Why the WW2 modules progress are too slow?

[StevanJ]

7 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Wind your neck in Romeo - truth is you have ZERO experience in developing a DCS module of any kind so your judgement is frankly immaterial.

 

If you've been around the WW2 community long enough you'll know that even with the Allied aircraft there can be holes in the evidential/data set (P-47 wind tunnel data anyone?); with regards to those for Luftwaffe types some of those gaps are even bigger, particularly as there seems to be a lottery as to what was and wasn't committed to ashes by the Nazis from the Luftwaffe records as the Allied forces closed in. Sometimes we got lucky and found gems, at other times we can only guess or have hearsay and anecdotal reports on a particular detail.

 

Ultimately, if you want to see the Me 262 completed why don't you go to the German Military Archives, spend hours and hours reaming through reports to see which one's might be relevant and then pay out of your personal funds to get electronic copies made on the off chance it might help....?

 

 

Relax..

 

Module or not, We should have at least the Model as an AI in the assets..

 

[Silver_Dragon]

39 minutes ago, iFoxRomeo said:

Just to make it clear:

P-51D-25 and Fw190D-9 are original ED projects. Both are not from the KS project.

 

Researching for 7+ years for a certainly unclassified module is...yeah...interesting. Meanwhile ...F/A-18C, F-16C, AH-64D...

 

 

I have put ALL WW2 projects, ED, 3rd parties and KS.... not sure what is the problem.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Silver_Dragon

[rkk01]

Confused…

 

I thought WW2 was regarded as one of the better fleshed out aspects of DCSW…

 

It is a sandbox sim, not a full theatre… it’s about the aircraft first and foremost.  There’s also a pretty good set of ground assets in the WW2 Asset Pack, although granted we’d all like to see a few more of our personal favourite AI aircraft and naval units.

 

Very excited about the forthcoming Mossie, and hope the Corsair isn’t too far behind

[greco.bernardi]

11 minutes ago, rkk01 said:

Confused…

 

I thought WW2 was regarded as one of the better fleshed out aspects of DCSW…

 

It is a sandbox sim, not a full theatre… it’s about the aircraft first and foremost.  There’s also a pretty good set of ground assets in the WW2 Asset Pack, although granted we’d all like to see a few more of our personal favourite AI aircraft and naval units.

 

Very excited about the forthcoming Mossie, and hope the Corsair isn’t too far behind

You are right... You are confused. DCS is a digital COMBAT simulator.

Sorry by the joke. 

 

I think this is not about a favorite aircraft. Its more about AI planes and some another things that still missing and without information for long time.

By the way, Its very nice to have the Mossie as module.

[Krupi]

 

43 minutes ago, rkk01 said:

Confused…

 

I thought WW2 was regarded as one of the better fleshed out aspects of DCSW…

 

That really isn't saying a lot unfortunately. 

 

Why can't it be a full theatre? 

 

Personally I think the Asset Pack still needs a lot of work, specifically in terms of AI aircraft. 

 

Regarding aircraft we still need at least a G6, early and late versions preferable. 

 

Other aircraft that would be great to have:

A luftwaffe twin, Ju88 or perhaps a Me410. (Perhaps this isn't feasible)

P-38

Spitfire MkXIV if we can't get a Tempest 

P-47 Razorback 

P-51 B

 

And we are desperately in need of WWII navigation system on both sides, which apparently will be coming. 

Edited September 6, 2021 by Krupi

[rkk01]

16 minutes ago, greco.bernardi said:

You are right... You are confused. DCS is a digital COMBAT simulator.

Sorry by the joke. 

 

I think this is not about a favorite aircraft. Its more about AI planes and some another things that still missing and without information for long time.

By the way, Its very nice to have the Mossie as module.

It’s a Flight Sim…

 

Probably the best available to us civvies, but it is a flight sim.

 

Yes, the marketing spiel talks of the digital battlefield and land, sea and air assets, but to my way of thinking those elements are there to add depth to the flying.  Essentially DCS is a very good FM and systems model sim of specific aircraft.  ED staff posts on here also give the opinion (my error if misinterpreted) that DCS is about simulating interesting aircraft - with the caveat that the supporting detailed data is available

 

Re Krupi’s post, I’m very keen to see an expanded WW2 plane and ship set.  Wish lists for this and that reflect that community excitement for the subject matter - but with so many weapons systems fielded and constant evolution of those in service, it’s never going to happen if never going to be complete…

 

So, a sandbox, in which we have a steadily growing number of the best and (hopefully) most representative toys to play with

[iFoxRomeo]

40 minutes ago, DD_Fenrir said:

Wind your neck in Romeo - truth is you have ZERO experience in developing a DCS module of any kind so your judgement is frankly immaterial.

