Wishlist for potential planes after JF-17

[TaxDollarsAtWork]

Have they said anything about JH-7s?

Even an early one would be fun

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

 

Do it. H-5 it up. Give us the glorious centrifugal flow engines.

[LowRider88]

Hi J20,

Thanks very much for this survey and for all the great research.

My vote is for the Q-5.

There is one piece of research I have always wanted to pin down, and that is if the PLAAF or PLANAF ever used the Q-5 in actual combat.

Would you happen to have come across any such material?

[LowRider88]

Hi J-20, PLAAF, anyone,

Would anyone also know if the J-6A, i.e. the MiG-19P ever saw combat for the PLAAF, or the PLANAF?

i can only find sources which say only the MiG-19S was used by them in combat.

"　　 Due to the poor quality, the early-produced J-6 all-weather model did not play any role. Although all the refurbishments were completed by 1964, 66 aircraft were delivered to the Air Force one after another"

If anyone may know it would be appreciated if they can confirm.

https://news-ifeng-com.translate.goog/mil/special/jianliutuiyi/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui

Edited November 27, 2021 by LowRider88

[Torbernite]

Also interested in this question but logically I'm afraid that they were involved in no or nearly no combats in China.

As you see in this reference, it was until mid-1970s that PLAAF got truly reliable J-6A or MiG-19P. Former production of MiG-19P was unsuccessful with low-quality due to the special political and social condition, and the project had to be downgraded to producing the day-time version MiG-19S or J-6. PLAAF was quite dissatisfied with the early version J-6A and preferred to use the day-time version even in night interception. Most combat of "J-6" refers to this version. During that time, night combat of PLAAF was performed by MiG-17PF or J-5A, and specially trained day-time version J-6 under ground radar guidance.

It was the aging of MiG-17PF fleet that necessitated the re-producing of J-6A, which was successful this time but too late. The relationship between China and US had already begun to ease, recon aircrafts from US and KMT air force were less seen and finally disappeared over the China mainland, and intensity of national air defense had already reduced. In conflicts with USSR and Vietnam, PLAAF played roughly no significant role due to the outdated strategic thought and limited capability in long-range and air control combat, because this force had been especially built for national air defense for all the years before and had significant shortcoming on combat radius and long range navigation capability over unfamiliar terrains, and those opponents were also equipped with heavy SAM and fighter threats.

For the radar-equipped interceptor J-6A, it was not until 1990s that the US aircrafts or ships began to systematically provoke around China again, at which time J-6A's range had already been insufficient for long-range patrol or to intercept, surveil or expel these provoker (these missions often happened above the sea, instead of within the land border or coastline as in 1960s), and only J-8, JH-7 and flankers could actually carry out these missions to confront the tomcats to east of the island, the electronic recon aircrafts over South China Sea or Japanese phantoms and eagles from the east. 

Q-5 (also based on J-6) also suffered from low range and lack of avionic equipment for long range navigation and precise attack (even the gun & bombing sight was unreliable and impractical during its early time) for a long time. This also prevented its usage in Vietnam and South China Sea. When these problems were solved, the conflicts had already ended, newer attack-role aircrafts were also about to come into service in several years and Q-5 began to be outdated.

[LowRider88]

Thanks for your great feedback, Torbernite.

i was speculating that maybe the 66 J-6As refurbished in '64 could have been involved in the later described "Edge" battles, maybe when those took place during bad weather.  But the article seems to reject this.

i think you are right, no combat history evident so far for any J-6 type except for the version similar to MiG-19S.

There was another confrontation over a Han Class way later in time, which might have involved a J-6A, maybe also in bad weather or night time.  But that one was more of a passive intercept.  Maybe also one of the later J-6 types that J-20 described.

https://naval-encyclopedia.com/cold-war/china/type-091-han-class-nuclear-attack-submarines-1970.php

 

I am currently fascinated with this history.  It seems only the following were used in combat by PLA (excluding drone intercepts):

La-11

Tu-2

Il-10

MiG-15

MiG-15bis

J-5 (several variants)

J-6 (MiG-19S variant)

 

Seems Ki-43 II also used to lure away P-51s, but no actual combat.

[LowRider88]

I stand corrected.

Apparently the H-5 was also used in combat as well, as a landing ship escort and night anti recon illumination platform:

https://baike-baidu-com.translate.goog/item/伊尔-28轰炸机/15384862?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=nui

 

In this case, as much as I admire the Q-5, I change my vote to H-5!

Of course, I am good with whatever the Deka family decides.

[IcedVenom]

On 11/28/2021 at 10:42 AM, LowRider88 said:

Thanks for your great feedback, Torbernite.

i was speculating that maybe the 66 J-6As refurbished in '64 could have been involved in the later described "Edge" battles, maybe when those took place during bad weather.  But the article seems to reject this.

i think you are right, no combat history evident so far for any J-6 type except for the version similar to MiG-19S.

