The_GOZR Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 Which plane do you consider the most hardcore/underdog. Not the one that have the best radar or the longest reach.
warthogmadman987 Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 name and avatar says it all, you cannot dispute it, cause its a fact!:lol:
Highwayman-Ed Posted January 9, 2008 Posted January 9, 2008 The Hog is under rated in Lock On, but mud movers don't get much glory. That said, I have around 10 Air to Air kills on HL from my pathetic winders and even one from my Gun on an unfortunate Mig that chased me into the hills and ran out of space and airspeed with all of those stores that he didn't jettison :D Intel i9-9900KF @5.2GHz MSI Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon 32GB G.Skill Trident Z DDR3200 RAM MSI RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 40" Panasonic TH-40DX600U @ 4K Pimax Vision 8K Plus / Oculus Rift CV1 / HTC Vive Gametrix JetSeat with SimShaker Windows 10 64 Bit Home Edition [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
graywo1fg Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I believe its the Su-25T. there is alot of things that bird can do, anti radar, strike, CAS...a super telescopic TV :P. but more people fly the Hog because its so easy to fly and learn. the first impressions of the T when pple fly it, is that its a buss. set your controls to slider and it will help out but the rest is in tinkering around with the thing and learning it and how to handle er. :) the Hog is underated but we'll have to.......wait..... for DCS :) Voice of Jester AI Death From Above =DFA= Squadron Discord - https://discord.gg/deathfromabove http://www.twitch.tv/graywo1f https://www.youtube.com/user/Lonewo1fg
Grimes Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 25a is the most hardcore aircraft to fly. After a sortie in that thing you might find just a bit more hair on your chest its that hardcore. Autopilot and fire and forget weapons and even a HUD are for whipper-snappers. 1 The right man in the wrong place makes all the difference in the world. Current Projects: Grayflag Server, Scripting Wiki Useful Links: Mission Scripting Tools MIST-(GitHub) MIST-(Thread) SLMOD, Wiki wishlist, Mission Editing Wiki!, Mission Building Forum
RvETito Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Agree with Grimes 100%, that's a hardcore plane, almost WWII stylish but still kicking a$$. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
The_GOZR Posted January 10, 2008 Author Posted January 10, 2008 Yes agree, and about the Fighter ? the one that need Bollox ? I vote for the "MiG29-A"
RvETito Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Well the 29A is actualy pretty easy to fly and operate. If you have to establish an air superiority with it though then you have to go really hardcore. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Yeniceri Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I would go A-10. its ugly (the WARTHOG!) its old its slow its not a jet. its a mudmover.. it was going offline for being "not usefull enough and old" then kicked a** in combat. And now its back again. in my count IT IS the underdog. And i dont even like the thing ;) [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
v1per Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 A-10. Su-25 cant take the damage the hog can ;)
bogusheadbox Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Well it has to be the 25-t hands down. Its the most hardcore as it is the only plane in lock on with a Advanced Flight Model. Its the underdog as it is not as manouverable by far in comparison to the A-10. It can only hold 2 fire and forget ordanances where the A-10 can carry a lot more. And the two it can carry are daytime usage only. So most hardcore plane to fly online is Su-25t Biggest underdog - SU-25t Therefore ....... Most satisfying plane to fly - SU25t But don't get me wrong. Flown right and with fighter cover - its lethal !!! Its the only plane i fly !!!
