Harlikwin Posted December 2, 2019 Posted December 2, 2019 Sorry if you are a razbam customer..... Aren't we all? But yeah, this half assed EA process some devs are using has to stop. I don't have much of an issue with the way HB is doing it and I'm glad that Deka is following in their footsteps. I am a bit dissapointed with ED and the whole hornet v viper debacle but I hope they learned something from it. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Harlikwin Posted December 2, 2019 Posted December 2, 2019 Also, anyone know if it will be on Steam on the 4th? Or I'm gonna have to wait? New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Shrike88 Posted December 2, 2019 Posted December 2, 2019 Aren't we all? But yeah, this half assed EA process some devs are using has to stop. I don't have much of an issue with the way HB is doing it and I'm glad that Deka is following in their footsteps. I am a bit dissapointed with ED and the whole hornet v viper debacle but I hope they learned something from it. ED yes, also Very disappointed in the Harrier, and its progress vs company communication and bug fixes and overall progress. Starting to wish Deka did the AV-8B, then at least it would have released near finished.
F900EX Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Sorry if you are a razbam customer..... no, i'm coming from the hornet. Where is the TGP? (the real one) Where is A/G radar? where is TWS? where is full Link-16? where is MUMI? i could go on and on. FFS you couldn't even over G the airframe until last week. you oculd pull the breakers, yank the stick for 30+G's and then laugh all the way home. wings and stores perfectly intact. if quality and % of completeness are dictating price at realase, this should probably be a $360 module, since its got about 4 times the features the 18 did on release. And Deka the new comer to 3rd party modules with no history for new a module, they spent total 3 years to get it to the point its at right now. Its not even 100% yet but your paying IMO well over a fair price for a unfinished module and betting the farm they will provide you will a full finished product what in another 3 years? Well in my world that's not how it works, but in the DCS world you only have yourselves to blame for that (myself included) paying for unfinished products and then getting the Devs to fix this and that, add more features and content and then fix more bugs... then timelines get pushed out so far to the right you don't care anymore since it was years and hearing the same ole horse crap its on the "to do" list. RAZ, Heatblur are all guilty of it Deka need to prove they are different from all the rest of the 3rd party vendors, but IMO they are going around it the wrong way and need to prove themselves 1st, but for the above reasons I'm not wasting $70 on a Vegas bet
shaHeen-1 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 And Deka the new comer to 3rd party modules with no history for new a module, they spent total 3 years to get it to the point its at right now. Its not even 100% yet but your paying IMO well over a fair price for a unfinished module and betting the farm they will provide you will a full finished product what in another 3 years? Well in my world that's not how it works, but in the DCS world you only have yourselves to blame for that (myself included) paying for unfinished products and then getting the Devs to fix this and that, add more features and content and then fix more bugs... then timelines get pushed out so far to the right you don't care anymore since it was years and hearing the same ole horse crap its on the "to do" list. RAZ, Heatblur are all guilty of it Deka need to prove they are different from all the rest of the 3rd party vendors, but IMO they are going around it the wrong way and need to prove themselves 1st, but for the above reasons I'm not wasting $70 on a Vegas bet Im sorry I don't get why deka needs to prove anything. No dev ever forced anyone to buy anything. They've also probably never committed to hard deadlines for anything. They're in one of the most challenging and least financially rewarding niches of the gaming industry. We're lucky we get anything like DCS at all. If you don't wish to support the cause its up to you entirely.
Fri13 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 It is difficult to say that what EA should be, like 18 months only for release, or 80% done? Or only one module at the time being in Early Access? Or how about simply require weekly updates? People want to test it... Then release every week something, than just small texture tweaks. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Im sorry I don't get why deka needs to prove anything. No dev ever forced anyone to buy anything. They've also probably never committed to hard deadlines for anything. They're in one of the most challenging and least financially rewarding niches of the gaming industry. We're lucky we get anything like DCS at all. If you don't wish to support the cause its up to you entirely. This guy. This guy has it going on. I love me my flight sims, but I could never work in development for them. Well, I bailed on development as a whole, so, it doesn't matter! Still, this dude right here knows what is up. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
agentdarnell Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 Not long ago every module was 50.00 or less. Then bumped up to 60 then up to 80. The pricing is getting crazy for modules. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Gman109 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 This guy. This guy has it going on. I love me my flight sims, but I could never work in development for them. Well, I bailed on development as a whole, so, it doesn't matter! Still, this dude right here knows what is up. +1. The amount of incredibly hard work/time that goes into developing these simulation games, for an incredibly small market compared to typical AAA games (and even non AAA games)...we're so fortunate to have something like DCS/3rd party devs at all. Do I wish we'd get more complete modules in EA release? Sure, everyone does, but the reality is these companies have business models with very, very slim margins IMO, and ED doing it the way they are right now is very likely to be the only way it's even financially feasible. Just my opinion, but I'd bet the farm I'm correct that it's either EA or nothing. It would however be nice if EA releases gave more information to the customer about our expectations in terms of time frames/etc on future updates to EA products. Primary DCS System: AMD 9800x3d, MSI Tomahawk 870, 6TB m.2s (2x2t, 1x2tb), MSI Ventus 5080, Seasonic 1200 PSU, 64GB Gskill 6000mhz CL30. 32" Asus 4K OLED 240hz, 49"MSI OLDED Secondary System : 14600KF, z790 Tomahawk, 32GB Gskill 6000mhz CL32, Asus 4090, 2x2TB m.2. VR: Quest 3 for now. Virpil T50x2,T50CM2x2,Warbrd x2, VFX/Delta/Flankr/CM2/Alpha/Tm Hornet sticks, VKB GF3, Tm Warthog(many), Modded Cougar, VKB Pedals/MFG Pedals/Slaw Viper RX+109Cam Pedals/Virpil Pedals x2, Virpil T50+T50CM2+T50+T50CM3+VMAX Throttles/CH Fightersticksx2/CH Throttlesx2/CH peds, Quest 3. Virpil Rotor TCS Plus. All virpil grips, TM Grips, working on VKB GF Grips.