 

If you've been around the WW2 community long enough you'll know that even with the Allied aircraft there can be holes in the evidential/data set (P-47 wind tunnel data anyone?); with regards to those for Luftwaffe types some of those gaps are even bigger, particularly as there seems to be a lottery as to what was and wasn't committed to ashes by the Nazis from the Luftwaffe records as the Allied forces closed in. Sometimes we got lucky and found gems, at other times we can only guess or have hearsay and anecdotal reports on a particular detail.

 

Ultimately, if you want to see the Me 262 completed why don't you go to the German Military Archives, spend hours and hours reaming through reports to see which one's might be relevant and then pay out of your personal funds to get electronic copies made on the off chance it might help....?

 

I'm not selling DCS modules and I'm not paid by ED, so why should I do this job?

Till now I haven't heard ED ask the community for help in gathering information about the 262 despite searching for 7 years.

Well, actually I'll try to get in contact with the Messerschmitt-Stiftung, but it is still closed to the public. And the German airforce museum is also on my to-do list.

And actually I am gathering data about the 262. It's not a lot, but if ED asks for information I'd be willing to share what I have found so far, if they say what they need.

I'm perfectly aware that missing data is to be expected. I made a post about it in the 262 thread.

 

So you know the truth...?

I will wind my neck out as long as I like. You don't like other people to suggest you to play other games, so perhaps you should then refrain from showing similar behaviour?!

So only those who made a DCS module can have a material judgement?

 

Look, in case you have not heard a interview with Nineline, where he tells about a situation with Nick.

"NL: What about the 262?"

"Nick: I really like the Hellcat!".

 

Since Igor unfortunately died in 2018, Nick got more involved and changed some priorities. It's the same Nick who also said that they "...had to do some german stuff and whatnot..." after adoring the Spitfire and Mustang for minutes and minutes. Ask Dietrich. Even Nineline had to revert his statements about the 262 that "it is coming", when Kate said in Q4/2020 that the 262 is "not in the works".

They managed to get data for the F/A-18, F-16 and AH-64 but the 262, which was even privately rebuilt in the early 2000years (5 aircraft iirc) and given serial numbers by the Messerschmitt foundation, is such a tough nut? Really?

 

Everything put together tells me that they, and especially Nick, don't want the 262. I can be wrong of course. I hope I am wrong, but it doesn't seem so(for me).

And considering this, how is the PTO even an option for ED, when there is next to zero information available for the Zero and co.

Hellcats vs. Corsairs then?

 

 

29 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

 

I have put ALL WW2 projects, ED, 3rd parties and KS.... not sure what is the problem.

 

People tend to confuse this. The P-51 and especially the D9 are original ED projects and not from the KS. I'm sure that, if the KS campaign hadn't happened, then the DCS WWII section would probably look very differently to what it is now.

I think of the Korean birds. They made two contemporary aircraft Sabre vs. MiG --> P-51 vs Fw190D9 and next to zero period correct ai assets for them. The KS campaign somewhat forced ED to commit more to the WWII theatre than they actually planned at that time. Why else would they let someone else do the WWII aircraft(back in 2013)?

[Callsign112]

5 hours ago, StevanJ said:

Calls DCS 'best Value SIM', Waits to buys modules cheaper in DCS Sale ..



Anyone that spends more than a couple of the weeks in the TF51, has obviously gone on holiday and left his game running.

Players numbers are available if you look for them.

Im going by the player numbers that are available, and by the amount of posts that have been made in the forum.

As i said, The SU25 is awesome. But there is nothing 'As Awesome' for the WW2 game, so im guessing with the complaints made recently towards WW2, ED are going to drop a better module than the TF51. Theyve said theyll be dropping more assets for the Marianas WW2 Map, so ill wait and see if it happens.
 

Did we hit a nerve

 

What does me waiting for the next sale have to do with the value DCS World offers as a SIM? And speaking of value, you forgot to mention that the Su-25T is free after repeating how awesome it is. Which other full featured SIM offers 3 free maps and 2 free planes? The fact that you bought your last plane during a sale Stevan has no connection with the excellent value DCS offers as a SIM. I will be very happy if ED throws everyone another free fully modeled plane, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.

