wmr software and going through stupid steam vr to play dcs world is just stupid and it cost processor usage and thus hurts performance in dcs world.

 

Clarity is not everything, smoothness, performance and ease of use is more important, go Rift S wont be dissapointed. Odyssey + resolution is perfect as is, go 1.3 pixel density and you can read everything in the pit and also see tgts easier than any flat screeners, so no issue on my pit with it.

You dont need a 2080ti and uber 9900 processor for great performance currently with above headsets without killing graphics settings. Reverb will bottlekneck the 1080ti quick at its standard res, and 2080ti quick once you start upping the pixel density to get rid of all those jaggies you dont see in the pictures floating around...

[some1]

The Rift S seems an option but I am afraid that it is not future proof (at least not for “high” level simming). Vive Pro is expensive…….

 

With the current progress in VR tech, there is no "future proof" system. What's now "cutting edge" will be mid-range next year and low end in 2+ years.

 

I have Rift S on preorder, as it currently offers good balance between price, image quality and performance. Maybe I'll swap it for something else next year. If you can wait, then there are several high end headsets coming in the following months, or even very soon (Reverb), but each is a bit of an unknown for now.

[Harlikwin]

Just as a heads up the O+ is back to the 400-500 range, so I wouldn't consider it at this point.

 

If I had a lower end system I'd absolutely consider the rift-S, better clarity at a very minimal performance cost.

 

I have a high end system, so I'm basically waiting with bated breath to see how the reverb actually runs with DCS and some actual reviews of the index in terms of graphical acuity. Plus I haven't ruled out the Ojo or the Cosmos quite yet.

[Icebeat]

If you only play DCS, I think the HP Reverb is the Best option.

 

If not, I think Rift S would be your best option, despite the bad sound, blacks, 80Hz, etc ...

 

Rift S is not a better option at 400$ for only a bit of bump in resolution, at that price there are better options.

[Eaglewings]

Rift S will be best choice for DCS World for new or even veteran VR flyers. Performance and experience will be better than a super high resolution headset like say the Reverb. As much as i love my odyssey + the wmr software and going through stupid steam vr to play dcs world is just stupid and it cost processor usage and thus hurts performance in dcs world.

 

 

 

Clarity is not everything, smoothness, performance and ease of use is more important, go Rift S wont be dissapointed. Odyssey + resolution is perfect as is, go 1.3 pixel density and you can read everything in the pit and also see tgts easier than any flat screeners, so no issue on my pit with it.

 

You dont need a 2080ti and uber 9900 processor for great performance currently with above headsets without killing graphics settings. Reverb will bottlekneck the 1080ti quick at its standard res, and 2080ti quick once you start upping the pixel density to get rid of all those jaggies you dont see in the pictures floating around...

As someone getting into VR as a fresher, I find your thoughts and recommendations very useful.

For now I have a mid range rig and odyssey + and Rift S appeals most to me but seriously leaning towards the Rift S from usability and performance stand points.

 

Will be saving for the capable future proof rig to drive the higher end VR headset.

[Sniper175]

As someone getting into VR as a fresher, I find your thoughts and recommendations very useful.

For now I have a mid range rig and odyssey + and Rift S appeals most to me but seriously leaning towards the Rift S from usability and performance stand points.

 

Will be saving for the capable future proof rig to drive the higher end VR headset.

 

RGR, thats the way i see it, i could get the reverb but would be frustrated with the low graphics settings in order to get good performance with a 1080ti.. No way would i buy a 2080ti for 1400+ dollars right now. So ill check out the Rift S.

[some1]

Rift S is not a better option at 400$ for only a bit of bump in resolution, at that price there are better options.

 

There is none. The only headset with substantially better resolution is the upcoming Reverb, and it's noticeably more expensive.

All other headsets, you either have 1440p RGB (Rift S, Pimax 5k+) or 1600p pentile (Vive Pro, O+), which puts them in the same ballpark.

[Supmua]

Buying advice – next gen vr

 

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Edited May 9, 2019 by Supmua

[Harlikwin]

As someone getting into VR as a fresher, I find your thoughts and recommendations very useful.

For now I have a mid range rig and odyssey + and Rift S appeals most to me but seriously leaning towards the Rift S from usability and performance stand points.

 

Will be saving for the capable future proof rig to drive the higher end VR headset.

 

Yeah mid range, the Rift-S is probably a good bet. Though the O+ might have less SDE.

[digitaljjd]

Ultimate decision for me is what DCS decides to support, finger Tracking is what I'm waiting for. The Valve Index has my attention now, but I'm going to wait to replace the CV1 until more of the various units are out. I not a facebook fan, so I'll be happy to ditch it, not necessarily the Rift. The optical finger tracking on the Vive, Vive Pro and Cosmos looks cool too and the SDK was just released. One thing is for sure, I can't wait to flip virtual switches in the Viper when the time comes.

[Sniper175]

What exactly does facebook have to do with the Rift exactly? How does it effect the usage with dcs world or anything for that matter?

[wormeaten]

To be honest I'm thinking about to use Quest instead of Rift S.

 

My point is even it is standalone HMD will be possible to use it in the same way as google cardboard mobile phone based HMD with additional software like Riftcat or something else. Quest got two OLED displays same resolution as Vive PRO or O+ and the best thing will be a possibility to do it over WiFi. No wires with proper WiFi router on 5Gb/s. This WiFi solution will be cheaper than buying additional hardware for wireless VR.

Just wait, I'm guaranteed some people working on it already and we will see first examples in less than a month on youtube.

[Eaglewings]

To be honest I'm thinking about to use Quest instead of Rift S.

 

My point is even it is standalone HMD will be possible to use it in the same way as google cardboard mobile phone based HMD with additional software like Riftcat or something else. Quest got two OLED displays same resolution as Vive PRO or O+ and the best thing will be a possibility to do it over WiFi. No wires with proper WiFi router on 5Gb/s. This WiFi solution will be cheaper than buying additional hardware for wireless VR.

Just wait, I'm guaranteed some people working on it already and we will see first examples in less than a month on youtube.

This would be really interesting.

This could be a good way to enjoy the higher specs of the Quest on a PC. I would be surprised if the Quest can be wirelessly tethered to a PC and works without issues.

[digitaljjd]

What exactly does facebook have to do with the Rift exactly? How does it effect the usage with dcs world or anything for that matter?

 

We are all headed for a dirtnap one day so does anything matter? Facebook bought out Oculus for $3 billion in the before time (2014). It effects the usage by the concept of monetizing the Oculus Rift platform through integrated ads for facebook or whatever they choose to advertise, which in my opinion will only increase over time as all advertising does. They also collect information on rift usage. The terms and conditions include a line saying that the headset will collect “Information about your physical movements and dimensions when you use a virtual reality headset”, along with a range of more usual information like data about users’ computers and location. One line makes clear that Oculus and Facebook will be able to use the information it collects to market to people. “We use the information we collect to send you promotional messages and content and otherwise market to you on and off our Services", etc.etc. You might enjoy that, I don't.

Edited May 9, 2019 by digitaljjd

[dburne]

I am not so sure - the Rift S might be a nice improvement in image clarity over CV1.

We'll know here soon enough I guess.