CHRISXTR3M3 Posted December 3, 2019 Posted December 3, 2019 +1. The amount of incredibly hard work/time that goes into developing these simulation games, for an incredibly small market compared to typical AAA games (and even non AAA games)...we're so fortunate to have something like DCS/3rd party devs at all. Do I wish we'd get more complete modules in EA release? Sure, everyone does, but the reality is these companies have business models with very, very slim margins IMO, and ED doing it the way they are right now is very likely to be the only way it's even financially feasible. Just my opinion, but I'd bet the farm I'm correct that it's either EA or nothing. It would however be nice if EA releases gave more information to the customer about our expectations in terms of time frames/etc on future updates to EA products. I don't agree its EA or nothing. But if it is, then I choose nothing. Many of us have been horribly disappointed with both ED and 3rd party devs giving expectations in terms of time frames for their EA products only to have everything pushed further forward and set on the back burner while they "release a new EA product". I honestly believe this is the worst type of buisness model because the further you push a product that is in EA because you are trying to rack in some $$$ from another EA product then the more expensive the labor becomes and the less of a margin of gain you get from each EA product. There are examples from both ED and some 3rd party devs so I won't list them. But the smart business model seems to be to put out a very nearly, if not completed module, get paid and actually have a solid margin or earnings from that work, and then move on to the next product. Just do maintenance on product already released whenever an update creates a bug etc. But to be consistently working on 1 product and then 2 and then 3 that are on EA by the same company and dev team and not a single one get finished....well, that's just irrational and expensive. User Files for AV8-B, X55
joejoegetback Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 ok now its out $69.99 dam thats a very high pre alfa price, now i am maybe not the only one but ED is gonging a strange way. you pay a lot in alfas and they dont finish what they start. Anyway sorry Deka but they use you as all the 3th partner i hope you will get a lot of money for YOUR work. For me its not worth it, 50 Dollar would be ok for a mostly AG Fighter but 70 Dollars when someone already has a half working F18 and a alfa F16 this is not fair for Deka i think they will sell less cause of the high price!!! Anyway, Deka you did a good good job!! i follow you doring your process i am prout for your airplane hopefull to see more of your work but for this price i will will not support ED for there Work (last example F16). I will buy it direktly from you if possible but i think not. Maybe your planes we will see in new Flightsimulator 2020. ED: for you i can only say that i am a loal Pilot but to be true i play once more BMS cause there it works in case of the F16 and Dynamik Campain etc.. I am sad that of the high price there will be less buier but most of all and you know it LESS Player!!! There are less and less Players on the MP Server cause of the not finish Products? Why? Why you just work step by step an the smal things insteat of reinventing everything, clouds and smoke would be nice but pls focus on the AG Radar ? this would be fun for everyone, and you talked for years now and nothing happen(Viggen and Deka of Course not !!!) Why ? All the youtuber who make Tutorials Prespoil etc. you do a great job but i think you want just clicks and a free plane but pls be fair and tell the truth. Some of you did it i saw the youtube videos pls keep on doing what you do. Tell what you think and what would be done to get what we paied for! You have the Power to show the world an other side of DCS which is a bit sad, Dont get me wrong i am still a fan of DCS and for there Work i am just like some others enthusiasts a little bit disapointed! ED hope you get way back were you work very good for everyone ! see you in the sky :pilotfly: :joystick::pilotfly::music_whistling:
danvac Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 Will be possible to use Bonus points on JF-17? If yes, when?
Void78 Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 Not long ago every module was 50.00 or less. Then bumped up to 60 then up to 80. The pricing is getting crazy for modules. The prices are about right(for a finished module,not for EA though). But if they go any higher i am going to put on my surprised Benny Hill look. You can always wait for sales.