 

And the Mustang trainer is an excellent bit of kit. Some people just like flying around Stevan. And anyone just starting out especially if they are not really familiar with flying could easily spend several weeks getting proficient at just the basics. I know, I was one of them. Its a tail dragger man!

 

And I can't disagree more with your opinion that there is nothing as awesome as the Su-25 for WWII. There is in fact in no specific order the Mustang, the K4, the A8, the Spit, the D9, the P47, the I-16, and soon to be the Mosquito.

 

Just to clarify though, the next time you give everyone you insight on what sells, whats on development, and which modules have been abandoned, we can understand that your reference is the amount of posts made on the forum? Good to know. I thought you had some kind of inside track, that is why I asked. So as far as you and I both know, ED could have sold hundreds of WWII modules during the last sale, and the order modules get developed could be a completely different issue.

 

But I'm with you on the assets thing brother. According to a previous posts, ED is planning assets for both the Marianas and Europe, while Magnitude 3 might be including some Pacific assets with its Corsair. @Silver_Dragon also mentioned that the 262 is still on the table and there might be another plane in the works from OctopusG. So if all of that materializes, we could see a good boost in assets and 3 more planes in addition to the Mosquito. 

[Callsign112]

13 minutes ago, iFoxRomeo said:

And considering this, how is the PTO even an option for ED, when there is next to zero information available for the Zero and co.

Hellcats vs. Corsairs then?

 

 

 

I think it will probably be more like Hellcats and Corsairs vs A8's in disguise.

[StevanJ]

6 hours ago, Callsign112 said:

Did we hit a nerve

 

What does me waiting for the next sale have to do with the value DCS World offers as a SIM? And speaking of value, you forgot to mention that the Su-25T is free after repeating how awesome it is. Which other full featured SIM offers 3 free maps and 2 free planes? The fact that you bought your last plane during a sale Stevan has no connection with the excellent value DCS offers as a SIM. I will be very happy if ED throws everyone another free fully modeled plane, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.

 

And the Mustang trainer is an excellent bit of kit. Some people just like flying around Stevan. And anyone just starting out especially if they are not really familiar with flying could easily spend several weeks getting proficient at just the basics. I know, I was one of them. Its a tail dragger man!

 

And I can't disagree more with your opinion that there is nothing as awesome as the Su-25 for WWII. There is in fact in no specific order the Mustang, the K4, the A8, the Spit, the D9, the P47, the I-16, and soon to be the Mosquito.

 

Just to clarify though, the next time you give everyone you insight on what sells, whats on development, and which modules have been abandoned, we can understand that your reference is the amount of posts made on the forum? Good to know. I thought you had some kind of inside track, that is why I asked. So as far as you and I both know, ED could have sold hundreds of WWII modules during the last sale, and the order modules get developed could be a completely different issue.

 

But I'm with you on the assets thing brother. According to a previous posts, ED is planning assets for both the Marianas and Europe, while Magnitude 3 might be including some Pacific assets with its Corsair. @Silver_Dragon also mentioned that the 262 is still on the table and there might be another plane in the works from OctopusG. So if all of that materializes, we could see a good boost in assets and 3 more planes in addition to the Mosquito. 

I dont think you know what that means, No- You didnt hit a nerve.

Youre suggesting something is 'good value' then waiting for the value to drop before making a purchase..

I dont mind you reading my posts, but please pay attention to them, especially where i talk about how the SU25 is playable..
 

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we cant expect the awesome SU25 to be playable, and live with the TF51 for much longer.

For a guy that actively stalks me, you also know i make campaigns and missions for the modules i love, and have been an active participant for the Dora. So please stop trying to put non existing words in my mouth.

Buy a phone, when it stops being sold it gets abandoned, then the support stops. This basic premise has been around since the dawn of electronics. Beccause of the business model we have, we cannot expect ED to put money into modules that dont sell, That would be the equivalent of Nokia trying to keep the 3310 going..
By actively looking at which modules are constantly updated, we can gauge which modules are selling well, and gauge which modules arent..
Its business basics.. You dont flog a dead horse..

Relax, and maybe find someone else to argue with.

Edited September 7, 2021 by StevanJ

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all, 

 

I have replied in the thread to explain why the progress seems slow, and the OP's question has been answered. 

 

thank you