fianally...in cockpit comms

[BoneDust]

Yeah I agree, once its fleshed out it sounds like it will be good. But till that day comes I can't see alot of MP servers using it vs SRS which they already use.

 

I agree. Our wing will not use it because having 8-10 guys in one channel would be a comms nightmare. Once they have it frequency based then yes it will be good.

[BoneDust]

Another chapter in the ever repeating story of:

 

"Please give us "X", Please give us "X", we need "X"

 

"X" arrives...,

and the response is "Great !,

followed only a moment later by:

 

no - wait !

we need "Y"!

 

"X" is no use !

Why have they given us "X" when we need "Y" ?

 

You say "Y" is coming ?

 

But why target "Y" when "Z" is what would make us all happy ?

 

You're off base mate. Giving us VOIP that is not capable of using frequencies is not really giving us anything that on line wings can use. Its literally just teamspeak. Don't get me wrong. When VOIP is completed, yes it will be very good.

[Kid18120]

There's nothing better than just having to run DCS, join whatever server and just set the right frequencies to be on whatever comms you need. No 3rd party tools needed.

Though, until ED's VoIP system is fully implemented with every A/C radio without the need to mess around with rooms and what not, i think i'll stay away from it and keep using my handy .bat to run SRS and DCS when needed :joystick:

[LeCuvier]

There's nothing better than just having to run DCS...:joystick:

Agree! And the world wasn't created in one day, so I will not join the chorus of those who want everything, yesterday.

[Harlikwin]

The same logic like for every other EA module released, you are supposed to BETA TEST this and give feedback. :beer: ;)

 

Yeah, but I doubt anyone is actually going to use this instead of SRS at this point. If it had similar/more functionality sure. But if I may make the analogy, SRS today provides the functionality of a cellphone network, while this provides the functionality of 2 cans and some string. IMO no one in the MP community is going to use this and provide feedback on it because its too limited. Maybe if it somehow can work in conjunction with SRS.

[Harlikwin]

You're off base mate. Giving us VOIP that is not capable of using frequencies is not really giving us anything that on line wings can use. Its literally just teamspeak. Don't get me wrong. When VOIP is completed, yes it will be very good.

 

Yup.

[M1Combat]

Do you really feel like ED released this in the initial phase of just "some simple coms" with the intention that it would take over SRS, Discord and TS???

 

Seriously. I get you're just being a "realist" but no need to scoff at the effort and say crap like it was released "too soon".

 

It was released according to their plan.

 

Also... 4400 posts in one year?

 

Obviously.

[Bogey Jammer]

Do you really feel like ED released this in the initial phase of just "some simple coms" with the intention that it would take over SRS, Discord and TS???

So what would be the goal then ?

[Northstar98]

Another chapter in the ever repeating story of:

 

"Please give us "X", Please give us "X", we need "X"

 

"X" arrives...,

and the response is "Great !,

followed only a moment later by:

 

no - wait !

we need "Y"!

 

"X" is no use !

Why have they given us "X" when we need "Y" ?

 

You say "Y" is coming ?

 

But why target "Y" when "Z" is what would make us all happy ?

 

Seriously? Way to straw man an argument, I'm getting a strong taste of deja vu in my mouth.

 

I mean do you go on on this whole 'we can never be satisfied shtick?' when we first got the TGP for the Hornet? We'll call getting the pod itself, slewing it about and basic functionality 'X' the additional features like slave TGP to whatever 'Y' and TGP HUD symbology 'Z' I'm sure you know full well that when the TGP is implemented fully 'Y' and 'Z' are just extensions of 'X' - VOIP is no different, it has just taken it's first baby steps which is a fantastic step forward, there are other features coming that will greatly improve upon it's current functionality which some players find essential - ED have said it will include said features once given time. What is the problem here? it is absolutely no different to absolute anything else currently in EA that has more features planned, in fact that's what makes it EA in the first place...

Edited November 27, 2019 by Northstar98

[Harlikwin]

Do you really feel like ED released this in the initial phase of just "some simple coms" with the intention that it would take over SRS, Discord and TS???

 

Seriously. I get you're just being a "realist" but no need to scoff at the effort and say crap like it was released "too soon".

 

It was released according to their plan.

 

Also... 4400 posts in one year?

 

Obviously.

