now available When's black-shark 3 coming?

[3WA]

Lol!  "2 weeks".  I've been waiting for 10 years for igla's on the Shark.

Hopefully they arrive before I leap into my grave.

Edited August 26, 2022 by 3WA

[Hammer1-1]

I recall refreshing the apache thing since 2008.

[iyhan_spb]

10 hours ago, 3WA said:

Lol!  "2 weeks".  I've been waiting for 10 years for igla's on the Shark.

Hopefully they arrive before I leap into my grave.

 

I think it is time for us all to choose a healthy lifestyle. ED's 2 weeks can will be long....

[Avimimus]

On 8/26/2022 at 6:12 PM, Hammer1-1 said:

I recall refreshing the apache thing since 2008.

Hind too... part of that original announcement. Both are out now though.

[Hammer1-1]

17 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Hind too... part of that original announcement. Both are out now though.

Out, yes...complete? No.

[Avimimus]

16 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Out, yes...complete? No.

Admittedly... they are probably much more detailed and complete than what was planned in 2008.

That said, it was pretty disappointing in 2012... to gradually have to admit they weren't coming (although never officially cancelled). Just had to wait another ten years... makes waiting a year or two for completion of a early access release seem like a flash honestly.

[Hammer1-1]

9 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Admittedly... they are probably much more detailed and complete than what was planned in 2008.

That said, it was pretty disappointing in 2012... to gradually have to admit they weren't coming (although never officially cancelled). Just had to wait another ten years... makes waiting a year or two for completion of a early access release seem like a flash honestly.

In 2008 it was going to be an A model Apache. I recall them asking for NSN numbers for the manuals that were in circulation, and that was the first Ive heard of it.

[dr.barber]

Excuse me but I still do not understand extensively what BS3 consists of. Is there any official ED communication about it?

[3WA]

So far, from what I can gather on the different forums - new 3 pylon wings, igla's, improved model, everything else up in the air because of Russian laws (i.e we probably won't get the other stuff ).

[okopanja]

Longer INS, less precise

[WarbossPetross]

10 часов назад, okopanja сказал:

Longer INS, less precise

Yeah, and it would actually degrade now, don't know if it even does that at the moment. Which makes me wonder, will we be able to correct the INS with satellite data from ABRIS? I guess we should be able to type in the correct position every now and then.

[okopanja]

3 hours ago, WarbossPetross said:

Yeah, and it would actually degrade now, don't know if it even does that at the moment. Which makes me wonder, will we be able to correct the INS with satellite data from ABRIS? I guess we should be able to type in the correct position every now and then.

I expect we will be able to use ABRIS or overflown steer points.

[MAXsenna]

8 hours ago, WarbossPetross said:

Yeah, and it would actually degrade now, don't know if it even does that at the moment. Which makes me wonder, will we be able to correct the INS with satellite data from ABRIS? I guess we should be able to type in the correct position every now and then.

It will probably ne multiple ways. IIRC you can even use the SHKVAL.

[okopanja]

39 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

It will probably ne multiple ways. IIRC you can even use the SHKVAL.

Actually I meant shkval.

[MAXsenna]

3 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Actually I meant shkval.

[Ramstein]

they are too busy working on this (LOL)

[BaD CrC]

Paul Cornu and the first flying helicopter! (adding some context to the picture )

 

[Fastbreak]

14 hours ago, Ramstein said:

they are too busy working on this (LOL)

So true - and, if anything, mortifying for them ... !

[3WA]

What I REALLY want to see, is a Shkval that actually "see's" by contrast.  Air targets should be able to easily be seen then.

You can't hit CRAP in the air right now.  Air targets will simply not lock.

[Flappie]

On 9/10/2022 at 3:01 AM, 3WA said:

What I REALLY want to see, is a Shkval that actually "see's" by contrast.  Air targets should be able to easily be seen then.

Here you go.

Kamov vs Huey.trk

[Blackjack_UK]

On 9/7/2022 at 10:46 PM, 3WA said:

So far, from what I can gather on the different forums - new 3 pylon wings, igla's, improved model, everything else up in the air because of Russian laws (i.e we probably won't get the other stuff ).

In fairness it will also (hopefully) include fixes for the things that are currently broken (Shkval locking, Shkval wandering off on its own...) and will also (probably) introduce some new and exciting bugs because stuff happens... 

[xfirf]

I would like to get a "early-access" like release where they deliver the new features step by step.

[Avimimus]

Moment of truth coming.

We'll see if they let us load less than six Vikhr per hardpoint (similar to the Apache)

We'll also see if they've improved the Shkval (honestly, I'd be happy about it losing lock or wandering sometimes - but only if it was realistic and due to contrast limitations - rather than a bug). IMHO, perfectly locking a vehicle through trees is also a bit flawed. Anyway, we'll see if there are any improvements to the squall!

[Beirut]

12 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Moment of truth coming.

We'll see if they let us load less than six Vikhr per hardpoint (similar to the Apache)

 

 

I'd like to see that as well. Mostly I'd like to see more weapons selection. I want those 1x12.7 + 2x7.62 pods like on the Mi-24. Would also like to see more unguided heavy rockets. 4x S-24 for example. 

 

I'm as hot and heavy for the BS3 as the F-15E, maybe more. Really want to see that improved eye candy. 

[Avimimus]

8 hours ago, Beirut said:

I'd like to see that as well. Mostly I'd like to see more weapons selection. I want those 1x12.7 + 2x7.62 pods like on the Mi-24. Would also like to see more unguided heavy rockets. 4x S-24 for example. 

I know those were offered as possible export integrations (along with the R-73). I doubt it happened though. I remember I did once mod in the S-24 for the Ka-50 (it was alright I suppose - but that was years ago).

At least with the Igla hardpoints those were offered for the Ka-50-2 and integrated into the Ka-52... so we have an idea of how the wings would work/look with them.

The Ugroza (S-8Kor & S-13Kor) might be more plausible (guided rockets, like the APKWS). However, there is limited evidence of them entering production over the last twenty years (which makes it a bit harder to sell).