Hot rearming

[Raviar]

As per title, it is frustrating to turn off the AC for refueling and rearming, would be great if ED can add the functionality 

[henshao]

afaik you can refuel with the engines running, just not rearm. so a trick is to shut off the engines and only rearm, THEN fire up engines and begin long process of refuel

[Badger1-1]

On 1/20/2022 at 4:49 PM, Raviar said:

As per title, it is frustrating to turn off the AC for refueling and rearming, would be great if ED can add the functionality 

+1

[MAXsenna]

On 3/25/2022 at 1:35 AM, henshao said:

afaik you can refuel with the engines running, just not rearm. so a trick is to shut off the engines and only rearm, THEN fire up engines and begin long process of refuel

Oh! Thank you for this tip! I use VAICOM, so I can refuel without bringing the armament screen up, this should mean that I can start refueling while the engines spool down, to save time. Gonna test this! Thanks again!

[MAXsenna]

14 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Oh! Thank you for this tip! I use VAICOM, so I can refuel without bringing the armament screen up, this should mean that I can start refueling while the engines spool down, to save time. Gonna test this! Thanks again!

Can confirm. With VAICOM you can HOT refuel.

[NuII]

+1

[Maverick Su-35S]

Coming up with new payware products is always more appealing than fixing/correcting problems left behind that should be ignored! And after the new stuff comes up, the excuse of not having time (interest) in fixing old issues grows ever more!

Edited December 5, 2023 by Maverick Su-35S

[85th_Maverick]

It's just nice that at least they've added the ability to refuel with engines running! It's a small but good step forward.

Would it be possible, I ask the ED team regarding this same subject, to please make it possible to also rearm with engines running at idle only (not higher rpm) as it happens with all other DCS modules, including with planes like the MB339, L-39, F-18, F-16, F-14, F-15E, Harrier, M-2000, JF-17 which don't seem to pose a danger to the weapons loading personnel on the ground and not get sucked in the engines, if this would be an answer to why the Su-25s alone are being simulated to not be able to rearm with engines running. BTW, regarding the danger of getting sucked into an engine, that would mostly be possible when the engine is at quite high rpm, as it happened in reality on an aircraft carrier when someone got just below the intake of an A-6 Intruder when the engine was coincidentally also already revved up at full thrust setting. So, the only reason why the FC3 aircraft aren't able to rearm so far with the engines at idle is because they've been programmed that way from the beginning.

Please, if you want, also try to re-code the rearming of FC3 aircraft to be able for that when the engines are running, at least at no more than idle. Having to wait until the engines reach exactly below 5%, which also takes quite some time is a nuisance. Having to repair, which requires exactly 0% is even more of it, as on a Su-25T it can take quite double the time it takes from idle to 5%.

[paco2002]

On 5/15/2024 at 1:14 PM, 85th_Maverick said:

It's just nice that at least they've added the ability to refuel with engines running! It's a small but good step forward.

Would it be possible, I ask the ED team regarding this same subject, to please make it possible to also rearm with engines running at idle only (not higher rpm) as it happens with all other DCS modules, including with planes like the MB339, L-39, F-18, F-16, F-14, F-15E, Harrier, M-2000, JF-17 which don't seem to pose a danger to the weapons loading personnel on the ground and not get sucked in the engines, if this would be an answer to why the Su-25s alone are being simulated to not be able to rearm with engines running. BTW, regarding the danger of getting sucked into an engine, that would mostly be possible when the engine is at quite high rpm, as it happened in reality on an aircraft carrier when someone got just below the intake of an A-6 Intruder when the engine was coincidentally also already revved up at full thrust setting. So, the only reason why the FC3 aircraft aren't able to rearm so far with the engines at idle is because they've been programmed that way from the beginning.

Please, if you want, also try to re-code the rearming of FC3 aircraft to be able for that when the engines are running, at least at no more than idle. Having to wait until the engines reach exactly below 5%, which also takes quite some time is a nuisance. Having to repair, which requires exactly 0% is even more of it, as on a Su-25T it can take quite double the time it takes from idle to 5%.

Just a quick note, you can refuel FC3 aircrafts with engines running

[draconus]

17 hours ago, paco2002 said:

Just a quick note, you can refuel FC3 aircrafts with engines running

You're replying to a guy that just said "It's just nice that at least they've added the ability to refuel with engines running!" and simply asks for hot rearming.

