ATC approach mode works great

[toutenglisse]

Just a heads up about auto throttles approach, as I've never used it before.

 

I tried with 2 different configuration, full load (3 ext. fuel tanks and CAP loadout - weight 21600) and light load (25% int. fuel and 4 missiles - weight 13550) on a windy day, doing quick final approaches.

 

I engage ATC when below 180 knots, with gears/hook/full flaps down, and only manage the approach vector with ICLS.

 

With heavy load it makes me hit the deck at 175 knots (beyond limits considering pressure on the wire but just for testing, no hornet land fully loaded), and with light load at 130 knots.

 

Works great ! , despite bad approaches with many corrections it makes things easier.

[CBStu]

I keep thinking this should work. I notice once I get settled in and have aoa correct, I am always at 135. I am not using speed as a guide, just noting it. If I drift low, I'll see 130-134. If I drift high I will see 136-140. I also notice there is some range allowed in approach angle, 1.5 deg maybe? So why not use auto throttle to hold speed and the stick to follow the glide slope as well as the localiser. Seems to me it would be a heck of a lot more natural so more easily done.

[macedk]

Sorry to bust your flying.

 

1. you need to be on speed,which has nothing to do with speed of your aircraft.

 

2. your aoa was all over the place and pitch is not used on landing.

 

3. false sense of safety. U took one part of the flying and made it auto and thinks that is it. it is not.

 

4. Had this been on multiplayer, I would have waved you off for not being on speed.

 

Easier does not mean right.

 

The reason I'm being hard on this, is that your procedure is unsafe and dangerous.

 

There is one procedure which real life pilots follow to the letter and there is a reason for that.

 

Many pilots hate landing on the carrier as it is a very very hard procedure with very high risk.

 

Real life, you will eject before risking the boat and crew. The many crashes we see on youtube, is because it went wrong 2 seconds before touchdown. Too late to correct and people die.

 

There is no corner cutting on this procedure.

 

The F-18 super hornet have a system to make the procedure more safe and make the human factor less. We don't have that system and need to follow the procedure made for this action.

 

It is tried and tested, do it this way or don't fly around the boat.

 

So please guys do not follow this procedure. Just be honest and don't land on the boat if you can't. I don't refuel in the A-10 cause I can't get to grips with it.

 

"But it's just a game" ..true and feel free to try all you want, but when posting a procedure to "make it easier" which is incorrect, it need to be told. My first ever try on landing was not to code but I did it. But I'm not saying it is the way to go. I posted it to show my first ever try and I got lucky. Real life I would have been send to a land base.

 

To sum up ...speed has nothing to do with landing...it is aoa and sink rate and yes you do use speed to control both but the actual speed of the plane is no factor. Speed might have influence on your sink rate and aoa but speed is not the factor.

 

So nice landing under wrong terms.

Please don't see this as a personal attack but as a friendly heads up.

Do it right or don't ...no inbetween here. Tough yep ...welcome to the most difficult thing in modern aviation :)

Here is my attempt from 2 days ago ....by far perfect but it try to stay within the procedure..I just need to get better :)

My video

[Scofflaw]

I thought ATC landing mode wasn't implemented yet?

[BarTzi]

I thought ATC landing mode wasn't implemented yet?

 

PA is indeed not implemented. OP is not aware of this.

[macedk]

PA is indeed not implemented. OP is not aware of this.

 

Also TMK it is not on the f-18c. It is in the super hornet.

 

Also it might be secret sauce.

[macedk]

Fighterpilot podcast did a mishap video. To me it nails it, why it is so strict.

 

Frag up and people die. In our sim world u just fragged a persons 2 hour window for some "relaxing" fun away from their real world :)

 

[Sierra99]

Sorry to bust your flying.

 

1. you need to be on speed,which has nothing to do with speed of your aircraft.

 

2. your aoa was all over the place and pitch is not used on landing.

 

3. false sense of safety. U took one part of the flying and made it auto and thinks that is it. it is not.

 

4. Had this been on multiplayer, I would have waved you off for not being on speed.

 

Easier does not mean right.

