**Strickly SU-25T flyers ONLY post**

[Raised_Dead85]

:DOkay guys i can already feel f-15, mig-29, and su-27 flyer already here and listening what im going to ask! If not then its a miracle!:D

 

Anyways is it possible to fly undetected if i turn off all of my electronical devices in cockpit and not be able to be stopped unless with visual eyes?

 

Seems to me every time i fly i get knocked out of the sky and ive been flying for about 30-60 minutes and no ground kills which is waste of time i think but maybe not!

 

So you guys that are experts on the SU-25T you guys have any hard core tips, tricks, and performances?

 

Please dont be afraid to share them:smilewink::joystick:

[GGTharos]

Are you certain that you don't want to be asking those who would be shooting you down? ;)

No, turning your electronics off won't do anything for you. Our radar does not need your electronics to help it ... however ... your jammer will give you away from 2x to 3x the range the radar would pick you up at if you fly around with your jammer on all the time ... and sometimes you won't even know your jammer is being tracked.

[Vekkinho]

The only way to hide your Su-25T from radar is flying NOE and avoiding any fighters.

[Grimes]

Communication with your buddies flying CAP is always a plus, they can point you in the right direction and give you a good picture of the combat area. If there are mountains fly low if not try to be at least 2500-6000 meters. Theres no point in trying to hide behind hills that arn't there. This is actually kinda handy as you will have greater range with your SEAD missiles, depending on your alt you could be out of IR missile range. AND if needbe you can dump weapons and fly home. The 25t can haul it if it has no weapons on board.

 

Jammer off unless you want to attract unwanted attention. If you are engaging sams by all means use the jammer appropriately to buy time for a launch. Never fly with the thing turned on unless you really need it.

[SoaringEagle74]

I suggest you do the following and preferrably in this order:

 

1)read the book

2)practise the tuturials

3)read the lomac encyclopedia and learn/memorize as many units as possible

4)learn the mission editor

5)create small and easy missions for practise

6)when you feel comfortable go online. Unfortunately for us "noobs" the hardcore simmers run the show. They own the servers and do as they please...bad news if your a begineer, intermediate, advanced or anything in between!

7)be patient...no one became an expert over night!

 

Alternatively you can join a squad and let them 'teach you the ropes' if thats your cup of tea. Off course, they would probably prefer if you at least know the basics...like flying straight and level, landings, communications, aircraft specifics, basic a2g and/or a2a knowledge, etc.

 

As far as your questions can you be more specific as to who is shooting you down?! Is it sam, aaa or other aircraft? Are you attempting to fly online or offline? What missions? Your post was way too vague and therefore I cannot really help you!

[S77th-ReOrdain]

Turning on your IR Jammer also helps against heat seeking threats.

[graywo1fg]

are you getting locked up or is it an IR ground threat thats getting you? my tip that if you are getting shot from the ground is to read the breifing and to know what waypoint it is that you need to look for the targets and be VERY aware. or try to be. go to your waypoint and look for anything. you cant expect things to suddenly pop up your going to have to look for it. get some altitude but if there are enemy planes in the area you might have to compramise and get LOW.

[bogusheadbox]

To be honest. no.

Your best chance of avoidance will be low in a deep canyon. However a high flying fighter will still paint you if they know what they are doing.

But realistically, if the fighter is not distracted by another fighter, you are pretty much dead meat. You may evade a few missiles, but he's gonna get ya.

But here are a few things you can do to help.

On start up in the 25t - start your IR Jammers straight away.

Do not use radar jammers unless you have to. (its a come and get me sign from a long way away)

25's come with loads of flares and chaff. - Go nuts with them, they make you look pretty and can save your bacon.

Use the notching technique for radar threats.

High speed, hard turns.

<Most important> Fly with fighter cover.

Though saying that i have snuck up onto my target area a few times unopposed with no cover and have even had the joy to say an F-15 flew straight past me and i got him with R-73's (though in his defense he was in enemy territory and his RWR would have been keeping him occupied).

Its a hard job being a frog pilot. That is why we are better than the rest ;-)

[Frostie]

You need fighters, plain and simple, no other safe way:P

When your in the line of fire you've got three options

1. Turn tail and run

2. Pray that nobody sees you, closing your eyes might help

3. Go offensive, plenty of CM's and Vikhrs can become a nasty suprise to unwitting jocks.:D

[159th_Viper]

Familiarize yourself well with the Mission Brief and plan your Ingress accordingly - the Best way into the HZ is not necessarily from Point A to B as the Crow Flies..........

 

Should you find yourself without Fighter Cover - Hide well, Pop Up and Strike Once and Strike Fast and Strike Hard and then Hit the Weeds and get the Hell outta Dodge cause they're gonna come looking for ya if they have not already found ya!

 

I've had many an enjoyable flight Striking and Running, all the while being hunted........Feels great when you RTB successfully :D

 

 

Then again, without Fighter Cover, when you have the likes of Yoda or GG hunting you, chances are you're gonna be riding the Silk Express home :)

[GGTharos]

Eh, I've been owned by a frog or two when I haven't been paying attention, it happens .. but yeah, in general if I know where you are and there isn't fighter or SAM cover to distract me from you, you'd be in trouble.

 

Though recently I was flying on the 104 and it was just me and a guy in a Su-25T, I got on his wing when he got to my territory and convinced him to go back instead of blowing him up. It was different :)

[Force_Feedback]

Yes, please turn on your Jammers, I remember how great that was, knowing the route of enemy Su-25Ts, popping up from a ridge, let the EOS give me a nice blip, lock it, and, now comes the best part, I could chose wether to use the R-27ET, R-77, R-73, or the 46kg light Gsh-301 30mm fungun ;) So yes, turn your IR jammers on.

