"Musical tone" in engine sounds

[Nealius]

Crossing my fingers for some default sounds that are better than the Echo19 offering

[Raviar]

17 hours ago, fat creason said:

Just wanted to let everyone know I'm currently in the middle of a complete re-do of all engine sounds (internal and external for A and B, using some new tricks learned from the F-4 and brand new/improved audio samples as well as many completely new layered sounds like intake howls, etc.

really appreciate it

[fat creason]

19 hours ago, Nealius said:

Crossing my fingers for some default sounds that are better than the Echo19 offering

If you still want to use sound mods like Echo19 after this, I have failed. All they can do is change out audio samples and modify sdef files, we can do much more in the code. They also seem to focus on F3 view at the expense of all other external view modes, which leaves a lot to be desired IMO.

Edited May 9, 2024 by fat creason

[Uxi]

Improvements are always good... though going to take a bit to get used to new sounds again. 

[Blinde]

So, what do you think about the new F-14 sounds? There's some good but also some bad ones in the new mix. Afterburner sound is pretty weak and the old afterburner lead in just sounds wrong now.

[Viper33]

1 hour ago, Blinde said:

So, what do you think about the new F-14 sounds? There's some good but also some bad ones in the new mix. Afterburner sound is pretty weak and the old afterburner lead in just sounds wrong now.

You can hear people talking faintly in the background. I checked the sound files and it seems like they used airshow videos for most of them.

[fat creason]

I think the build ED pushed is not the newest one we have. I had many more changes that didn't seem to make it. 

43 minutes ago, Viper33 said:

You can hear people talking faintly in the background. I checked the sound files and it seems like they used airshow videos for most of them.

What situation can you hear people talking? (camera view type, power setting, airspeed, distance from camera, aspect, etc)

EDIT: was just informed there's some kind of sound bug with the new Airboss stuff that may be the talking you're hearing. If you're positive it's not that, let me know what audio file you think it is. I'm fairly sure none of the audio files have crap like that.

Edited July 11, 2024 by fat creason

[WarthogOsl]

23 hours ago, fat creason said:

I think the build ED pushed is not the newest one we have. I had many more changes that didn't seem to make it. 

What situation can you hear people talking? (camera view type, power setting, airspeed, distance from camera, aspect, etc)

EDIT: was just informed there's some kind of sound bug with the new Airboss stuff that may be the talking you're hearing. If you're positive it's not that, let me know what audio file you think it is. I'm fairly sure none of the audio files have crap like that.

 

Yeah, we were talking about it on the HB Discord as well.  It appears with other airplanes, and even persists to new sessions, apparently.  I saw one report that it could be triggered by simply calling "Tomcat Ball" to the Supercarrier.

[Blinde]

Apparently the new fixed sounds didn't made it to the new patch?

[Viper33]

Did a qucik test and the sound mixing is really bad still. In the aft section of the jet all you hear is wind noise from the exhaust even in ground idle. This is not the case in real life and you generally hear a very similar tone in the fron and in the back, with slightly moreintake specific pitch infront. Other modules get this right. 

[Blinde]

14 hours ago, Viper33 said:

Did a qucik test and the sound mixing is really bad still. In the aft section of the jet all you hear is wind noise from the exhaust even in ground idle. This is not the case in real life and you generally hear a very similar tone in the fron and in the back, with slightly moreintake specific pitch infront. Other modules get this right. 

I really wonder how hard is it to accomplish this. Other modules have pretty decent sounds and at least you clearly hear difference when the canopy is open and not. It works with the Phantom also.

Edited July 23, 2024 by Blinde

[Viper33]

6 hours ago, Blinde said:

I really wonder how hard is it to accomplish this. Other modules have pretty decent sounds and at least you clearly hear difference when the canopy is open and not. It works with the Phantom also.

 

Tomcat is clearly on the backburner.

[RustBelt]

It’s been 5 years. How long are people realistically assuming the life span of these $70 modules is? Ignoring the Sales gimmick of “early access” which these days just means Forever dev.
 

At this point the bulk of the money to be made off the F-14 has been collected and spent. And this is only a semi-full time dev team with 2 other released products, and 2 more on deck. 

Edited July 23, 2024 by RustBelt

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, RustBelt said:

It’s been 5 years. How long are people realistically assuming the life span of these $70 modules is?

We're assuming it'll be updated and fixed as long as DCS is running.

