Flyby Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Just curious, but why not create the Mi-28 Havok? Is it a been-there-done-that gunship? It's a two-seater, and has a mast-mounted radome, plus it's gun is fully turreted ala the Apache. Perhaps it's even a lighter pilot workload? Might be fun. Flyby The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
ED Team Wags Posted October 20, 2007 ED Team Posted October 20, 2007 Need unclass data. If we get that, then perhaps in the future as modules. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544
Sundowner.pl Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Mi-28, AH-64D, Mi-24, AH-1W, OH-58D, AH-1S, A129, Tiger, Roivalk - all of those would be really interesting to fly... yet, let's think about it a minute. What is the real difference between Mongoose, Tiger and Roivalk ? Actually none, avionics - very similar, performance - very close, armament - nearly the same. Seriously, what's the point of spending a lot of time, and money, to make, 3 different choppers, that fly, and kill things exactly, like the FCR-less AH-64D ? Seriously, what we need are things that are unique. Unique in their performance, unique in tactics they need to work, and unique in the thought, that was behind designing it. Unfortunately, all the Euro-choppers (all two of them ;) ) are copycats of American programs - similar goals , similar technology etc. Let's make things... but let them be unique: - Let's make AH-1W, a good attack helo, yet not really advanced, and having really downgraded performance. - Let's make the AH-64D Longbow Apache (and give the choice to strip its FCR) and have the most advanced gunship out there - Let's have the Mi-28N, the same as Lonbow, but made so differently - Let's have the "devil's chariot" Mi-24, a helicopter so distinct, so different in use, than any other fielded chopper in the world. - And as a last one, let's get the OH-58D, a small recon helicopter, just to spice things up. We don't really need more. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
Dmut Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 ... and has a mast-mounted radome The working prototype of mast-mounted radome yet to meet a working prototype of Mi-28. They havn't actually. Mi-28 is a work-in-progress helicopter and it havn't score a single military frag yet. So, nothing to simulate yet. But Ka-50 instead have did flown some real missions in Caucasus region. "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
Avimimus Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 I agree with Sundowners thrust: Why not make the Mi-24 (transport and support helicopter) or Oh-58 (scout, command, light support and light transport/liason)? Keep all of them different experiences and design campaigns to match.
ED Team Wags Posted October 21, 2007 ED Team Posted October 21, 2007 Perhaps after the A-10A and Apache A; those will NOT change. After that, most anything could still happen and often does. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/wagmatt Twitch: wagmatt System: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3729544#post3729544
GGTharos Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Y'all make way for my DCS: F-15C darnit :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Squid_DK Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Y'all make way for my DCS: F-15C darnit :D You'd have to wait untill MY F-14A is done :smartass: Cheers Staffan http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM
Malleus Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 You'd have to wait untill MY F-14A is done:smartass: A simple F-14A module alone wouldn't do justice - for utter awesomeness, we'd need a Persian Gulf terrain for it.:smartass:
Squid_DK Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 A simple F-14A module alone wouldn't do justice - for utter awesomeness, we'd need a Persian Gulf terrain for it.:smartass: I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell. Cheers Staffan http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM
Sundowner.pl Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Mi-28 is a work-in-progress helicopter and it havn't score a single military frag yet. So, nothing to simulate yet.Sorry, but... what ? What about the #32, #35, #36, and #37 of ininitial production run, and all those 67 that are going to be delivered before 2015 ? On the 12th of July 2006 Vice Prime Minister ? Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation - Sergey Ivanov having visited Rostvertol plc (Russia, Rostov-on-Don) said that the country will always support the defence enterprises manufacturing competitive products. ?The Ministry of Defence finally staked on the Mi-28N helicopter which will be the basic combat helicopter for our Armed Forces?, - said Sergey Ivanov. He informed as well that the Ministry of Defence till the end of 2006 shall buy from Rostvertol plc 7 new Mi-28N helicopters - the Night Hunters. ?Due to helicopters high efficiency in fighting against terrorists? - the Minister added, - ?the MoD within 9 years shall buy from the Rostov enterprise 67 Night Hunters. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
159th_Viper Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Would personally love to have the SuperHind Mk III simulated..............one day :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
Malleus Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell. True, but the Gulf could have plenty of carrier ops too, and I was thinking about scoring some kills in the colors of the IRIAF.:captain: (By the way, sorry for the OT :) )
Dmut Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Sorry, but... what ? What about the #32, #35, #36, and #37 of ininitial production run, and all those 67 that are going to be delivered before 2015 ?we'll see in 2015. at this moment Mi-28 do test flights, some avionics blocks and mast-mounted radar are not ready, and Russian DoD do not use this helicopters. "There are five dangerous faults which may affect a general: recklessness, which leads to destruction; cowardice, which leads to capture; a hasty temper, which can be provoked by insults; a delicacy of honor which is sensitive to shame; over-solicitude for his men, which exposes him to worry and trouble." Sun Tzu [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic2354_5.gif[/sigpic]
Mnemonic Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Would personally love to have the SuperHind Mk III simulated..............one day :) Yea! Totally agree, I love this modification too :thumbup: But for that birdie we will need some Africa terrain...
