3000GTPRO Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Starting a mission with AGM-88's Loaded the Bullseye in the lower left corner of the HUD is missing. The only way to get the Bullseye back is to remove the HARM's but as soon as you load them again, the Bullseye disappears again. Track file and DXDIAG attached. Doesn't crash the game so not attached the crash log. Cheers SEAD Loadout no Bulls on hud.trk DxDiag.txt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3000GTPRO Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 Sorry @BIGNEWY I forgot about a mod I have. Heres another TRK File with no mods. SEAD Loadout no Bulls on hud_V2.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 25, 2021 ED Team Share Posted April 25, 2021 Hi, thanks for the track, but based on the information we have this is correct as is. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3000GTPRO Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 Ok no worries, thanks for letting me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Is this correct for the other weapons, CBU-105, GBU-38? that there is no bullseye info on the HUD when they are selected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEOMOOSE Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 hours ago, Furiz said: Is this correct for the other weapons, CBU-105, GBU-38? that there is no bullseye info on the HUD when they are selected? No its not! You should never lose bullseye information. I was gonna ask the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Teomo said: No its not! You should never lose bullseye information. I was gonna ask the same thing. Are you sure? cause honestly I'm trying to find a hood footage in CCRP mode with bullseye and so far I can't, altho it does feel like its really missing there. Maybe Im looking at the wrong versions of HUD and maybe not... no idea. That's why I asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEOMOOSE Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) On 9/1/2021 at 4:27 PM, Furiz said: Are you sure? cause honestly I'm trying to find a hood footage in CCRP mode with bullseye and so far I can't, altho it does feel like its really missing there. Maybe Im looking at the wrong versions of HUD and maybe not... no idea. That's why I asked. I can accept the fact that you may lose B/E information on the HUD when you are in A/G mode, but when you switch back to A/A it should reappear. This issue is also present when you carry any smart bombs. Edited September 22, 2021 by Teomo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Yes, no bullseye stays when I go back to Nav or AA mode, but when I switch weapons to LGB bullseye info reappears. If I then, with LGB selected, switch to Nav or AA bullseye is there on the HUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvroLanc Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) This modelled wrong, no doubt about it. The HUD bullseye information should display whenever the FCR is active in an AA mode. This is from multiple RL docs. So we shouldn’t see it in any AG mode, but the type of weapon carried, HARM, JDAM, dumb bomb etc is TOTALLY irrelevant. ED seem to think it’s related to carrying IAM bombs, or HARM, but that’s wrong. Edited September 26, 2021 by AvroLanc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) The HUD element is called Window 15. The same information is displayed on the A-13 window of the HMCS. It displays: TRP trapped fuel warning message FUEL available prediction at destination (HOME mode) FUEL warning message Bullseye bearing and range (Bullseye mode enabled) blank (Bullseye mode disabled, no other warning/info of higher priority) I believe that is the priority order top to bottom. I'm not 100% sure about the two fuel ones might be reversed. Bullseye is selected/deselected on the ICP LIST, 0 M-SEL (MISC), 8 FIX paged named BULL of the DED. There might be particular AG pages which don't show BE info when it's on or not but NAV and AA HUD displays should show BE provided the option is on. Carriage of HARM or not does not affect NAV/AA HUD display at all. It's perfectly possible for a manual diagram to not show a certain feature because it's turned off at that moment. I've seen diagrams of MRM HUD without BE info at window 15 but it's shown as a triplet with FCR/SMS and it's clear by the "W" waterline symbol on FCR/SMS that BE option is turned off. Edited September 26, 2021 by Frederf 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) @BIGNEWY For example if you carry HARM, or some other GPS guided weapon and turn them ON, exit AG mode and go AA mode, when you press WPN page you will see HARM WPN page. Same happens with GPS guided weapons. I mean they show WPN page OFF but I guess they stay selected and thus they give you no BE info on the HUD. If GBU-12 are selected BE info will be shown in both Nav and AA modes. F-16 Bulleye info.trk Edited October 2, 2021 by Furiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantFalcon Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Normally, after enabling the Bullseye option in the BULL page, your position relative to Bullseye should be displaying on the bottom left of the HUD, similarly to how it is displayed on the HSD and FCR pages. This works fine with most weapons loaded in all the different master modes. However with HARMs, JDAMs, JSOWs or WCMDs loaded the ownership bullseye position will not show up on the HUD, regardless of the master mode. Tracks show an air start F-16 enabling the Bullseye option and cycling through the different master modes. The AMRAAM track displays the normal situation, with the other 4 showing the situation with their respective weapons loaded. Reproducing the bug is as simple as loading up any of these 4 weapon types and enabling the Bullseye option in the BULL page. Game version is: 2.7.7.15038 Open Beta F16_bulls_bug_AMRAAM.trk F16_bulls_bug_HARM.trk F16_bulls_bug_JDAM.trk F16_bulls_bug_JSOW.trk F16_bulls_bug_WCMD.trk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) This has been reported before and was marked as correct. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want bullseye info on the HUD but <shrug> Search function is useful to see if things have been reported before. Edited October 28, 2021 by Deano87 Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 28, 2021 ED Team Share Posted October 28, 2021 I will check with the team again 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieutenantFalcon Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Deano87 said: Search function is useful to see if things have been reported before. It's an older bug report and it doesn't include all the weapons that cause the bug. I got directed here from the discord as I was told it hadn't yet been reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 28, 2021 ED Team Share Posted October 28, 2021 there is no harm asking and checking issues. thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 28, 2021 ED Team Share Posted October 28, 2021 I have checked with the team, this is correct as is, if you have information that shows it is incorrect please DM me. I will merge with the other thread, thanks Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) @BIGNEWY Found something from HAS Viper, it is block 52+, so not the same as ours I know, it shows PRE on the HUD, dont know which weapon, then when the pilot changes to NAV Bullseye info pops up on the HUD. 17:29 in this video Ill keep looking for more, I know its not the same block as ours, but there is a chance that this was the same with block 50 M4.2+. Edited October 29, 2021 by Furiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 It's still nonsense. Having an AGM-88 in SMS inventory doesn't change how NAV master mode displays on the HUD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherBlue Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 From what I have gathered from people whose work on these aircraft IRL. If the aircraft is equipped with any INS A2G weapons the Bulls info is not displayed on the Hud for de cluttering in any master mode. And it is accurate as it is now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frederf Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Crazy, hard to believe window 15 could be considered clutter. All INS weapons is certainly more convincing than HARM and only HARM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignition Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) Clutter in the hud for carry some weapons? I can't believe hiding something so important than own position for only carrying some weapons, and in every mode?. During evasive maneuvers you need to look away from the hud, down to a mfd to see where you are. It makes no sense. Edited November 2, 2021 by Ignition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CypherBlue Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 16 hours ago, Ignition said: Clutter in the hud for carry some weapons? I can't believe hiding something so important than own position for only carrying some weapons, and in every mode?. During evasive maneuvers you need to look away from the hud, down to a mfd to see where you are. It makes no sense. This is how it is in the real aircraft, if you have a complaint you can send it to Lockheed Martin, I am sure they would love to hear your feedback on their systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furiz Posted November 3, 2021 Share Posted November 3, 2021 12 hours ago, CypherBlue said: This is how it is in the real aircraft. And you know this how? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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