 

The reason I'm being hard on this, is that your procedure is unsafe and dangerous.

 

There is one procedure which real life pilots follow to the letter and there is a reason for that.

 

Many pilots hate landing on the carrier as it is a very very hard procedure with very high risk.

 

Real life, you will eject before risking the boat and crew. The many crashes we see on youtube, is because it went wrong 2 seconds before touchdown. Too late to correct and people die.

 

There is no corner cutting on this procedure.

 

 

Please don’t forget this is an entertainment sim. Nobody is going to Die if they don’t do it exactly correct.

[Nooch]

I tried with 2 different configuration, full load (3 ext. fuel tanks and CAP loadout - weight 21600) and light load (25% int. fuel and 4 missiles - weight 13550) on a windy day, doing quick final approaches.

 

I engage ATC when below 180 knots, with gears/hook/full flaps down, and only manage the approach vector with ICLS.

 

With heavy load it makes me hit the deck at 175 knots (beyond limits considering pressure on the wire but just for testing, no hornet land fully loaded), and with light load at 130 knots.

 

Hornet max trap weight is 34,000 lbs so I'm not sure it's necessary to test with such heavy loadouts...

Edited May 29, 2019 by Nooch

[Sarge55]

Please don’t forget this is an entertainment sim. Nobody is going to Die if they don’t do it exactly correct.

 

He did say that in his original post but you some how missed it in your "clipped" post. :music_whistling:

[toutenglisse]

Yes it's true the approaches I did were wrong (note I removed USN deck crew mod guys for occasion !).

 

About this ATC approach mode, as it is now, when engaged it first let the plane stall, and recover. From this point you can keep the E bracket all along till hitting the deck (final turn + approach).

A bit special / wip ? but the auto-throttle works (great imo but non academic opinion!).

 

Here a try using it this way (small nose att corrections instead of throttle ones).

[macedk]

The hornet we have/will get does not have a auto land system.

 

I'm respectfully trying to steer people away from a wrong option.

 

It is perfectly ok to try but please don't say it is a fix for what is not a problem. :)

 

 

To flip the coin, making power setting fixed with atc is to remove a element of your movement.

 

You need x components to land and u just removed one ;).

 

Is an autoland system a good idea ...jep and it is on the super hornet and F-35.

 

Sometimes it is a good idea to but the human on watch and not in control. :)

[G B]

The legacy Hornet does have an Autoland at the ship. It’s called an ACLS Mode 1.

[Keks]

Sorry to bust your flying.

 

1. you need to be on speed,which has nothing to do with speed of your aircraft.

 

2. your aoa was all over the place and pitch is not used on landing.

 

3. false sense of safety. U took one part of the flying and made it auto and thinks that is it. it is not.

 

4. Had this been on multiplayer, I would have waved you off for not being on speed.

 

Easier does not mean right.

 

The reason I'm being hard on this, is that your procedure is unsafe and dangerous.

 

There is one procedure which real life pilots follow to the letter and there is a reason for that.

 

Many pilots hate landing on the carrier as it is a very very hard procedure with very high risk.

 

Real life, you will eject before risking the boat and crew. The many crashes we see on youtube, is because it went wrong 2 seconds before touchdown. Too late to correct and people die.

 

There is no corner cutting on this procedure.

 

The F-18 super hornet have a system to make the procedure more safe and make the human factor less. We don't have that system and need to follow the procedure made for this action.

 

It is tried and tested, do it this way or don't fly around the boat.

 

So please guys do not follow this procedure. Just be honest and don't land on the boat if you can't. I don't refuel in the A-10 cause I can't get to grips with it.

 

"But it's just a game" ..true and feel free to try all you want, but when posting a procedure to "make it easier" which is incorrect, it need to be told. My first ever try on landing was not to code but I did it. But I'm not saying it is the way to go. I posted it to show my first ever try and I got lucky. Real life I would have been send to a land base.

 

To sum up ...speed has nothing to do with landing...it is aoa and sink rate and yes you do use speed to control both but the actual speed of the plane is no factor. Speed might have influence on your sink rate and aoa but speed is not the factor.