 

I'm not scoffing at the effort. But if ED actually wants people to use it and provide feedback then it needs to have the functionality people are already accustomed to and have had for years. Maybe server owners will take a step back from SRS to provide this data to ED, but it will be at the expense of realistic comms that we already have. This is step backwards for comms not forward at this point. I'm also not sure how much harder it would be to create a dynamic room on Freq 123.456 tied to planes systems. Which would be about what we have with SRS.

 

And only 762 posts? Why do you care how much I post? If you like I can subscribe you to my newsletter, 10 updates per day.

[Steve Gee]

Most current popular games have some sort of in-game communications system. ED's just catching up with the times is all. I don't think there's a nefarious intent on their part here. :)

[ddwg72]

Hey I think it is great.. needs a lot of work but good step.. Now I can use server comms and still be on a discord with my squadron. Beats SRS as even on the heavy SRS used servers still only 50% of the people actually use it. Maybe it will even stop some blue on blue as somehow it is a ground pounders fault they are not on the CAP channel to hear the raygun call.

 

 

 

I now a lot of pilots who dont want to bother with SRS as this will be great for them and communication on the servers.

[FZG_Immel]

SRS is still way better than this

[hazzer]

SRS is still way better than this

 

Does nobody read how this is a basic implementation before it goes above and beyond srs. Jesus christ.

[Tricky11]

Well our group uses Teamspeak when we 1st join the server to sort out what channels we will be using in SRS so what we are going to do instead of Moaning about this new feature we will be dropping teamspeak and testing this feature and provide feedback to ED to help bring it along.

[Tippis]

Does nobody read how this is a basic implementation before it goes above and beyond srs.

The point is that there is nothing to suggest it ever will go above and beyond SRS, and that by starting at such a basic level, it will not receive the kind of testing and feedback needed to go beyond the basics in any meaningful way.

 

Everyone has read it. That's why the problem is so readily apparent.

[Harlikwin]

Hey I think it is great.. needs a lot of work but good step.. Now I can use server comms and still be on a discord with my squadron. Beats SRS as even on the heavy SRS used servers still only 50% of the people actually use it. Maybe it will even stop some blue on blue as somehow it is a ground pounders fault they are not on the CAP channel to hear the raygun call.

 

 

 

I now a lot of pilots who dont want to bother with SRS as this will be great for them and communication on the servers.

 

Not really, those people that don't bother with SRS are unlikely to bother with actually setting this up. Or bother talking or bother listening, or bothering to know how to work the radio in their plane etc. On the public servers most people that don't bother with comms, are typically same guys that are taking off from taxiways and randomly shooting at friendly's. In other words a "people" problem.

 

SRS is stupid simple to get working.

[Harlikwin]

The point is that there is nothing to suggest it ever will go above and beyond SRS, and that by starting at such a basic level, it will not receive the kind of testing and feedback needed to go beyond the basics in any meaningful way.

Everyone has read it. That's why the problem is so readily apparent.

 

+1

[M1Combat]

wow. So just a simple question...

 

Did any of you complaining that this "isn't as good as SRS" think that initial release would be better than SRS?

 

Also...

 

The reason I care about your 4400 posts in a year is that it gives me a large indicator of your interest in the signal to noise ratio in your posts. If there's anything I've learned about forums and forum members in general over the many years I've been around the internet it's that the members who joined long ago with very few posts have a MUCH higher chance of saying things that matter instead of just wordy BS. I'm not opposed to people who post a lot... It's just that I can gather what is likely good information based on tenure and post count. Low post count is generally better :). More time is generally better.

[Rosebud47]

I think it´s pretty ignorant immediately start complaing about a new feature, which was just presented to public in it´s first stage.

 

The problem with SRS is, that you need to arrange to have it actively using, like teamspeak etc.

I don´t use text messages when flying in VR, what makes it difficult to get in contact with other pilots on a server to at least arrange, if SRS is used and which frequency to set up the radio.

 

With new VOIP in DCS this problem now is obsolete and you could get very easy in contact with other players on any server, especially in VR, where typing text messages into the keyboard while flying is a no-go.

 

Don´t understand the complaints - you could still use SRS as long as setting up frequencies with new VOIP is not yet implemented.

[Tippis]

wow. So just a simple question...

 

Did any of you complaining that this "isn't as good as SRS" think that initial release would be better than SRS?

Counter-question, equally simple: has anyone suggested anything of the kind? Or are you simply skipping over the reasoning being offered because strawmen are much easier to argue against?

 

The problem with SRS is, that you need to arrange to have it actively using, like teamspeak etc.