 

P.S. I don't fly online no more, but don't bitch if you get an ET up your tailpipes.

[Raised_Dead85]

Hmm good points guys! LOL i always fly with jammer on. Ill be turning that off.

[S77th-ReOrdain]

There are 2 jammers in the Su-25T (IR and ECM - just in case there was any confusion there). Of course, you need to carry the jamming pods for ECM jamming. FF has provided a vivid verbal illustration of why ECM jamming is not a good idea without air cover or if there is no immediate surface to air threat. But do the tutorials and learn the autopilot capabilities, as has been suggested. If you're craving more info after that, check out Ironhand's site.

 

http://www.flankertraining.com/ironhand/a2g.htm

[Eagle Driver]

As an Eagle guy, I can tell you now that some good notching and good cover from the mountains will save your hide if you're lucky. I happened to note a T-Frog on the 104th and went to intercept the other day, he went low and completely disappeared from the scope - gone. I only happened to find him visually at my 4 o' clock and after a full-burn chase, got a max-range AMRAAM shot at 3nm. I got lucky, but I would definately say that the best methods are not those of escaping the jet, but his radar. The only way I can think to do this is put him on your 3-9 line and go and fast, preferably with some mountains for cover. The fast part is great because when you disappear from the scope, it won't take much time for you to be *anywhere* from his perspective. Just my thoughts, I wouldn't recommend hitting the deck over plains because on MiG-29S driver found out over the weekend that my radar doens't give a single solitary **** what angels you're at if the ground is flat (although it did require some radar-babysitting to work it)

[muamshai]

I usually drive my Su-25 to target area. Get off my plane, and nail those capitalist ground units with my pee shooter :D

[Shaman]

Yes, please turn on your Jammers, I remember how great that was, knowing the route of enemy Su-25Ts, popping up from a ridge, let the EOS give me a nice blip, lock it, and, now comes the best part, I could chose wether to use the R-27ET, R-77, R-73, or the 46kg light Gsh-301 30mm fungun ;) So yes, turn your IR jammers on.

 

P.S. I don't fly online no more, but don't bitch if you get an ET up your tailpipes.

There are 2 jammers in the Su-25T (IR and ECM - just in case there was any confusion there). Of course, you need to carry the jamming pods for ECM jamming. FF has provided a vivid verbal illustration of why ECM jamming is not a good idea without air cover or if there is no immediate surface to air threat. But do the tutorials and learn the autopilot capabilities, as has been suggested. If you're craving more info after that, check out Ironhand's site.

 

http://www.flankertraining.com/ironhand/a2g.htm

 

I believe what FF actually pointed out, is that having your IR jammer on makes you easier to find using EOS sensors.

[S77th-ReOrdain]

Well color me uninformed. You learn something new everyday :).

[Force_Feedback]

I believe what FF actually pointed out, is that having your IR jammer on makes you easier to find using EOS sensors.

 

:) I just don't feel comfortable ruining 10 minutes of somebody's life who was trying his/her best to do a sneaky spproach to kill some tanks. Hence my no online flying. Besides, I'm more the crash landing person, nothing more statisfying than landing a Su-25T (Su-25A is bugged, and will always explode after a minute, ED, FIX IT) with half or both wings missing :) I love Strela-1s, they have this friendly warhead that won't detonate your whole plane on impact.

 

ECM is straightforward, but, seeing from the posts here, some people feel comfortable flying with the IR lamp on the whole time, well, you can as long as your butt if facing away from Su-27s/Mig-29s.

[flask]

I also suggest you buddy up, as soon as whoever gets locked do the notch, with wing following visual trail , suck him into visual range get low,dont jam or chaff till he fire,s and pray your wingman gets a eyeball on him, whilst he,s busy chasing his lock, the wingman can get a chance to take him out.

I find it best to shout "mummy daddy" repeatedly during this does help,

( I tried other sayings like " please dont let him get me Ill be a good boy"

but the first one is for me works best ;)

 

I have often wondered one set of guys flys fighter & the other prefer,s bomber,

apart from the obvious&funnys answers all I can say is It would be a dull day if I flew my 25T without a gagle of fighter jocks just "Gagging" to cream my sorry butt".

also I think its the feeling that I am against insurmoutable odd,s that when I do get a success and rtb(very rare sometimes) the kick is nice,:smilewink:

[SoaringEagle74]

Unless your flying on a dedicated a2g server, flying a bombing mission with no air support is really a one way ticket suicide mission unless you get very lucky. Sooner or latter some a2a jock will spot you and your history.

 

As far as ecm jamming, use it sparingly and only if you suspect some radar emmiter is painting you, whatever that threat may be. Your rwr will provide this info so monitor carefully.

 

IR jamming can be and should be used more often. It's purpose is to prevent ir attacks from the rear. I don't think it provides any protection from frontal ir attacks but I could be wrong. Someone said that ir jamming makes target identification easier for the enemy but I don't think its possible unless the enemy is really close in which case you would be spotted anyway so there is no point in not using it!

 

The best way to defeat a sam system is to go as low as possible. The best way to defeat aaa is to go high. Problems start arising when both are used in a mission and are relatively close together making weapon choice and points of ingression a real challenge. Always study the mission briefing in full detail before taking off...especially when flying online!