joey45 Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 Back to the 28- i read somewhere [going back a fair few years this] that the 28 has a compertment in the back just big enough for 2 people. i.e. downed aircrew... The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
joey45 Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 is that incase one gets shot down so one can resue ones comrade.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
JaNk0 Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 That is one ugly beast! :joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Nordic Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 "Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them." Whoever has said this, i guess he refers to the Mi-24.:P Edit: Mi-24 not Mi-28
Shaman Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell. Cheers Staffan YeY! :pilotfly: F-14, baby! 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
Sundowner.pl Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 "Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them." Whoever has said this, i guess he refers to the Mi-28.:P Nope, actually Ka-26 :P http://www.airliners.net/photos/photos/4/8/0/0123084.jpg [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
MBot Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell. Cheers Staffan I know this is OT but hey, it's about the F-14 !:) Actualy both the mediterranean and the persian gulf would be my favourites to fly the Tomcat in. The med would offer the possibility of a semi-fictional 80's campaign against Lybia (perhaps with a higher intensity than real or soviet intervention). The gulf would work for the Iran-Iraq war, which would extremly interesting from a IRIAF Tomcat point of view.
Mugatu Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 Man, think you need to go back to the drawing board here, those helo's are very different not even looking at the avionics. For instance have a look at the max take off weight of the AH-64D v Tiger v Roivalk. Very different helos for different roles. Mi-28, AH-64D, Mi-24, AH-1W, OH-58D, AH-1S, A129, Tiger, Roivalk - all of those would be really interesting to fly... yet, let's think about it a minute. What is the real difference between Mongoose, Tiger and Roivalk ? Actually none, avionics - very similar, performance - very close, armament - nearly the same. Seriously, what's the point of spending a lot of time, and money, to make, 3 different choppers, that fly, and kill things exactly, like the FCR-less AH-64D ? Seriously, what we need are things that are unique. Unique in their performance, unique in tactics they need to work, and unique in the thought, that was behind designing it. Unfortunately, all the Euro-choppers (all two of them ;) ) are copycats of American programs - similar goals , similar technology etc. Let's make things... but let them be unique: - Let's make AH-1W, a good attack helo, yet not really advanced, and having really downgraded performance. - Let's make the AH-64D Longbow Apache (and give the choice to strip its FCR) and have the most advanced gunship out there - Let's have the Mi-28N, the same as Lonbow, but made so differently - Let's have the "devil's chariot" Mi-24, a helicopter so distinct, so different in use, than any other fielded chopper in the world. - And as a last one, let's get the OH-58D, a small recon helicopter, just to spice things up. We don't really need more.
Sundowner.pl Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 Should I care about the max take off weight ? Max speed, rate of climb ? Not really. What really mattes is what they do to get the job done. For instance. Flying an Mi-24 as tank killer you won't go hugging the ground, slaloming between trees etc. you'll go on high speed, shoot a cloud of rockets, and turn away preparing for the second pass. This is unique. Now the AH-64 do it like a lion stalking a gazelle, keeping low, slow, and silent. And Tiger, Rooivalk and Mongoose, do it exactly the same way. Only deference is, how much armament they can take, and how much punishment they can withstand. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If a place needs helicopters, it's probably not worth visiting." - Nick Lappos
Allo Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 I think a lot of people are trying to compare helicopters like they compare planes. Yeah they all do the same movements, but each one has a character of their own. It's like someone who doesn't know about planes saying the F-14 is the same as the F-15. They both pitch, yaw, roll. But I know they are not the same. They each have their own characteristics. A helicopter is the same, but the differences more Subtle. To someone who is intrested in planes more than helicopters, their all the same. I like my choppers and have been waiting for a highly detailed combat helicopter sim for YEARS(AND I MEAN YEARS)!!! I laugh because some people have been complaining about waiting 18 months for a fast mover. For instance have a look at the max take off weight of the AH-64D v Tiger v Roivalk. Should I care about the max take off weight? Max speed, rate of climb ? Not really. You might not, but I do. Simulation - the representation of the behavior or characteristics For me, it's not just about blowing things up. I think flying there and back will be half the fun. I'm not trying to have a dig at anyone. those helo's are very different I agree with Mugatu. I've seen the Tiger do some pretty amazing maneuver's. Edit. Simulation, yes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU - AMD Phenom II X6 1055T @ 3.6 GHz // Motherboard - ASUS M4A89GTD-PRO // GFX - ATI Radeon HD 6870 1GB // RAM - Patriot-Viper II 4GB(2x2GB) DDR3-1600 // Audio - Creative X-FI Platinum // OS - Windows 7 Home x64 Bit CH Fighterstick // CH Pro Pedals // CH Pro Throttle // TrackIR 4 // Eyefinity 20"x3 Portrait :joystick:
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