I don´t use text messages when flying in VR, what makes it difficult to get in contact with other pilots on a server to at least arrange, if SRS is used and which frequency to set up the radio.

The arrangement needed on the client side is “double-click exe before launching DCS” — the act of setting up for VR is already more complex than that. For modules with good radio functionality, the rest is already done in-game. For modules without good radios (eg. FC3) frequency setup will still be a hassle should the integrated version ever get to that stage.

 

Don´t understand the complaints - you could still use SRS as long as setting up frequencies with new VOIP is not yet implemented.

They have been stated pretty clearly. As long as people keep using SRS — and they will because the functionality of the integrated version is just too low — the integrated VOIP is dead in the water. It won't be tested properly; it will not achieve critical mass to warrant people moving over; without that critical mass, those who prefer it over a more fully featured external solution will not have enough people to talk to to make it worth-while using the integrated version. It will just languish as an under-developed fallback for people who have little interest to be part of any kind of larger coordinated effort — people who most likely won't use it anyway.

 

 

The real question here is, what is it about the basic version that even needs to be tested publicly? Connectivity? Codec? Server load? Why does it need to be rolled out in this state rather than with more complete functionality that makes it worth-while to actually try in a live environment?

[sobe]

A question:

The info on the chat system states: Note: client can't interrupt sound data from peers to his PC from simulation. n order to use another speech software you have to return to Main Menu, open OPTIONS - SOUND and uncheck 'Voice Chat' checkbox.

Does this mean that I cannot use Voice attack while AT THE SAME TIME using this chat function? I have this chat function set up for button 3 and Voice Attack set up for buttons 4,5 and 6. Is this a no go?

Edited November 27, 2019 by sobe

[Harlikwin]

wow. So just a simple question...

 

Did any of you complaining that this "isn't as good as SRS" think that initial release would be better than SRS?

 

Also...

 

The reason I care about your 4400 posts in a year is that it gives me a large indicator of your interest in the signal to noise ratio in your posts. If there's anything I've learned about forums and forum members in general over the many years I've been around the internet it's that the members who joined long ago with very few posts have a MUCH higher chance of saying things that matter instead of just wordy BS. I'm not opposed to people who post a lot... It's just that I can gather what is likely good information based on tenure and post count. Low post count is generally better :). More time is generally better.

 

I see Tippis answered the first part far more eloquently than I would have...

 

Well, lets leave it at I've been playing sims for 30+ years too... And I don't need to stoop to taking random internet potshots at people.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Harlikwin

[M1Combat]

Well... People have clearly stated that it isn't better than SRS and used that as an excuse as to why the new system wouldn't be used.

 

They're right. I'm not arguing that. I'm not arguing any of the points actually. I'm arguing the negative approach to the feedback about ED trying to implement something like SRS in-game.

 

I'm asking the people who just say "Well it's not as good as SRS so it won't get used" if they thought it would be better than SRS on day one. I think if anyone thought the plan was to implement an "SRS Replacement" on day one their ideas about ED's goal were just simply incorrect. I think that's the goal of the in-game solution as an end-game but to be honest it sounds super negative and "just please listen to me so I can have more post count" for people to just state the obvious... that it's not an SRS replacement yet.

 

So... The question.

 

Did anyone who is saying "It's not as good as SRS" think that it would indeed be better than SRS on day one?

 

If so... Well... that was dumb.

 

If not... Well... Then why are you complaining? Post count? Negativity for negativity's sake? What?

[Harlikwin]

For my part it was to provide feedback to ED, and its something that IMO they should have done apriori, gotten some buy in from the MP community from the start on what would be the bare usable minimum. I mean I'm glad they are doing it, but thus far the approach is subpar. I'm glad some squadron guys are gonna bother testing it for them.

 

As I have said and Tippis summed up perfectly:

 

"They have been stated pretty clearly. As long as people keep using SRS — and they will because the functionality of the integrated version is just too low — the integrated VOIP is dead in the water. It won't be tested properly; it will not achieve critical mass to warrant people moving over; without that critical mass, those who prefer it over a more fully featured external solution will not have enough people to talk to to make it worth-while using the integrated version. It will just languish as an under-developed fallback for people who have little interest to be part of any kind of larger coordinated effort — people who most likely won't use it anyway."

 

That being said, the bare minimum for me would have been integrated radio comms on a given radio channel with a PTT (like SRS/real life), and maybe some sort of global chat room that I can turn-on or off in flight (instead of typing). And that isn't asking for a ton more additional functionality either IMO.