There was another confrontation over a Han Class way later in time, which might have involved a J-6A, maybe also in bad weather or night time.  But that one was more of a passive intercept.  Maybe also one of the later J-6 types that J-20 described.

https://naval-encyclopedia.com/cold-war/china/type-091-han-class-nuclear-attack-submarines-1970.php

 

I am currently fascinated with this history.  It seems only the following were used in combat by PLA (excluding drone intercepts):

La-11

Tu-2

Il-10

MiG-15

MiG-15bis

J-5 (several variants)

J-6 (MiG-19S variant)

 

Seems Ki-43 II also used to lure away P-51s, but no actual combat.

I think it would be really cool to get a MiG-19S though

[LowRider88]

7 hours ago, IcedVenom said:

I think it would be really cool to get a MiG-19S though

IcedVenom, me too! 

However, it is probably more easier for Razbam to build it since they implied they may, and already built the P.

I hope Deka and still give us a unique Chinese plane instead 

[IcedVenom]

Pakistan just purchased at least 25 late model J-10C's from China. This would be my dream jet so I hope Deka can pull some strings in the future (No I'm not Chinese).

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/12/pakistan-buys-a-squadron-of-chengdu-j-10-from-china/

Edited December 31, 2021 by IcedVenom

[Torbernite]

5小时前，IcedVenom说：

Pakistan just purchased at least 25 late model J-10C's from China. This would be my dream jet so I hope Deka can pull some strings in the future (No I'm not Chinese).

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/12/pakistan-buys-a-squadron-of-chengdu-j-10-from-china/

 

I would also get crazy for a J-10CE if possible. AESA, PL-10/15 pack, would be a nice counter part to the typhoon, especially when typhoon is pushing too much on the technical era of the game. But I wouldn't be too disappointed if not. J-10CE shares many characteristics with the original J-10C which makes some legal problem. And its avionics design or logic is quite similar to the JF-17 so not that much new user experience with it(especially if we get an earlier one).

[IcedVenom]

1 hour ago, Torbernite said:

I would also get crazy for a J-10CE if possible. AESA, PL-10/15 pack, would be a nice counter part to the typhoon, especially when typhoon is pushing too much on the technical era of the game. But I wouldn't be too disappointed if not. J-10CE shares many characteristics with the original J-10C which makes some legal problem. And its avionics design or logic is quite similar to the JF-17 so not that much new user experience with it(especially if we get an earlier one).

I didn't know the computer system is similar. If we get it then that would be fantastic as the JF-17's really the only modern jet I understand how the computer works lol

[Hodo]

A J-10 would be great.  But I would also be happy with any 80-90s Plaaf aircraft at this point.

[unknown]

uboats has a new Interesting avatar picture, is he teasing us?

Edited January 21, 2022 by unknown

[Mike_Romeo]

16 minutes ago, unknown said:

uboats has a new Interesting avatar picture, is he teasing us?

 

Looks like the nose of a J-10...



...which wouldnt be a suprise. Its known that Deka is working on a AI J-10. Here are some pics from their Facebook:

Edited January 21, 2022 by Mike_Romeo

[unknown]

That went totally by me, but i'm not following the forums as much as i did in the past. But thank you for clarification.

Just make it like HB with the A-6E, first make it AI, than let us fly(it).

[Mike_Romeo]

The pictures are showing a J-10A (inlets) which had it first flight 23 March 1998. Its older than the JF-17 and I dont think China has any A variants anymore so there might be a chance of seeing a FF J-10A in DCS.

[TacitBlue]

His profile picture isn't an A variant though. The A doesn't have a canted radome or IRST, it's a B or C variant or possibly the FC-20E/JS-10 that the Pakistani AF is acquiring.

Edited January 21, 2022 by TacitBlue

[WRCRob]

Interesting catch, but who knows. Hopefully we'll get something for lunar new year from Deka, but I am not going to hold out hope. 

[TacitBlue]

Yeah, I'm hoping for an update too since we didn't last year but, we'll see.

Another thing I noticed, and it might just be the angle of the picture; there isn't a visible pitot tube, which makes me think it could be a C.

[F-2]

Could be a B which was an interm standard produced in a single batch.

[Montes]

Please KJ600

[PLAAF]

16 hours ago, Montes said:

Please KJ600

Best if we have ZDK-03 and Y8F-400 too.

[Nyaruko]

Q-5 can drops "狂飙一号" hydrogen bomb,That's enough of a reason for me to buy the Q-5.

J-7G also good,much better dogfighter than MiG-21Bis,With better radar and missiles.it is definitely different from MiG-21Bis.

[Badger1-1]

On 7/8/2022 at 12:09 PM, Nyaruko said:

Q-5 can drops "狂飙一号" hydrogen bomb,That's enough of a reason for me to buy the Q-5.

J-7G also good,much better dogfighter than MiG-21Bis,With better radar and missiles.it is definitely different from MiG-21Bis.

No nuclear weapons allowed in DCS(since the Mig21)