Hellcat Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 I really want to get this but at that price I think I'll wait for a sale already have the F16 to mess with at the moment ..... i7-9700K @ 5.0 l MSI MPG Z390 Gaming Plus MB l 32GB DDR4 2400 Ram l Sabrent Rocket Q 1TB M.2 l EVGA 3080 FTW l Win10 Pro l WarBRD/Warthog Hotas l VKB MkIV rudder Pedals l Reverb G2
JIMJAM Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 Yeah old schooler here who loves round gauges, lots and lots of knobs,buttons and leaves a long black streak across the sky. This looks great for the menu clickers. Hell it even takes itself off. It has a role for me. As a TARGET.
FZG_Immel Posted December 4, 2019 Posted December 4, 2019 I used 10 000 miles for this so I got it for about 59$ honestly, they are worth it. [sIGPIC]https://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic70550_3.gif[/sIGPIC] Asus Z390-H - SSD M.2 EVO 970 - Intel I9 @5.0ghz - 32gb DDR4 4000 - EVGA 3090 - Cougar FSSB + Virpil WRBRD + Hornet Stick - Thrustmaster TPR Pedal + WinWing MIP + Orion + TO and CO pannels - Track IR5
CommanderRabb Posted December 5, 2019 Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Yeah old schooler here who loves round gauges, lots and lots of knobs,buttons and leaves a long black streak across the sky. This looks great for the menu clickers. Hell it even takes itself off. It has a role for me. As a TARGET. Indeed, it is not the plane for me either. Prefer the analog stuff. But it makes a marvelous target drone. Which is what I spent my DCS time today doing. :) Edited December 5, 2019 by CommanderRabb Modules - F-18, F-16, Spitfire, F-5, Supercarrier, F-14, A10-C, MiG-21, Huey
F900EX Posted December 5, 2019 Posted December 5, 2019 Will be possible to use Bonus points on JF-17? If yes, when? Who knows, I'm going to use my bonus points on the F-16... IMO has a better future to been completed.
Worrazen Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 Deka need to prove they are different from all the rest of the 3rd party vendors I don't agree with that at all. Modules: A-10C I/II, F/A-18C, Mig-21Bis, M-2000C, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, P-47, FC3, SC, CA, WW2AP, CE2. Terrains: NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria
evilnate Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 Divide the price by the number of hours you expect to fly over one year, and then compare that with the amount of money you spend on other entertainment (movie theater, drinking at pub, date with girlfriend, etc).
Rudel_chw Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 ok now its out $69.99 dam thats a very high pre alfa price ... Not really ... please remember that back on 2011 the A-10C had a normal price of US$ 60 .. have you ever heard of inflation? Every gaming component that I've added to my PC to play DCS has been more expensive than any DCS aircraft .. TrackIR: US$ 150 ... TM Warthog Hotas: US$ 450 ... RTX-2070 graphics card: US$ 520 ... Oculus Rift S: US$ 460 ... so, complaining that the most important component of our gaming rig costs US$ 70 ? :doh: For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Harlikwin Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) Not really ... please remember that back on 2011 the A-10C had a normal price of US$ 60 .. have you ever heard of inflation? Every gaming component that I've added to my PC to play DCS has been more expensive than any DCS aircraft .. TrackIR: US$ 150 ... TM Warthog Hotas: US$ 450 ... RTX-2070 graphics card: US$ 520 ... Oculus Rift S: US$ 460 ... so, complaining that the most important component of our gaming rig costs US$ 70 ? :doh: Yeah its a bit of a joke. For 70 bucks I got a way more functional plane on day 1 than the F16 was on day1. I mean I have no doubt that ED will finish the F16, and they are making quick progress thus far. But, thus far systems wise the JF-17 is more complete than most of the EA planes I've bought, and even some EA planes that have been in development for years. And thus far I also have faith that Deka will get the JF-17 finished pretty quickly. Edited December 6, 2019 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
rrohde Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 Divide the price by the number of hours you expect to fly over one year, and then compare that with the amount of money you spend on other entertainment (movie theater, drinking at pub, date with girlfriend, etc). Exactly. And by that equation all DCS modules are way too cheap. :thumbup: PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
Harlikwin Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 Divide the price by the number of hours you expect to fly over one year, and then compare that with the amount of money you spend on other entertainment (movie theater, drinking at pub, date with girlfriend, etc). Yup... Then as a percentage of your total hardware setup too. I think if I waited for a sale I could buy 80% of all DCS modules for the cost of one Vipril stick/base combo or VR HMD etc. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
F900EX Posted December 6, 2019 Posted December 6, 2019 Exactly. And by that equation all DCS modules are way too cheap. :thumbup: rrohde, ( and this is not directed at you, since I know do did all you can) VKB can't talk broken promises / timelines, lack of customer service. I waited well over one year and just gave up Its not about what's cheap and the escalation cost, this is about getting fair value with the correct support and more importantly when DEVs comes out "selling the dream" that they stick with what they are selling and stick to a timeline that they can work with. Too often Dev's sell and dump then focus on the next project. FACT : its happened plenty of times with DCS modules and they are all guilty of it.
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