 

So nice landing under wrong terms.

Please don't see this as a personal attack but as a friendly heads up.

Do it right or don't ...no inbetween here. Tough yep ...welcome to the most difficult thing in modern aviation :)

Here is my attempt from 2 days ago ....by far perfect but it try to stay within the procedure..I just need to get better :)

My video

 

Thats a bit yikes from me, that post is cringe level bad.

 

Its a video game.

 

Instead of being helpfull and explain the physics behind onspeed aoa you chose to lecture some irrelevant safety stuff.

[SUBS17]

The hornet we have/will get does not have a auto land system.

 

I'm respectfully trying to steer people away from a wrong option.

 

It is perfectly ok to try but please don't say it is a fix for what is not a problem. :)

 

 

To flip the coin, making power setting fixed with atc is to remove a element of your movement.

 

You need x components to land and u just removed one ;).

 

Is an autoland system a good idea ...jep and it is on the super hornet and F-35.

 

Sometimes it is a good idea to but the human on watch and not in control. :)

 

Try flying a real Hornet and make multiple missed approaches on a bad day with multiple refuelling's and then you'll have a clue as to why these systems that aid the pilot to make the job safer and easier. It only takes 1 missed approach for a pilot to have to refuel, the basket is a very difficult thing to refuel with IRL. It is not easy doing this stuff and it is not good to assume that something like ATC would deny you the challenge of landing on a carrier. Hornets have ACLS BTW, if you do not want to use ATC then simply do not push the button.:thumbup:

[AnthonyD5189]

Sorry to bust your flying.

 

1. you need to be on speed,which has nothing to do with speed of your aircraft.

 

2. your aoa was all over the place and pitch is not used on landing.

 

3. false sense of safety. U took one part of the flying and made it auto and thinks that is it. it is not.

 

4. Had this been on multiplayer, I would have waved you off for not being on speed.

 

Easier does not mean right.

 

The reason I'm being hard on this, is that your procedure is unsafe and dangerous.

 

There is one procedure which real life pilots follow to the letter and there is a reason for that.

 

Many pilots hate landing on the carrier as it is a very very hard procedure with very high risk.

 

Real life, you will eject before risking the boat and crew. The many crashes we see on youtube, is because it went wrong 2 seconds before touchdown. Too late to correct and people die.

 

There is no corner cutting on this procedure.

 

The F-18 super hornet have a system to make the procedure more safe and make the human factor less. We don't have that system and need to follow the procedure made for this action.

 

It is tried and tested, do it this way or don't fly around the boat.

 

So please guys do not follow this procedure. Just be honest and don't land on the boat if you can't. I don't refuel in the A-10 cause I can't get to grips with it.

 

"But it's just a game" ..true and feel free to try all you want, but when posting a procedure to "make it easier" which is incorrect, it need to be told. My first ever try on landing was not to code but I did it. But I'm not saying it is the way to go. I posted it to show my first ever try and I got lucky. Real life I would have been send to a land base.

 

To sum up ...speed has nothing to do with landing...it is aoa and sink rate and yes you do use speed to control both but the actual speed of the plane is no factor. Speed might have influence on your sink rate and aoa but speed is not the factor.

 

So nice landing under wrong terms.

Please don't see this as a personal attack but as a friendly heads up.

Do it right or don't ...no inbetween here. Tough yep ...welcome to the most difficult thing in modern aviation :)

Here is my attempt from 2 days ago ....by far perfect but it try to stay within the procedure..I just need to get better :)

My video

 

Dude, it's a game.

[Freeroamer]

Can we get this locked and deleted it's false information.

[Mule]

Thats a bit yikes from me, that post is cringe level bad.

 

Its a video game.

 

Instead of being helpfull and explain the physics behind onspeed aoa you chose to lecture some irrelevant safety stuff.

 

The cringe is heavy with this one. I felt it too. Eeeeshhh!

[toutenglisse]

I'm just discussing this stuff - what's wrong?