Mi-28 Havoc?

[Flyby]

Just curious, but why not create the Mi-28 Havok? Is it a been-there-done-that gunship? It's a two-seater, and has a mast-mounted radome, plus it's gun is fully turreted ala the Apache. Perhaps it's even a lighter pilot workload? Might be fun.

Flyby

[Wags]

Need unclass data. If we get that, then perhaps in the future as modules.

[Sundowner.pl]

Mi-28, AH-64D, Mi-24, AH-1W, OH-58D, AH-1S, A129, Tiger, Roivalk - all of those would be really interesting to fly... yet, let's think about it a minute. What is the real difference between Mongoose, Tiger and Roivalk ? Actually none, avionics - very similar, performance - very close, armament - nearly the same.

 

Seriously, what's the point of spending a lot of time, and money, to make, 3 different choppers, that fly, and kill things exactly, like the FCR-less AH-64D ? Seriously, what we need are things that are unique. Unique in their performance, unique in tactics they need to work, and unique in the thought, that was behind designing it. Unfortunately, all the Euro-choppers (all two of them ;) ) are copycats of American programs - similar goals

, similar technology etc.

 

Let's make things... but let them be unique:

 

- Let's make AH-1W, a good attack helo, yet not really advanced, and having really downgraded performance.

- Let's make the AH-64D Longbow Apache (and give the choice to strip its FCR) and have the most advanced gunship out there

- Let's have the Mi-28N, the same as Lonbow, but made so differently

- Let's have the "devil's chariot" Mi-24, a helicopter so distinct, so different in use, than any other fielded chopper in the world.

- And as a last one, let's get the OH-58D, a small recon helicopter, just to spice things up.

 

We don't really need more.

[Dmut]

... and has a mast-mounted radome

The working prototype of mast-mounted radome yet to meet a working prototype of Mi-28. They havn't actually. Mi-28 is a work-in-progress helicopter and it havn't score a single military frag yet. So, nothing to simulate yet.

But Ka-50 instead have did flown some real missions in Caucasus region.

[Avimimus]

I agree with Sundowners thrust: Why not make the Mi-24 (transport and support helicopter) or Oh-58 (scout, command, light support and light transport/liason)? Keep all of them different experiences and design campaigns to match.

[Wags]

Perhaps after the A-10A and Apache A; those will NOT change. After that, most anything could still happen and often does.

[GGTharos]

Y'all make way for my DCS: F-15C darnit :D

[Squid_DK]

Y'all make way for my DCS: F-15C darnit :D

 

You'd have to wait untill MY F-14A is done :smartass:

 

Cheers

Staffan

[Malleus]

You'd have to wait untill MY F-14A is done:smartass:

 

A simple F-14A module alone wouldn't do justice - for utter awesomeness, we'd need a Persian Gulf terrain for it.:smartass:

[Squid_DK]

A simple F-14A module alone wouldn't do justice - for utter awesomeness, we'd need a Persian Gulf terrain for it.:smartass:

 

I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell.

 

Cheers

Staffan

[Sundowner.pl]

Mi-28 is a work-in-progress helicopter and it havn't score a single military frag yet. So, nothing to simulate yet.

Sorry, but... what ? What about the #32, #35, #36, and #37 of ininitial production run, and all those 67 that are going to be delivered before 2015 ?

 

On the 12th of July 2006 Vice Prime Minister ? Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation - Sergey Ivanov having visited Rostvertol plc (Russia, Rostov-on-Don) said that the country will always support the defence enterprises manufacturing competitive products.

 

?The Ministry of Defence finally staked on the Mi-28N helicopter which will be the basic combat helicopter for our Armed Forces?, - said Sergey Ivanov.

 

He informed as well that the Ministry of Defence till the end of 2006 shall buy from Rostvertol plc 7 new Mi-28N helicopters - the Night Hunters.

 

?Due to helicopters high efficiency in fighting against terrorists? - the Minister added, - ?the MoD within 9 years shall buy from the Rostov enterprise 67 Night Hunters.

[159th_Viper]

Would personally love to have the SuperHind Mk III simulated..............one day :)

 

 

[Malleus]

I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell.

 

True, but the Gulf could have plenty of carrier ops too, and I was thinking about scoring some kills in the colors of the IRIAF.:captain:

 

(By the way, sorry for the OT :) )

[Dmut]

Sorry, but... what ? What about the #32, #35, #36, and #37 of ininitial production run, and all those 67 that are going to be delivered before 2015 ?

we'll see in 2015. at this moment Mi-28 do test flights, some avionics blocks and mast-mounted radar are not ready, and Russian DoD do not use this helicopters.

