TaxDollarsAtWork Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 In this track I attached you can see the N001 in game is unable to perform as described in the Su-27SK manual I used a clean JF-17 in the testing since it has a 3m^2 RCS, the figure used in the manual. I tested the 8500m look up cold Locking and detection in the track The manual states Look up from 8500m COLD (MPRF) 50-55km detection 45-50km lock Look down from 8500m COLD 30 to 40km detection 30 to 35km lock I was only able to lock at about 22 to 25km in my test But I'd imagine other spots are broken as well I remember some issues at the 1000m alt If you have more information feel free to add. N001 poor MPRF.trk 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Unfortunately I’m not where I can download and view your track. Am I correct in assuming that you controlled for the closure rate? It’s been a long time since I last looked at this but I don’t recall it being that far off. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxAlfa Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 Similar issue as Generally, all FC3 suffer in lookdown needlessly since the lookdown range is climbing with the aircraft ------- All the people keep asking for capabilities to be modelled.... I want the limitations to be modelled.... limitations make for realistic simulation. Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a bit you realize the pig likes it. Long time ago in galaxy far far away: https://www.deviantart.com/alfafox/gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmptohocah Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 +1 Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) On 2/19/2021 at 11:17 AM, TaxDollarsAtWork said: In this track I attached you can see the N001 in game is unable to perform as described in the Su-27SK manual I used a clean JF-17 in the testing since it has a 3m^2 RCS, the figure used in the manual. I tested the 8500m look up cold Locking and detection in the track The manual states Look up from 8500m COLD (MPRF) 50-55km detection 45-50km lock Look down from 8500m COLD 30 to 40km detection 30 to 35km lock I was only able to lock at about 22 to 25km in my test But I'd imagine other spots are broken as well I remember some issues at the 1000m alt If you have more information feel free to add. N001 poor MPRF.trk 524.83 kB · 4 downloads Viewing your TRK in which you and the target were roughly co-altitude, detection was lost at a range of 35km; ability to lock was lost at 30km. Using that as a baseline, I flew two other samples with the J-17 1500m above and 1500m below me with my altitude around 9000m. Look Up: Detection lost: 35km Ability to lock lost: 30km Look Down: Detection lost: 23km Ability to lock lost: 21km So all three are definitely very different compared to the ranges cited in the manual. EDIT: Added TRKs. They are sped up, so slow them down if you'd like. N001 Test--J-17 Look Down.trk N001 Test--J-17 Look Up.trk Edited February 21, 2021 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skysurfer Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Try the same with a F16 or Mig-29 - the JF17 can be wonky with RCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 41 minutes ago, Skysurfer said: Try the same with a F16 or Mig-29 - the JF17 can be wonky with RCS. I had also tried it with the F-15 and gained an extra 3km or so. It’s not the -17. 2 YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Why should it be wonky with RCS? It is set in the config to 3 m², there is nothing magical about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 21, 2021 ED Team Share Posted February 21, 2021 Hi all this is already reported internally, however I have no news to share with you at this moment. thanks you 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi all this is already reported internally, however I have no news to share with you at this moment. thanks you OK. Thanks for letting us know. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 Yes there seems to be issues with it everywhere north of 200m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 +1 100th KIAP: https://discord.gg/hnyfbdHdMN 51st PVO: https://discord.gg/R4sYCNrnym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 Issue persist, tested look up MPRF detection at 8500m Lost lock at 30km lost contact at 35km JF17 test 8500m n001 look up.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skysurfer Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Honestly at this point you might wanna contact Deka to at least correct this on the J-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted June 2, 2021 Author Share Posted June 2, 2021 Possibly, not sure they're allowed to change that part of the code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okopanja Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Bump! Is this bug still there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxAlfa Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 7:18 PM, okopanja said: Bump! Is this bug still there? It got fixed 1 ------- All the people keep asking for capabilities to be modelled.... I want the limitations to be modelled.... limitations make for realistic simulation. Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a bit you realize the pig likes it. Long time ago in galaxy far far away: https://www.deviantart.com/alfafox/gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) On 1/7/2022 at 6:19 AM, FoxAlfa said: It got fixed Are you sure? I've been away from DCS for a bit but I reflew my test, the look down cold detection had a nice improvement sure but the look up cold detection was still wrong. I was dropping lock at about 25~30km cold in the look up scenario when it should be at 45~50km Edited January 29, 2022 by TaxDollarsAtWork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted May 22, 2022 Author Share Posted May 22, 2022 Whats the status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 Hi. Can you please attach a track showing the look up/look down issue you're dealing with? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted June 7, 2022 Author Share Posted June 7, 2022 On 6/1/2022 at 2:45 AM, Flappie said: Hi. Can you please attach a track showing the look up/look down issue you're dealing with? I have attached two files In look down from 8500m I lost lock at 25km and lost the bandit at 30 off scope in look up I lost lock at 30km and lost contact at 35km The manual states Look up from 8500m COLD (MPRF) 50-55km detection 45-50km lock Look down from 8500m COLD 30 to 40km detection 30 to 35km lock su27 look down cold high alt.trk su27 look up cold high alt.trk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 Has ED forgotten to look at this again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmptohocah Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Бойовий Сокіл said: FC3 seems to be very low priority. F-15 radar range needs adjustment as well and The Mig-29S with the N019M needs around 15% better detection range too to make it different from the 29A. Wasn't the F-15's radar range already adjusted? Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 On 6/7/2022 at 6:52 PM, TaxDollarsAtWork said: I have attached two files In look down from 8500m I lost lock at 25km and lost the bandit at 30 off scope in look up I lost lock at 30km and lost contact at 35km The manual states Look up from 8500m COLD (MPRF) 50-55km detection 45-50km lock Look down from 8500m COLD 30 to 40km detection 30 to 35km lock su27 look down cold high alt.trk 192.13 kB · 3 downloads su27 look up cold high alt.trk 147.55 kB · 2 downloads @Flappie Any news on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 I bumped the report and added your recent tracks. 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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