Tried to Dead Stick Land on a Carrier - May I RIP

[flameoutme]

Finally finished the 1st mission of Cage Bear - well almost. Ran out of fuel before reaching the carrier at 15,000 feet. Tried a dead stick landing. I achieved the "dead" part. Crashed onto the deck.

 

Anyone ever make it in F-14 DCS?

 

Or for real?

 

BTW, it was a super exciting mission and 'recovery'.

Edited November 6, 2019 by flameoutme

[Top Jockey]

Managed to do it several times in some land bases at Caucasus.

In carriers, to be honest I don't recall now if I ever done it.

 

Not much to it, only that it's useful not to be much far away from land, or at the least have some good alttitude to convert in gliding distance.

[IronMike]

Ok guys, I will tell you this little story now haha: During development I was flying with one of our SMEs, an F-14 pilot who flew the D during his days. Him and a former Vietnam F-4 Veteran met up at the house of one of our other SMEs and they had a fun DCS "bro" night (they have been friends for years). :)

My job was to fly them around first, they'd fly as my RIOs to enjoy the ride. Needless to say that we had tons of fun and that it touched me to my bones, when the guys started walking down memory lane. It is quite special if the guy giving you instructions in the back how to perform a launch and so forth is a real ex Tomcat Driver. We'd then fly in formation and test a couple things, like jetwash and wing vortices, engine stalls and similar. We'd also knock it out in BFM etc and put the Tomcat through her paces. But for me personally, chauffeuring real Tomcat pilots around in my backseat was the biggest thrill of course. All the time during development I was wondering about the same question, and at one point when we were rtb, I remembered and asked our SME: "So, why do you sweep your wings 68° aft on the break?" Sure enough you get a Tomcat answer from a Tomcat pilot. He laughed and said: "Because it looks badass." I said: "Haha, yeah right. No, I mean srsly. It is trim, right? I always felt that when I trim it full aft before the break it is trimmed closer to what I need on the downwind." He laughed again and said: "No, srsly, it ain't trim or anything. It's really just because it looks badass." (I asked other Tomcat pilots later, and they all confirmed the same thing haha.)

Anyway, during one of the flights we had so much fun, that both him and I forgot to watch the fuel, so we ran down to 500lbs (read 200lbs), 30nm away from the boat, at about angels 30. The other two guys that did not fly always stood behind him looking over his shoulder, making snarky comments over Teamspeak, teasing us, and especially me, as much as they could of course.

Now, of course you can't just eject an SME lol. So I did my best to glide us in (take that hornet!), and glide us in I did. There I was in the groove with dead engines and 3 veteran pilots screaming into teamspeak: "Check autothrottle! Your VVS is off! Eject man, you won't make it! You suck, dude, you suck! I think we lost a gear! You are too low, you are too low! ..." Those screams after I trapped us with a 3 wire (I have witnesses, like our Swither) will stay with me forever. There you have it: the proudest moment in my (sim-)life. :D

 

**Keep flying. Never stop.**

Edited November 6, 2019 by IronMike

[Top Jockey]

Ok guys, I will tell you this little story now haha: During development I was flying with one of our SMEs, an F-14 pilot who flew the D during his days. Him and a former Vietnam F-4 Veteran met up at the house of one of our other SMEs and they had a fun DCS "bro" night (they have been friends for years). :)

My job was to fly them around first, they'd fly as my RIOs to enjoy the ride. Needless to say that we had tons of fun and that it touched me to my bones, when the guys started walking down memory lane. It is quite special if the guy giving you instructions in the back how to perform a launch and so forth is a real ex Tomcat Driver. We'd then fly in formation and test a couple things, like jetwash and wing vortices, engine stalls and similar. We'd also knock it out in BFM etc and put the Tomcat through her paces. But for me personally, chauffeuring real Tomcat pilots around in my backseat was the biggest thrill of course. All the time during development I was wondering about the same question, and at one point when we were rtb, I remembered and asked our SME: "So, why do you sweep your wings 68° aft on the break?" Sure enough you get a Tomcat answer from a Tomcat pilot. He laughed and said: "Because it looks badass." I said: "Haha, yeah right. No, I mean srsly. It is trim, right? I always felt that when I trim it full aft before the break it is trimmed closer to what I need on the downwind." He laughed again and said: "No, srsly, it ain't trim or anything. It's really just because it looks badass." (I asked other Tomcat pilots later, and they all confirmed the same thing haha.)

Anyway, during one of the flights we had so much fun, that both him and I forgot to watch the fuel, so we ran down to 500lbs (read 200lbs), 30nm away from the boat, at about angels 30. The other two guys that did not fly always stood behind him looking over his shoulder, making snarky comments over Teamspeak, teasing us, and especially me, as much as they could of course.

Now, of course you can't just eject an SME lol. So I did my best to glide us in (take that hornet!), and glide us in I did. There I was in the groove with dead engines and 3 veteran pilots screaming into teamspeak: "Check autothrottle! Your VVS is off! Eject man, you won't make it! You suck, dude, you suck! I think we lost a gear! You are too low, you are too low! ..." Those screams after I trapped us with a 3 wire (I have witnesses, like our Swither) will stay with me forever. There you have it: the proudest moment in my (sim-)life. :D

 

**Keep flying. Never stop.**

 

I understand you !