[Mnemonic]

Would personally love to have the SuperHind Mk III simulated..............one day :)

 

Yea! Totally agree, I love this modification too :thumbup:

But for that birdie we will need some Africa terrain...

[joey45]

Back to the 28- i read somewhere [going back a fair few years this] that the 28 has a compertment in the back just big enough for 2 people. i.e. downed aircrew...

[joey45]

is that incase one gets shot down so one can resue ones comrade..

[JaNk0]

 

 

 

That is one ugly beast! :joystick:

[Nordic]

"Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them."

Whoever has said this, i guess he refers to the Mi-24.:P

 

Edit: Mi-24 not Mi-28

[Shaman]

I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell.

 

Cheers

Staffan

 

YeY! :pilotfly:

F-14, baby!

[Sundowner.pl]

"Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them."

Whoever has said this, i guess he refers to the Mi-28.:P

Nope, actually Ka-26 :P

 

http://www.airliners.net/photos/photos/4/8/0/0123084.jpg

[MBot]

I'd rather want a mediterranean module, that would give some historical perspective on the 4 A2A kills made by USN F-14s against libyan assets, and a lot of carrier ops aswell.

 

Cheers

Staffan

 

I know this is OT but hey, it's about the F-14 !:) Actualy both the mediterranean and the persian gulf would be my favourites to fly the Tomcat in. The med would offer the possibility of a semi-fictional 80's campaign against Lybia (perhaps with a higher intensity than real or soviet intervention). The gulf would work for the Iran-Iraq war, which would extremly interesting from a IRIAF Tomcat point of view.

[Mugatu]

Man, think you need to go back to the drawing board here, those helo's are very different not even looking at the avionics. For instance have a look at the max take off weight of the AH-64D v Tiger v Roivalk.

 

Very different helos for different roles.

 

Mi-28, AH-64D, Mi-24, AH-1W, OH-58D, AH-1S, A129, Tiger, Roivalk - all of those would be really interesting to fly... yet, let's think about it a minute. What is the real difference between Mongoose, Tiger and Roivalk ? Actually none, avionics - very similar, performance - very close, armament - nearly the same.

 

Seriously, what's the point of spending a lot of time, and money, to make, 3 different choppers, that fly, and kill things exactly, like the FCR-less AH-64D ? Seriously, what we need are things that are unique. Unique in their performance, unique in tactics they need to work, and unique in the thought, that was behind designing it. Unfortunately, all the Euro-choppers (all two of them ;) ) are copycats of American programs - similar goals

, similar technology etc.

 

Let's make things... but let them be unique:

 

- Let's make AH-1W, a good attack helo, yet not really advanced, and having really downgraded performance.

- Let's make the AH-64D Longbow Apache (and give the choice to strip its FCR) and have the most advanced gunship out there

- Let's have the Mi-28N, the same as Lonbow, but made so differently

- Let's have the "devil's chariot" Mi-24, a helicopter so distinct, so different in use, than any other fielded chopper in the world.

- And as a last one, let's get the OH-58D, a small recon helicopter, just to spice things up.

 

We don't really need more.

[Sundowner.pl]

Should I care about the max take off weight ? Max speed, rate of climb ? Not really.

 

What really mattes is what they do to get the job done. For instance. Flying an Mi-24 as tank killer you won't go hugging the ground, slaloming between trees etc. you'll go on high speed, shoot a cloud of rockets, and turn away preparing for the second pass. This is unique. Now the AH-64 do it like a lion stalking a gazelle, keeping low, slow, and silent. And Tiger, Rooivalk and Mongoose, do it exactly the same way. Only deference is, how much armament they can take, and how much punishment they can withstand.

[Allo]

I think a lot of people are trying to compare helicopters like they compare planes. Yeah they all do the same movements, but each one has a character of their own. It's like someone who doesn't know about planes saying the F-14 is the same as the F-15. They both pitch, yaw, roll. But I know they are not the same. They each have their own characteristics.

A helicopter is the same, but the differences more Subtle. To someone who is intrested in planes more than helicopters, their all the same. I like my choppers and have been waiting for a highly detailed combat helicopter sim for YEARS(AND I MEAN YEARS)!!! I laugh because some people have been complaining about waiting 18 months for a fast mover.

For instance have a look at the max take off weight of the AH-64D v Tiger v Roivalk.

Should I care about the max take off weight? Max speed, rate of climb ? Not really.

You might not, but I do.

Simulation - the representation of the behavior or characteristics

For me, it's not just about blowing things up. I think flying there and back will be half the fun.

I'm not trying to have a dig at anyone.

those helo's are very different

I agree with Mugatu. I've seen the Tiger do some pretty amazing maneuver's.

Edit. Simulation, yes.