[paco2002]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

You're replying to a guy that just said "It's just nice that at least they've added the ability to refuel with engines running!" and simply asks for hot rearming.

Lol, I was reading the complete opposite, my bad

[Pavlin_33]

On 5/15/2024 at 1:14 PM, 85th_Maverick said:

It's just nice that at least they've added the ability to refuel with engines running! It's a small but good step forward.

Would it be possible, I ask the ED team regarding this same subject, to please make it possible to also rearm with engines running at idle only (not higher rpm) as it happens with all other DCS modules, including with planes like the MB339, L-39, F-18, F-16, F-14, F-15E, Harrier, M-2000, JF-17 which don't seem to pose a danger to the weapons loading personnel on the ground and not get sucked in the engines, if this would be an answer to why the Su-25s alone are being simulated to not be able to rearm with engines running. BTW, regarding the danger of getting sucked into an engine, that would mostly be possible when the engine is at quite high rpm, as it happened in reality on an aircraft carrier when someone got just below the intake of an A-6 Intruder when the engine was coincidentally also already revved up at full thrust setting. So, the only reason why the FC3 aircraft aren't able to rearm so far with the engines at idle is because they've been programmed that way from the beginning.

Please, if you want, also try to re-code the rearming of FC3 aircraft to be able for that when the engines are running, at least at no more than idle. Having to wait until the engines reach exactly below 5%, which also takes quite some time is a nuisance. Having to repair, which requires exactly 0% is even more of it, as on a Su-25T it can take quite double the time it takes from idle to 5%.

Wasn't it below 10%?

[Recluse]

Interestingly, I found recently I can Rearm the F-5E FC with the engines running!!

[MAXsenna]

4 hours ago, Recluse said:

Interestingly, I found recently I can Rearm the F-5E FC with the engines running!!

Probably because it's a toned down FF module.

Could probably be re-coded for other FC modules then.  

I think I can hot refuel FC modules with VAICOM. Can't remember. 

[Recluse]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Probably because it's a toned down FF module.

Could probably be re-coded for other FC modules then.  

I think I can hot refuel FC modules with VAICOM. Can't remember. 

I am pretty sure I can hot refuel FC modules (Flankers/Eagle), just get the CANNOT COMPLY on Re-arming. I haven't tried the F-86 or the MIg-15 to see if the "Toned Down FF modules can Hot Rearm" holds true for all of them.

 

EDIT:  YES, IT APPEARS TO HOLD TRUE!  F-86 FC AND MIG-15BIS FC CAN REARM HOT.

Edited October 15, 2024 by Recluse

[draconus]

Last night I tried, I couldn't hot refuel F-15C - that's with the usual comms menu Rearm & Refuel and changing only fuel slider.

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

Last night I tried, I couldn't hot refuel F-15C - that's with the usual comms menu Rearm & Refuel and changing only fuel slider.

I was gonna test, but DCS stopped liking my computer or something. Was fine yesterday, today it won't start done all kinds of test, troubleshooting and repairs. Taking a break. With VAICOM we don't use the radio menu for refueling, hence we don't use the rearming screen. Why ED never implemented it in the radio menu, I have no idea, but it works. 

[Recluse]

4 hours ago, draconus said:

Last night I tried, I couldn't hot refuel F-15C - that's with the usual comms menu Rearm & Refuel and changing only fuel slider.

Interesting. I just tried it and it worked.  Started with a HOT jet at 100% fuel, went to the COMMS menu Rearm/Refuel and moved the slider down to 85% and it adjusted. Then I asked for 100 and it went back up. Got the UNABLE TO COMPLY for Re-arming as usual, but heard "COPY" for refueling and it did change Fuel Qty.

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Recluse said:

Interesting. I just tried it and it worked.  Started with a HOT jet at 100% fuel, went to the COMMS menu Rearm/Refuel and moved the slider down to 85% and it adjusted. Then I asked for 100 and it went back up. Got the UNABLE TO COMPLY for Re-arming as usual, but heard "COPY" for refueling and it did change Fuel Qty.

Interesting, I used Take Off, Instant Action, Nevada and started comms without moving the aircraft, just from the runway (maybe this?), got only UNABLE TO COMPLY.

Edited October 15, 2024 by draconus

[Recluse]

Just tried it on the same mission and it worked..

 

 

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