PoleCat Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 25-T AFM = Amazing! Out http://www.104thphoenix.com/
Force_Feedback Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Same here, though an updated Su-25A external model and extinguishable engine fires on the same plane would be really awesome. I love making emergency landings with the Su-25T, but the Su-25A is more agile, hence my request to ED to correct the engine fire bug (engine fire=explosion, even when fuel is cut off) for 1.13 or whatever patch there may be. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
The_GOZR Posted January 10, 2008 Author Posted January 10, 2008 Is the Su-25A AFM as well ? i need to fly it a bit.. I like the Su25T/TM as well, The A10 has also his merit for sure. As a fighter the MiG-29A is not the best armed to get the ennmey so you have to find the way not to get caught so it's survival is limited and you have to find the way to enter into your enemy airspace. .. which become the underdog fighter.. the absolute weapon of pilots that desired challenges ;)
Boberro Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 A10 IMO is for really big noobs. I played on it and without AFM and 25T complicatility game lost sense ;) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
tflash Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 I find the F-15C very hardcore *in Lockon*, I won't elaborate :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team Groove Posted January 10, 2008 ED Team Posted January 10, 2008 25a is the most hardcore aircraft to fly. After a sortie in that thing you might find just a bit more hair on your chest its that hardcore. Autopilot and fire and forget weapons and even a HUD are for whipper-snappers. Being a dedicated 25A driver i have to agree :D Especially the beginning is hard. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
NotiA10 Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 A10 IMO is for really big noobs. I played on it and without AFM and 25T complicatility game lost sense ;) what do you mean with "complicatility" ? further more and with all due respect mate, but the 25T is not that hard to fly, even with its AFM. if a plane is to be called "hardcore" its the 25a imho :pilotfly: NotiA10 CoolerMaster HAF RC-932 - Intel Core i7 950 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R - Kingston DDR3 6GB - Gigabyte Radeon HD 5870 EF 6 Edition - Western Digital 640GB SATA-III - CoolerMaster 700W - TrackIR Pro 4 - Saitek X52 - Saitek Rudder Pedals - Hotas Warthog
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Have you considered that maybe it's just a good plane and flies like that in real life? ;) Sure, you're missing the asymmetric payload issues and some of the extreme envelope problems, but other than that? The A-10 is a better plane. I guess you could keep saying that it's for really big noobs ... the question is ... which one will bring more pilots back home alive? That's the one I'd rather fly. ;) Other than that, I really don't see a huge difference between flying the 25/T and A-10. Heck, when it was released I was landing it all over the place without any problems either ... from the first go. So I don't know what you're talking about ;) A10 IMO is for really big noobs. I played on it and without AFM and 25T complicatility game lost sense ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
bogusheadbox Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Other than that, I really don't see a huge difference between flying the 25/T and A-10. Heck, when it was released I was landing it all over the place without any problems either ... from the first go. So I don't know what you're talking about ;) But you said this "Sure, you're missing the asymmetric payload issues and some of the extreme envelope problems" Not to mention you can taxi, land, take off and grass roll any SFM plane without threat of any major harm. There is a big difference in realism between the flight models of those two planes. Its not a case of being more difficult. Its a case of being more realistic. E.g. Those fighterjocks screaming round the taxiways like a touring car race. Yeah right :cry:
NotiA10 Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 try to land on grass in the a10 mate (then you will se what no major harm means) :lol: :pilotfly: NotiA10 CoolerMaster HAF RC-932 - Intel Core i7 950 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro - Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R - Kingston DDR3 6GB - Gigabyte Radeon HD 5870 EF 6 Edition - Western Digital 640GB SATA-III - CoolerMaster 700W - TrackIR Pro 4 - Saitek X52 - Saitek Rudder Pedals - Hotas Warthog
Yeniceri Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Have you considered that maybe it's just a good plane and flies like that in real life? ;) ... the question is ... which one will bring more pilots back home alive? That's the one I'd rather fly. ;) Well said.. Totaly agree! [sIGPIC]http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/misikci/41-imza-1.jpg[/sIGPIC] "To infinity...and beyond!.." SIM-MOD Modeler TURK!
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 Yes, the Su-25/T has more realistic behavior. But you said that the A-10A is for really big n00bs which is certainly not the case. ;) And yes, those people taking off on taxiways in particular ... but eh, what can you do. It's not like anyone can ground you and revoke your license. But you said this "Sure, you're missing the asymmetric payload issues and some of the extreme envelope problems" Not to mention you can taxi, land, take off and grass roll any SFM plane without threat of any major harm. There is a big difference in realism between the flight models of those two planes. Its not a case of being more difficult. Its a case of being more realistic. E.g. Those fighterjocks screaming round the taxiways like a touring car race. Yeah right :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
tflash Posted January 10, 2008 Posted January 10, 2008 But you said this "Sure, you're missing the asymmetric payload issues and some of the extreme envelope problems" Not to mention you can taxi, land, take off and grass roll any SFM plane without threat of any major harm. There is a big difference in realism between the flight models of those two planes. Its not a case of being more difficult. Its a case of being more realistic. E.g. Those fighterjocks screaming round the taxiways like a touring car race. Yeah right :cry: I must say I'm with GGTharos on this. I really do not think that the scripted difficulties in the Su-25T like the blowing tires or the shaking cockpit at overspeed etc. are an interesting addition to realism (the AFM itself IS, of course!). As for the fighters, OK IRL they do have a more "advanced flight" model than your Su-25T. (Trimming is fine, FBW is better) Indeed an F-16 flies like a breeze and you could do some runway speeding with it. Sorry the Su-25T humpy-bumpy can't. Live with it. Taking the Su-25T to CAS missions is indeed hardcore, but maybe for all the wrong reasons. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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