correct as is Datalink not switching off

[norman99]

I've posted this in the bugs section, yet it may simply be user error. I cannot get the datalink to remain off. It seems it is activated by the UFC TCN control, not the D/L button.

 

Please see the video below for an example. In the video, both TCN and D/L start off, and no data link aircraft are shown on the SA page. When the TCN is switched on, D/L aircraft become visible on the SA page, even though D/L remain off.

 

 

I hope this help. Cheers.

[Swift.]

So, in a MIDS capable hornet, the MIDS and TACAN are part of the same system. Both are run through the MIDS LVT. This means that power to one system will also power the other system.

 

I'm not 100% convinced, therefore, that this is a bug. The question I have is whether the reverse not being observed is the bug: when you power the MIDS, it doesnt make the TACAN function.

[dorianR666]

48 minutes ago, Swiftwin9s said:

So, in a MIDS capable hornet, the MIDS and TACAN are part of the same system. Both are run through the MIDS LVT. This means that power to one system will also power the other system.

MIDS terminal may be running, but that doesnt necessarily mean datalink symbology should start appearing on pages. Perhaps they shouldnt appear with D/L off.

 

We will need a word from ED I suppose.

[Swift.]

1 hour ago, dorianR666 said:

MIDS terminal may be running, but that doesnt necessarily mean datalink symbology should start appearing on pages. Perhaps they shouldnt appear with D/L off.

 

We will need a word from ED I suppose.

Yeah thats where my  hesitation is coming in, it does seem like something that could be easily 'masked' by OFFing the DL on the UFC.

[AvroLanc]

2 hours ago, dorianR666 said:

MIDS terminal may be running, but that doesnt necessarily mean datalink symbology should start appearing on pages. Perhaps they shouldnt appear with D/L off.

 

We will need a word from ED I suppose.

I think the fact the whole DL log-in process is simplified/non-existent, gives the whole MIDS system a superficial simplicity. 
 

Clearly, in IRL, turning on TCN doesn’t instantly populate all DL functions and symbols. There would be a certain amount of channel configuration etc on the MIDs page, even if most of it comes from the MUMI/data cartridge setup. I’m pretty sure the whole sync process isn’t completely automatic as it is now. We’re missing some procedural steps. 
 

You should be able to isolate the TCN and DL functions. 
 

 

[norman99]

4 hours ago, dorianR666 said:

MIDS terminal may be running, but that doesnt necessarily mean datalink symbology should start appearing on pages. Perhaps they shouldnt appear with D/L off.

That’s what I would have thought too.

 

The reason this really bugs me is I’m trying to improve my radar proficiency, hence I often turn the D/L off. Unfortunately, I’d still like to keep the TCN on, so I can return to the boat easily among other things.

[Harker]

That’s what I would have thought too.
 
The reason this really bugs me is I’m trying to improve my radar proficiency, hence I often turn the D/L off. Unfortunately, I’d still like to keep the TCN on, so I can return to the boat easily among other things.

You can disable MSI from the radar DATA submenu. It'll remove the Link 16 contributions, among other things.

[Jak525]

2 hours ago, Harker said:

10 hours ago, norman99 said:

That’s what I would have thought too.
 
The reason this really bugs me is I’m trying to improve my radar proficiency, hence I often turn the D/L off. Unfortunately, I’d still like to keep the TCN on, so I can return to the boat easily among other things.

You can disable MSI from the radar DATA submenu. It'll remove the Link 16 contributions, among other things.

Just a note, it should be done from the SA format SENSR sublevel (which works right now as far as I know). Although it works right now too, the Attack format "MSI" option is completely incorrectly modeled right now. It, in fact, has no bearing on MSI processing and simply toggles whether trackfiles with non-Radar contribution are displayed as HAFUs on the Attack format in RWS. ED had it more or less right once, then broke it.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Jak525

[norman99]

3 hours ago, Harker said:

12 hours ago, norman99 said:

That’s what I would have thought too.
 
The reason this really bugs me is I’m trying to improve my radar proficiency, hence I often turn the D/L off. Unfortunately, I’d still like to keep the TCN on, so I can return to the boat easily among other things.

You can disable MSI from the radar DATA submenu. It'll remove the Link 16 contributions, among other things.

True, but I’d also have to disable MSI data on the SA page as well, and possibly other locations too. In the end, the UFC D/L on-off function should work, and currently it doesn’t.

[Jak525]

12 minutes ago, norman99 said:

True, but I’d also have to disable MSI data on the SA page as well, and possibly other locations too. In the end, the UFC D/L on-off function should work, and currently it doesn’t.

You should only need to use the SA. The point of the SENSR sublevel is toggle universal contributors to MSI. This is separate from actually disabling D/L (it just tells the computer not to use any L16 info in sensor fused [MSI] trackfiles), and is also separate from the MSI option on the Attack format, which is wrong at the moment but, perhaps confusingly, should not actually toggle any MSI processing (it should just be a display config for the Attack format only, not even the Az/El or SA).

Edited March 7, 2021 by Jak525

[norman99]

Thanks, I’ll do it this way for the time being. Cheers.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all 

 

this is correct as is, as soon as MIDS comes on all the link16 related functions are alive. This is the way it is modelled in DCS

 

Thank you

[norman99]

Interesting.

 

So what exactly is the purpose of the D/L on-off button on the UFC, if D/L is enabled with the MIDS system when the TCN is switched on? Genuine question as I’m interested to know.

[Machalot]

On 3/24/2021 at 1:57 AM, norman99 said:

Interesting.

 

So what exactly is the purpose of the D/L on-off button on the UFC, if D/L is enabled with the MIDS system when the TCN is switched on? Genuine question as I’m interested to know.

Could be vestigial buttons. The F-16 also has a nonfunctional switch for Datalink power. The F-16 DL is controlled by the MIDS knob. 

[Mo410]

So that's how its modelled in the game.  In reality, turning the TCN to on powers the MIDS terminal but leaves it in essentially a standby state.  Turning the DL to on will allow you to access a populated MIDS page in order to select the net you want, enter the time and date, as well as a few other setting prior to net entry.  All of this admin is not modelled and you are in Fine Alignment as soon as you turn it on (which is a blessing in some ways).  Side note, setting a channel to 127 actually disables that channel (voice A set to 127 will turn off voice A, same as F/F1 etc.)  Turning off the TCN should not turn off Link-16, as there are times you need to turn the TACAN off occasionally.  Both need to be selected to off to remove power prior to shutdown.