Coop Campaigns

[TOViper]

+1

 

If that became reality, I would start buying them.

Otherwise I would not buy any of them.

Edited March 30, 2021 by TOViper

[charts100]

+1

[upyr1]

Yes.

[Wizard1393]

+1

[LithiumR]

+2

[upyr1]

yes 

[MAXsenna]

+1
Wish they could pin this.

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[Larzei]

Absolutely! When this happens I will start buing campaigns and probaly all of them for my modules.  

[shagrat]

The real bummer is, we now have multiple aircraft with multicrew (F-14, UH-1H, AH-64D, Mi-24) which would benefit greatly from an option to play them with a friend as RIO, WSO, CPG.

If the copy protection could simply verify locally, that each player in a multicrew or Multiplayer mission has a license, why not allow to at least multicrew the "hero-aircraft"? Multiplayer option would be the cherry on top.

[MAXsenna]

The real bummer is, we now have multiple aircraft with multicrew (F-14, UH-1H, AH-64D, Mi-24) which would benefit greatly from an option to play them with a friend as RIO, WSO, CPG.
If the copy protection could simply verify locally, that each player in a multicrew or Multiplayer mission has a license, why not allow to at least multicrew the "hero-aircraft"? Multiplayer option would be the cherry on top.

To my knowledge, the second player won't hear crucial parts of the story line. And that's one of the issues.

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[shagrat]

vor 16 Stunden schrieb MAXsenna:

To my knowledge, the second player won't hear crucial parts of the story line. And that's one of the issues.

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Why? Standard in older Campaigns is Sound/Text to all, in newer campaigns where you need to tune your radio both players (seats) need to tune their radio.

The crucial part, when it comes to multiplayer (in terms of more than one aircraft) triggers often fire for the player  unit (unit in Zone, unit altitude more than, etc.), but with a multicrew Apache, Huey, F-14 or soon to come F-15E, that's not an issue.

Even Multiplayer with two or more aircraft is often possible, by adjusting the triggers, but that's up to the campaign designer to decide, if he wants to adjust his stuff.

The first and most important step to make this work, is for ED to adjust the copy protection / license check in a way, that if both players in a two-seat aircraft have the same campaign and license on both PCs is verified, they can jump into the player aircraft together and play the mission as a crew.

With the license check working for multiple participants, the next step is for campaign creators to create multiplayer capable campaigns. Either from scratch, or by adjusting triggers in existing campaigns. Or people who purchased campaigns can add aircraft to the flight at their own risk and take care lead is the one aircraft to fire the triggers...

But multicrew is only dependent on a working license check for both crew members.

[MAXsenna]

Why? Standard in older Campaigns is Sound/Text to all, in newer campaigns where you need to tune your radio both players (seats) need to tune their radio.
The crucial part, when it comes to multiplayer (in terms of more than one aircraft) triggers often fire for the player  unit (unit in Zone, unit altitude more than, etc.), but with a multicrew Apache, Huey, F-14 or soon to come F-15E, that's not an issue.
Even Multiplayer with two or more aircraft is often possible, by adjusting the triggers, but that's up to the campaign designer to decide, if he wants to adjust his stuff.
The first and most important step to make this work, is for ED to adjust the copy protection / license check in a way, that if both players in a two-seat aircraft have the same campaign and license on both PCs is verified, they can jump into the player aircraft together and play the mission as a crew.
With the license check working for multiple participants, the next step is for campaign creators to create multiplayer capable campaigns. Either from scratch, or by adjusting triggers in existing campaigns. Or people who purchased campaigns can add aircraft to the flight at their own risk and take care lead is the one aircraft to fire the triggers...
But multicrew is only dependent on a working license check for both crew members.

Really? Then I stand corrected. I've never tested this myself, you see I've heard otherwise that this was a problem.
A huge thanks though!

Cheers!

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[draconus]

Here's Reflected's view on the thing, check #8:

[Reflected]

16 hours ago, shagrat said:

Why? Standard in older Campaigns is Sound/Text to all, in newer campaigns where you need to tune your radio both players (seats) need to tune their radio.

The crucial part, when it comes to multiplayer (in terms of more than one aircraft) triggers often fire for the player  unit (unit in Zone, unit altitude more than, etc.), but with a multicrew Apache, Huey, F-14 or soon to come F-15E, that's not an issue.

Even Multiplayer with two or more aircraft is often possible, by adjusting the triggers, but that's up to the campaign designer to decide, if he wants to adjust his stuff.

The first and most important step to make this work, is for ED to adjust the copy protection / license check in a way, that if both players in a two-seat aircraft have the same campaign and license on both PCs is verified, they can jump into the player aircraft together and play the mission as a crew.

With the license check working for multiple participants, the next step is for campaign creators to create multiplayer capable campaigns. Either from scratch, or by adjusting triggers in existing campaigns. Or people who purchased campaigns can add aircraft to the flight at their own risk and take care lead is the one aircraft to fire the triggers...

But multicrew is only dependent on a working license check for both crew members.

I thought the same until I actually tried. And realized only the server host can do user inputs for triggers, and then watched as a looped radio message flooded the screen forever. And then I haven't even touched cockpit argument related triggers. It's way more complicated to make it work than I thought. Thanks but no thanks.

If anyone wants to make some, go ahead. But it won't be me. 

Edited June 13, 2023 by Reflected

[shagrat]

vor 9 Stunden schrieb Reflected:

I thought the same until I actually tried. And realized only the server host can do user inputs for triggers, and then watched as a looped radio message flooded the screen forever. And then I haven't even touched cockpit argument related triggers. It's way more complicated to make it work than I thought. Thanks but no thanks.

If anyone wants to make some, go ahead. But it won't be me. 

 

It depends on the triggers used. If you look at missions, where the culprit is flipping switches in a cockpit, that shouldn't be an issue for multicrew.

For multiplayer where more than one aircraft is involved, there are two basic problems. 1) the unit based evaluations 2) the cockpit triggers and switches you mentioned. The later is definitely nothing we can currently adjust to "multiple" aircraft, but converting "unit in zone" triggers to "group in zone" or adding an OR to check for two units, works. Though I agree it isn't much fun, more tedious work.

Still I strongly believe if ED would adjust the license check to allow two players to launch a mission if both have a valid license for that mission/campaign we will quickly see someone creating a "multicrew" campaign for some of the aircraft... If the customer (at their own risk) could try multicrewing, or even flying campaign missions with buddies well aware only lead (host) can trigger stuff, so be it.

But I really see potential for multicrew aircraft, where currently there is a lot of effort in a campaign to emulate a living backseater, where a well oiled team of friends could have so much fun.