sirrah Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) I was wondering if anyone else noticed/experienced this: After approximately 10 hours of use (recieved my Rotor TCS plus Base + ALPHA-L grip 2 weeks ago), I noticed today that my collective was slowly "falling" down when I released it. At some point it even went from about 75% up, to all the way down, in the time that I needed to raise the Hind landing gear lever.. (resulting in me dying in a ball of flames) So, after only about 10 hours of use, today I had to increase tension to the force adjustment screw: It concerns me slightly, that this is already needed after such a small period of usage. Anyone else having similar experience with this? Edited August 28, 2021 by sirrah 1 System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA_Clutter Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) I'll keep an eye out. So far I probably only have about 1.5 hours of usage time. And yes, that would be concerning. Hopefully it is some type of break in phenomena Edited August 29, 2021 by AKA_Clutter ---------------- AKA_Clutter Win 10 Pro, Intel i7 8700k @4.6 GHz, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW, Ultra 64 GB G.Skill DDR4 3600 RAM, Acer 27" flat screen, Oculus Rift S, HP Reverb G2, CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Rudder Pedals HOTAS, TM Warthog HOTAS, MFG Rudder Pedals, TrackIR 5 Pro w/Vector Expansion, PointCTRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apar Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 @sirrah You should post this of VPC forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Apar said: @sirrah You should post this of VPC forums I did only one reply so far, from someone that had to increase tension after only a few hours use.. System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zcaa0g Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) I wish the base was designed more like the K-51 collective. The whole unit base needs a casing around it and where the collective pivot point is secured on both sides and the cables are connected to the casing instead of the collective itself. Hopefully we get more input from others to see if your problem is an anomaly or part of a bigger problem. I'm sure we'll see multiple revisions like Virpil's past products, but that doesn't help the early adopters. Edited August 29, 2021 by zcaa0g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 17 hours ago, zcaa0g said: I wish the base was designed more like the K-51 collective. The whole unit base needs a casing around it and where the collective pivot point is secured on both sides and the cables are connected to the casing instead of the collective itself. Hopefully we get more input from others to see if your problem is an anomaly or part of a bigger problem. I'm sure we'll see multiple revisions like Virpil's past products, but that doesn't help the early adopters. Well in case of a flawed design (which is really much to early to conclude now), I kinda assume VIRPIL will sent out free of charge replacement/repair parts if really needed. (I mean, this hardware is really expensive and should be in proportion with its life span) System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalfrezi Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Not had this problem with mine and I'm probably over 20 hours use, it's possible I may have had a higher tension to start with though. 1 Intel Core i9 9900K 5.0GHz · Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER · Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO · Alienware 34" AW3418DW · Corsair 2TB M.2 NVMe · 64Gb Corsair Vengeance 3200MHz DDR4 · Windows 10 · TM HOTAS Warthog · VPC ACE-2 Rudder Pedals · VPC V.F.X Grip · VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip · Virpil WarBRD base · HP Reverb Pro · 3x TM MFD · Buddy-Fox A-10 UFC · 2x LG Throttle Quadrants · LG Switch Panel · LG Multi Panel · LG Radio Panel · Buttkicker Gamer & JetSeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The LT Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I have to retighten my CM2 stick all the time, every 5-7 hours of flight. So its probably "by design". My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 9 hours ago, The LT said: I have to retighten my CM2 stick all the time, every 5-7 hours of flight. So its probably "by design". Ah ok I haven't investigated how this friction screw works exactly, but as long as it can be tightened pretty much "indefinitely" there's no issue I guess System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The LT Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Ah ok I haven't investigated how this friction screw works exactly, but as long as it can be tightened pretty much "indefinitely" there's no issue I guess It most probably can, although I have no experience with the collective yet My controls & seat Main controls: , BRD-N v4 Flightstick (Kreml C5 controller), TM Warthog Throttle (Kreml F3 controller), BRD-F2 Restyling Bf-109 Pedals w. damper, TrackIR5, Gametrix KW-908 (integrated into RAV4 seat) Stick grips: Thrustmaster Warthog Thrustmaster Cougar (x2) Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS BRD KG13 Standby controls: BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller) BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller) Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle Pilot seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA_Clutter Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Stupid question. I haven't tried to adjust the friction setting on the collective yet. There are two screws; top and bottom. Do you adjust both in the same directions (KI assume "rightly tighty, lefty loosey) and by the same amount (number of turns? ---------------- AKA_Clutter Win 10 Pro, Intel i7 8700k @4.6 GHz, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW, Ultra 64 GB G.Skill DDR4 3600 RAM, Acer 27" flat screen, Oculus Rift S, HP Reverb G2, CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Rudder Pedals HOTAS, TM Warthog HOTAS, MFG Rudder Pedals, TrackIR 5 Pro w/Vector Expansion, PointCTRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC_Official Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 14 hours ago, AKA_Clutter said: Stupid question. I haven't tried to adjust the friction setting on the collective yet. There are two screws; top and bottom. Do you adjust both in the same directions (KI assume "rightly tighty, lefty loosey) and by the same amount (number of turns? If you adjust it in turns you better have beefy arms, tweaking mine quarter turn was about right (on both) No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKA_Clutter Posted September 11, 2021 Share Posted September 11, 2021 I'm up to about 12-14 hours use and so far (knocking on wood) have not had to readjust the friction settings. I recently changed to the 40% cam so will see if that cahnges anything. I wouldn't thing so but ,... ... ... ---------------- AKA_Clutter Win 10 Pro, Intel i7 8700k @4.6 GHz, EVGA RTX 3080 FTW, Ultra 64 GB G.Skill DDR4 3600 RAM, Acer 27" flat screen, Oculus Rift S, HP Reverb G2, CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Rudder Pedals HOTAS, TM Warthog HOTAS, MFG Rudder Pedals, TrackIR 5 Pro w/Vector