Those are the experiences which make this stuff outstanding.

 

edit: by the way you have a PM.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Top Jockey

[golani79]

Nice story IronMike :D :thumbup:

[S. Low]

Lol nice

[rrohde]

@IronMike - what a kick-ass "There I was" story. Love it. :thumbup:

[flameoutme]

Ok guys, I will tell you this little story now haha: During development I was flying with one of our SMEs, an F-14 pilot who flew the D during his days. Him and a former Vietnam F-4 Veteran met up at the house of one of our other SMEs and they had a fun DCS "bro" night (they have been friends for years). :)

My job was to fly them around first, they'd fly as my RIOs to enjoy the ride. Needless to say that we had tons of fun and that it touched me to my bones, when the guys started walking down memory lane. It is quite special if the guy giving you instructions in the back how to perform a launch and so forth is a real ex Tomcat Driver. We'd then fly in formation and test a couple things, like jetwash and wing vortices, engine stalls and similar. We'd also knock it out in BFM etc and put the Tomcat through her paces. But for me personally, chauffeuring real Tomcat pilots around in my backseat was the biggest thrill of course. All the time during development I was wondering about the same question, and at one point when we were rtb, I remembered and asked our SME: "So, why do you sweep your wings 68° aft on the break?" Sure enough you get a Tomcat answer from a Tomcat pilot. He laughed and said: "Because it looks badass." I said: "Haha, yeah right. No, I mean srsly. It is trim, right? I always felt that when I trim it full aft before the break it is trimmed closer to what I need on the downwind." He laughed again and said: "No, srsly, it ain't trim or anything. It's really just because it looks badass." (I asked other Tomcat pilots later, and they all confirmed the same thing haha.)

Anyway, during one of the flights we had so much fun, that both him and I forgot to watch the fuel, so we ran down to 500lbs (read 200lbs), 30nm away from the boat, at about angels 30. The other two guys that did not fly always stood behind him looking over his shoulder, making snarky comments over Teamspeak, teasing us, and especially me, as much as they could of course.

Now, of course you can't just eject an SME lol. So I did my best to glide us in (take that hornet!), and glide us in I did. There I was in the groove with dead engines and 3 veteran pilots screaming into teamspeak: "Check autothrottle! Your VVS is off! Eject man, you won't make it! You suck, dude, you suck! I think we lost a gear! You are too low, you are too low! ..." Those screams after I trapped us with a 3 wire (I have witnesses, like our Swither) will stay with me forever. There you have it: the proudest moment in my (sim-)life. :D

 

**Keep flying. Never stop.**

 

 

WHAT A GREAT STORY!!!!!!!!! Love this F-14 sim!

[grant977]

I hope the fighter pilots payed up in beer!!!!!

[Donut]

Finally finished the 1st mission of Cage Bear - well almost. Ran out of fuel before reaching the carrier at 15,000 feet. Tried a dead stick landing. I achieved the "dead" part. Crashed onto the deck.

 

Anyone ever make it in F-14 DCS?

 

Or for real?

 

BTW, it was a super exciting mission and 'recovery'.

 

Great stuff! So what made you crash onto the deck? Did you just run out of airspeed?

 

Ok guys, I will tell you this little story now haha:

 

Wow, incredible story! I would love to have a former Tomcat pilot looking over my shoulder...oh, the things I could learn!

 

Question about the wing sweep during the carrier break...is it an actual official in the manual Grumman/Navy procedure to manually sweep the wings aft, or was it something that the pilots themselves decided to do?

[draconus]

Question about the wing sweep during the carrier break...is it an actual official in the manual Grumman/Navy procedure to manually sweep the wings aft, or was it something that the pilots themselves decided to do?

It is actually shown in the NATOPS carrier landing pattern picture.

[javelina1]

Cool story Mike! thanks for sharing. Nice job on getting your Turkey home!

[bonesvf103]

I believe Victory on the forums said that yes it is badass, but also that the delta wing configuration makes you a high drag surface to slow you down...but the badass part is a much better explanation.

 

 

I recently had a harrowing landing myself, where after a hop and bagging 6 bandits (the AAR says 5 but I hit the one bandit with a missile and he was going down when my AI wingman's missile hit him so he got the credit for it) I was careless with monitoring my fuel. I had about 4000 lbs of gas left and I was 170 miles from the boat, and flying at low altitude NOE to avoid enemy radar until I got the the Gulf.

 

 

By the time I got back to the Gulf, I was able to get altitude up to 30000 ft, but I was very low on fuel. I went for a straight-in on the boat since this was a fuel emergency. I started to get really really low in the groove and I doubted I would make it and didn't want to increase power lest I burn the gas I had left. I somehow was able to put it down on the boat and catch the three-wire with only about 400 lbs of gas left. My engines flamed out as I taxied out of the landing area. Whoa.

 

 

So not quite a dead stick landing but a really messy successful landing.

 

 

 

 

 

Winning ugly, baby...!

 

 

v6,

boNes

[Solidsnakekillsu]

Yea I’ve gotten a 3wire dead engine landing. Had to glad about 40 miles back to the boat also I’ve got a video of about the last minute or so of the flight had someone RIO’ing and he made the video. I’ll see if I can’t upload it here soon

 

 

Link above is the video

Edited November 28, 2019 by Solidsnakekillsu
Added video