Will the stick move!?

[SpicyMiG]

I know it doesn't really move but I have heard there is a small amount of movement for tactile feedback. Will the sim reflect this accurately?

[Cytarabine]

I would have thought do. In the initial prototypes it did not but this was found to be disconcerting for pilots so the stick was given some movement (at least that is my recollection of what I had read).

[mvsgas]

I know it doesn't really move but I have heard there is a small amount of movement for tactile feedback. Will the sim reflect this accurately?

 

It moves about a 1/8 of an inch (3.1mm) I don't see how will they model this differently. I guess I don't understand your question. Could you elaborate?

[mkiii]

SpicyMiG If you are looking at the sidestick - then you are doing it wrong ;)

[Tailhook]

The animation in the pit will most likely be accurate but the axes themselves will be like every other aircraft. There will be no "G-stick", unless ED has a special options function that will cater to FSSB users.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Tailhook

[Flamin_Squirrel]

There will be no "G-stick", unless ED has a special options function that will cater to FSSB users.

 

:huh: I'm confused, I don't know what you mean by "G-stick".

[Kayos]

I have a x65f so I’m set :)

[viper2097]

:huh: I'm confused, I don't know what you mean by "G-stick".

 

IIRC, the real F-16 is not flown with the stick travel, instead with stick forces.

So when you wanna turn tighter, you don't (can't) move the stick wider, you have to pull it harder.

[EagleA25]

I have a x65f so I’m set :)

 

Ha, me too, but I also got me, about a decade ago, the FSSB mod for my Cougar... :thumbup:

 

Gonna need to dust it off though :lol:

[Flamin_Squirrel]

IIRC, the real F-16 is not flown with the stick travel, instead with stick forces.

So when you wanna turn tighter, you don't (can't) move the stick wider, you have to pull it harder.

 

Yep, that's not what I don't understand though - force or displacement, it's still just X and Y values. What has G got to do with that?!

[mvsgas]

I think this is a good video showing how much it moves

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Is a 360 video so you have to move the view.

You can also see the pilot using the trim switch for those that still erroneously think it does not trim.

Also, yes, this is not the versions of the F-16 we are getting in DCS. I am aware.

 

I'm still hoping SpicyMiG can elaborate on what he meant.

Edited May 18, 2019 by mvsgas

[Svend_Dellepude]

It moves a lot more than i thought it did.

[RaceFuel85]

The stick has roughly a 1/4 inch of travel

[mvsgas]

Maybe someone can do the math. 1/8 inch (3.1mm) at the bases, stick is about 6 inches (152.4mm) long. How much movement will it have at the top?

[Aluminum Donkey]

You guys really worry about this too much.

 

 

It's a force-sensing stick, but it's still mounted on rubber blocks (or something like that) so it can move a little bit, just to give the pilot a more intuitive control feel, since they all learn to fly on other types of aircraft and expect the control stick to move when applying force to it--it's the normal way it's done. It probably doesn't have to move much at all in normal flying, but it still moves a little.

 

 

So, the stick in the DCS module will probably move a little bit when you provide control inputs--especially heavy ones. You won't see it much because it's tucked away down and to the side--it's a sidestick controller, and you won't see it in the normal forward view out of the cockpit unless you zoom all the way out. The F-16 has a small cockpit, and the force-sensing sidestick was used because it takes up very little room in the cockpit compared to a center-mounted, full-moving (deflection type) control stick on a conventional gimbal.

 

 

 

That's it :)

 

 

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[Wags]

Yes, the stick moves to a small degree that matches the video posted above.

 

Thanks

Edited May 20, 2019 by Wags

[pii]

I know it doesn't really move but I have heard there is a small amount of movement for tactile feedback. Will the sim reflect this accurately?

 

I would think that depends on your HOTAS

[ShadowVonChadwick]

I'm shore at least two of those pilots had been drinking.

Edited May 26, 2019 by ShadowVonChadwick

[Magot]

Yes, the stick moves to a small degree that matches the video posted above.

 

Thanks

Exceptions were only on the first series of F-16A where the stick was complete without a move.

But this new "feature" caused several accidents in landing, because of some pilots couldn't adapt to this new system of control.

Edited May 26, 2019 by Magot

[BuzzU]

Cool video. I didn't know they made videos that we could move it around like that.

[FlyBoyd]

I know it doesn't really move but I have heard there is a small amount of movement for tactile feedback. Will the sim reflect this accurately?

 

If you watch the trailer again of wags flying through the gulf you can actually see a small bit of movement in the stick when he turns. That seems pretty accurate. And the stick at first didn't move at all but pilots had a hard time with that so they built in about 1/8" of movement to help.

[algerad3]

I have a x65f so I’m set :)

 

 

Me too and and a few fip panels. :D

 

 

Of course I will probably get more scripting time than stick time as that is the way it is now.

[Deano87]

If you watch the trailer again of wags flying through the gulf....

 

I think you mean Syria. ;)