Expansion, PointCTRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98abaile Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I've had to adjust it once. I adjusted it when I first got it to be just on the point of falling down. Then a couple of days later when the temperature cooled it got loose and I had to tighten it again. Frankly I had expected this anyway and consider it a design limitation; it's why I went with virpil over VKB in the firstplace all those years ago: I hate dry clutches, they're a stupid design that introduce sticktion. Thankfully I have a 3D printer, so at some point I'll be looking to add a counter weight (probably a side plate replacement) to take some of the load off the clutch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 19 hours ago, 98abaile said: I've had to adjust it once. I adjusted it when I first got it to be just on the point of falling down. Then a couple of days later when the temperature cooled it got loose and I had to tighten it again. Frankly I had expected this anyway and consider it a design limitation; it's why I went with virpil over VKB in the firstplace all those years ago: I hate dry clutches, they're a stupid design that introduce sticktion. Thankfully I have a 3D printer, so at some point I'll be looking to add a counter weight (probably a side plate replacement) to take some of the load off the clutch. Just out of interest, did you try VKB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98abaile Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/13/2021 at 6:47 AM, admiki said: Just out of interest, did you try VKB? No, as I said I bought the virpil because the VKB because it had a dry clutch in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 OK. Just saying that maybe you should have tried it first before dissing it out. With Nyogel 767A it is awesome. And BTW, you can loosen dry clutches completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordoceltic Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 $5 imaginary dollars says this is actually break in phenomena which is why they included the set screw to adjust it. Its completely normal for metal on metal parts to have higher friction when brand new before they wear the contact faces in to match with each other. keep an eye on things and contact Virpil if you have future problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC_Official Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 You will have to do this every so often as it will "work loose/wear" and start to flop a bit No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC_Official Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 8:17 AM, admiki said: OK. Just saying that maybe you should have tried it first before dissing it out. With Nyogel 767A it is awesome. And BTW, you can loosen dry clutches completely IS this stuff safe to use on Nylon ? No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admiki Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, HC_Official said: IS this stuff safe to use on Nylon ? IDK. I've been using it for 6 months or so, but people have been using it for years now with no bad effects. Even if it does increase wear and tear, clutches are expendable anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 (edited) On 8/28/2021 at 4:50 PM, sirrah said: I was wondering if anyone else noticed/experienced this: After approximately 10 hours of use (recieved my Rotor TCS plus Base + ALPHA-L grip 2 weeks ago), I noticed today that my collective was slowly "falling" down when I released it. At some point it even went from about 75% up, to all the way down, in the time that I needed to raise the Hind landing gear lever.. (resulting in me dying in a ball of flames) So, after only about 10 hours of use, today I had to increase tension to the force adjustment screw: It concerns me slightly, that this is already needed after such a small period of usage. Anyone else having similar experience with this? Hi, Yesterday I got the base and grip, I haven't mounted it yet, but I noticed exactly the same. The collective lever drops by itself under its own weight. However, what I see in the manual is not only twisting this one screw, like you did in your post, but two, at the top and at the bottom, like on the picture below. As you tighten the Grip it gets even heavier. https://support.virpil.com/en/support/solutions/articles/47001181950-vpc-rotor-tcs-base-user-manual However, inmy opinion, there should be a sprocket there (inside), because in fact it can fall down on its own after some time. When flying a helicopter, the controls must be very precise and nothing can even twitch here! Can you give a link where is your topic on the Virpil forum about it? Edited December 10, 2021 by YoYo Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirrah Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, YoYo said: Hi, Yesterday I got the base and grip, I haven't mounted it yet, but I noticed exactly the same. The collective lever drops by itself under its own weight. However, what I see in the manual is not only twisting this one screw, like you did in your post, but two, at the top and at the bottom, like on the picture below. As you tighten the Grip it gets even heavier. https://support.virpil.com/en/support/solutions/articles/47001181950-vpc-rotor-tcs-base-user-manual However, inmy opinion, there should be a sprocket there (inside), because in fact it can fall down on its own after some time. When flying a helicopter, the controls must be very precise and nothing can even twitch here! Can you give a link where is your topic on the Virpil forum about it? Here's my post on the Virpil website https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/4707-had-to-increase-tension-on-my-tcs-base-plus-after-just-10-hours-use/ I have to say though, that I haven't had to adjust tension ever since. So it might just have been a "new" thing System specs: i7-8700K @stock speed - GTX 1080TI @ stock speed - AsRock Extreme4 Z370 - 32GB DDR4 @3GHz- 500GB SSD - 2TB nvme - 650W PSU HP Reverb G1 v2 - Saitek Pro pedals - TM Warthog HOTAS - TM F/A-18 Grip - TM Cougar HOTAS (NN-Dan mod) & (throttle standalone mod) - VIRPIL VPC Rotor TCS Plus with ALPHA-L grip - Pointctrl & aux banks <-- must have for VR users!! - Andre's SimShaker Jetpad - Fully adjustable DIY playseat - VA+VAICOM ~ That nuke might not have been the best of ideas, Sir... the enemy is furious ~ GUMMBAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, sirrah said: Here's my post on the Virpil website https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/4707-had-to-increase-tension-on-my-tcs-base-plus-after-just-10-hours-use/ I have to say though, that I haven't had to adjust tension ever since. So it might just have been a "new" thing This is good news, because I got a little scared. I also bought a UH-60 grip (for Apache ) so the whole end is quite heavy. Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC_Official Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Owned one of these for 3 months now, you will be adjusting this every 2 weeks or so with daily use No more pre-orders Click here for tutorials for using Virpil Hardware and Software Click here for Virpil Flight equipment dimensions and pictures. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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