[RustBelt]

I feel like that’s economically unrealistic for only a one time $70 purchase. And certainly nothing anyone was promised at purchase. 

[draconus]

2 minutes ago, RustBelt said:

I feel like that’s economically unrealistic for only a one time $70 purchase.

It's not my business. We were told it works like that so we expect exactly that.

[RustBelt]

Just now, draconus said:

It's not my business. We were told it works like that so we expect exactly that.

I mean but “expect” right? Like adult you knows it’s not REALLY going to work that way and never was right?
 

Maintenance to the DCS updates yes, but remastering to match the newest modules in perpetuity? you’re just playing “the letter of the law” with those expectations right?

[draconus]

1 hour ago, RustBelt said:

Maintenance to the DCS updates yes, but remastering to match the newest modules in perpetuity?

Wait? What? I don't ask for any remastering. Just bug fixing, maintenance and delivering the promised features.

[RustBelt]

59 minutes ago, draconus said:

Wait? What? I don't ask for any remastering. Just bug fixing, maintenance and delivering the promised features.

I mean, redoing sounds is remastering. So is remaking the whole model to include stuff like Glove Vanes and removable fuel pylons and the litany of other little “hey howabouts” that actually reflect major reworks due to how DCS does things. Same too fully retrofitting Jester 2.0. 

[draconus]

6 hours ago, RustBelt said:

I mean, redoing sounds is remastering. So is remaking the whole model to include stuff like Glove Vanes and removable fuel pylons and the litany of other little “hey howabouts” that actually reflect major reworks due to how DCS does things. Same too fully retrofitting Jester 2.0. 

Yes, they did some remastering, to remove placeholders, as afterthought, when they reconsidered what was omitted earlier, sometimes on their own, sometimes as a wish list item every module has. Only charge I heard was about B(U) or D model.

[Nightdare]

21 hours ago, RustBelt said:

I feel like that’s economically unrealistic for only a one time $70 purchase. And certainly nothing anyone was promised at purchase. 

 

1 time purchase by 1 person, you seem to forget these modules are not a limited in number or in time offering, but can be sold for a long time to a lot of new customers as long as the engine supports the module

 

I bought the F-14 early this year, almost 5 years after pre-release

[Blinde]

I don't care about the actual price and promises. I expect that the sounds are made properly and doesn't have bugs and shortcomings like it now has.

Sounds are pretty important part on simulation.

[RustBelt]

On 7/24/2024 at 2:32 PM, Nightdare said:

 

1 time purchase by 1 person, you seem to forget these modules are not a limited in number or in time offering, but can be sold for a long time to a lot of new customers as long as the engine supports the module

 

I bought the F-14 early this year, almost 5 years after pre-release

I mean, there’s been some Rumor screenshots that imply it was a $500,000 project. With off the top from credit cards and ED thats 7,000 buyers just to break even. 
 

it’s probably a rounded up budget number. But, it’s not a Windows 11 level install base or anything. 

5 hours ago, Blinde said:

I don't care about the actual price and promises. I expect that the sounds are made properly and doesn't have bugs and shortcomings like it now has.

Sounds are pretty important part on simulation.

At what point is the product just the product though? Granted it is still in EA so it’s still in the oven, but at 5 years on the street that’s getting a little silly. They’ll have ended up putting the lions share of a whole other module into the  90-100% polish for something that will maybe get another year or two before DCS has the next major breaks everything upgrade. 

[Nightdare]

3 hours ago, RustBelt said:

I mean, there’s been some Rumor screenshots that imply it was a $500,000 project. With off the top from credit cards and ED thats 7,000 buyers just to break even. 

 

Just 7000 licenses? It's the F-14, I wouldn't be surprised if they sold double that item by now

And keep in mind, software needs almost no resources or distribution today, once you break even, it's a profit profit margin most other goods manufacturers can only dream about

[Q3ark]

What are you lot going on about? The sounds are screwed up because (below) people getting irate as hell around these message boards lately.

On 7/11/2024 at 10:58 PM, fat creason said:

I think the build ED pushed is not the newest one we have. I had many more changes that didn't seem to make it. 

What situation can you hear people talking? (camera view type, power setting, airspeed, distance from camera, aspect, etc)

EDIT: was just informed there's some kind of sound bug with the new Airboss stuff that may be the talking you're hearing. If you're positive it's not that, let me know what audio file you think it is. I'm fairly sure none of the audio files have crap like that.